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Posted: 3/9/2011 3:20:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 3:21:20 PM EST by Caboose314]
I found this on another website and thought that people here would be interested in seeing these stats.



The Format is:
[Name of aircraft] Air-to-air kills - Air-to-air losses - Losses to ground fire

[Name of conflict aircraft was used in] (Nation that used aircraft in said conflict) Air-to-air kills - Air-to-air losses - Losses to ground fire

Aircraft which were destroyed on the ground are not included in this analysis, because any plane can get destroyed on the ground no matter how good it or its pilot is.

F-16 Falcon 76-1-5
Gulf War (USA) 0-0-3
No-Fly Zones (USA) 2-0-0
Bosnia (USA) 4-0-1
Kosovo (USA) 1-0-1
Kosovo (Netherlands) 1-0-0
Kosovo (Portugal, Belgium, Denmark, Turkey) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (USA, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway) 0-0-0
Iraq (USA) 0-0-0
Syrian border clashes 1979-1986 (Israel) 6-0-0
Operation Opera (Israel) 0-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 44-0-0
Lebanon War (2006) (Israel) 3-0-0
Intifada (2000-present) (Israel) 0-0-0
Soviet-Afghan War (Pakistan) 10-0-0
Border clashes (Pakistan) 1-0-0
Kargil War (Pakistan) 0-0-0
Northwest border wars (Pakistan) 0-0-0
Aegean Sea clashes (Turkey) 1-1-0
Venezuelan Coup 1992 (Venezuela) 3-0-0

F-15A/C/I/S Eagle 102-0-0
Gulf War (USA) 32-0-0
Gulf War (Saudi Arabia) 2-0-0
Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Desert Fox (USA) 2-0-0
Bosnia (USA) 0-0-0
Kosovo (USA) 4-0-0
Afghanistan (USA) 0-0-0
Iraq (USA) 0-0-0
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Operation Opera (Israel) 0-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0
Lebanon War (2006) (Israel) 0-0-0
Iran Gulf Clash 1984 (Saudi Arabia) 1-0-0

F-15E Strike Eagle 1-0-3
Gulf War (USA) 1-0-2
Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Desert Fox (USA) 0-0-0
Bosnia (USA) 0-0-0
Kosovo (USA) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (USA) 0-0-0
Iraq War (USA) 0-0-1
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 0-0-0
Lebanon War (2006) (Israel) 0-0-0
Yemen Border Clashes (Saudi Arabia) 0-0-0

F/A-18 Hornet 2-1-1
Gulf of Sidra 1986 (USA) 0-0-0
Gulf War (USA) 2-1-1
Gulf War (Canada) 0-0-0
Kosovo (USA) 0-0-0
Kosovo (Spain) 0-0-0
Kosovo (Canada) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (USA, Australia) 0-0-0
Iraq (USA, Australia) 0-0-0

F/A-18E/F/G Super Hornet 0-0-0
NFZs (USA) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (USA) 0-0-0
Iraq (USA) 0-0-0

F-14 Tomcat 135-4-4
Vietnam (1975) (USA) 0-0-0
Gulf of Sidra (USA) (1980) 2-0-0
Lebanon 1983 (USA) 0-0-0
Gulf of Sidra (1986) 0-0-0
Gulf of Sidra (1989) 2-0-0
Gulf War (USA) 1-0-1
Iraq NFZs (USA) 0-0-0
Bosnia (USA) 0-0-0
Kosovo (USA) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (USA) 0-0-0
Iraq (USA) 0-0-0
Iran-Iraq War (Iran) 130-4-4

F-4 Phantom 306-106-545
Vietnam War (US Navy) 40-7-66
Vietnam War (USMC) 3-1-74
Vietnam War (USAF) 108-33-337
Desert Storm (USAF) 0-0-1
NFZs (Turkey) 0-0-0
Soviet border clash 1976 (Iran) 1-0-0
Dhofar War (Iran) 0-0-1
Kurdish rebellion (Iran) 0-0-1
Iran-Iraq War (Iran) 68-29-33
Iran Gulf Clash 1984 (Iran) 0-1-0
Kurdish Civil War (Iran) 0-0-1
War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22
Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Israel) 4-3-1
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 1-1-1
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 0-0-2

Mirage 2000 1-0-1
Gulf War (France, UAE) 0-0-0
Bosnia (France) 0-0-1
Kosovo (France) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (France) 0-0-0
Aegean Sea 1996 (Greece) 1-0-0
Kargil War (India) 0-0-0
Alto-Cenapa War (Peru) 0-0-0

Sea Harrier 21-0-3
Falklands War (UK) 21-0-2
Gulf War (UK) 0-0-0
Bosnia (UK) 0-0-1
Kosovo (UK) 0-0-0
Sierra Leone 2000 (UK) 0-0-0
Iraq War (UK) 0-0-0

Mirage F.1 24-43-20
Chadian-Libyan War (France) 0-0-0
Afghanistan (France) 0-0-0
Paquisha War (Ecuador) 0-0-0
Alto-Cenapa War (Equador) 2-0-0
Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 15-35-11?
Gulf War (Iraq) 0-8-0
Gulf War (Kuwait) 3 (possibly 12)-0-0
Western Saharan War (Morocco) 0-0-7
Angola Border War (South Africa) 4-0-2
Aegean Sea clashes (Greece) 0-1-0

Rafale 0-0-0
Afghanistan (France) 0-0-0

Tornado ADV 0-0-0
Gulf War (UK, Saudi Arabia) 0-0-0
NFZs (UK) 0-0-0
Kosovo (Italy) 0-0-0
Iraq War (UK) 0-0-0

JF-17 Thunder 0-0-0
Waziristan War/NW Pakistan campaigns (Pakistan) 0-0-0

J-7 1-0-0
Sudanese Civil War (Sudan) 0-0-0
Uganda-Tanzania War (Tanzania) 0-0-0
Sri Lankan Civil War (Sri Lanka) 1-0-0

MiG-21 240-501-[too little information for an accurate count of losses to ground fire]
Vietnam War (North Vietnam) 78-95-0
Vietnam War (North Korea) 1-0-0
Vietnam War (USSR) 6-0-0
1967 border clashes (Syria) 0-7-0
Six-Day War (Egypt) 5-13-
Six-Day War (Syria) 0-7-
Six-Day War (Iraq) 0-1-
War of Attrition (Syria) 7-56
War of Attrition (USSR) 0-5-0
War of Attrition (Egypt) 18-93
Yom Kippur War (Syria) 30-26
Yom Kippur War (Egypt) 26-65
Yom Kippur War (Iraq) 1-9
Egypt-Libya Border War (Egypt) 6-1
Soviet-Iranian border clashes (USSR) 1-0-0
Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 5-26
Lebanon War 1982 (Syria) 2-38
Turkish border violation 1986 (Syria) 1-0-0
Ogaden War (Somalia) 1-6
Angola Bush War (Angola) 1-3
Congo Civil War (Zaire) 0-0-0
Congo Civil War (Angola) 0-0-1
Uganda-Tanzania War (Uganda) 0-0-1
Uganda-Tanzania War (Tanzania) 0-0-1
Mozambique Civil War (Mozambique) 1-0-0
Sudanese Civil War (Sudan) 0-0-3
Somali Civil War (Somalia) 0-0-0
Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 0-3
Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 32-40
Gulf War (Iraq) 0-4-0
Indo-Pakistani War 1965 (India) 0-0-
Indo-Pakistani War 1971 (India) 6-1-
Kargil War (India) 0-0-1
Soviet-Afghan War (Afghanistan) 0-4
Atlantique Incident 1999 (India) 1-0-0
Afghan Civil War 1992-1996 (United Front) 4-0-
Afghan Civil War 1992-1996 (Dostum-Gulbuddin Militia) 0-2-
Abkhazian War (Georgia) 0-0-0
Nagorno-Karabakh War (Azerbaijan) 0-0-6
Nagorno-Karabakh War (Armenia) 0-0-1
1986 Cuban border incursion (Cuba) 1-0-0
Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0
Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 1-0-7
Croatian War (Croatia) 0-0-1
Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0
Kosovo (Serbia) 1-0-0
Balloon shootdown (Belarus) 1-0-0
1966 US China border violation 1-0-0
1963 US Czech border violation 1-0-0
Korean DMZ (North Korea) 1-0-0
Sa'dah Insurgency (Yemen) 0-0-1

MiG-23 25-102-[too little information for an accurate count of losses to ground fire]
Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 3-2-0
Lebanon War 1982 (Syria) 1-30-
Israeli UAV shootdown 2002 (Syria) 1-0-0
Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 16-56
Gulf War (Iraq) 0-8-0
NFZs (Iraq) 0-1-0
Gulf of Sidra 1989 (Libya) 0-2-0
Egypt-Libya Border War (Libya) 0-2
Soviet-Afghan War (USSR) 0-3
Iran-Afghan border violations (USSR) 4-0-0
Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 0-1
Angola Bush War (Cuba) 0-0-0

MiG-25 8-8-1
War of Attrition 0-0-0
Yom Kippur War 0-0-0
Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 0-2-0
Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 5-1-0
Syrian-Iraqi border violation (1986) (Iraq) 1-0-0
Soviet-Iranian border violations (1986-87) (USSR) 0-2-0
Gulf War (Iraq) 1-2-0
NFZs (Iraq) 1-1-0
Nagorno-Karabakh War (Azerbaijan) 0-0-1

MiG-29 6-18-1
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0
Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0
Transnistra War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0
Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0
Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0
Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0
Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0
Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0
Kargil War (India) 0-0-0
Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0
Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0
Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1

Su-27 6-0-2
Abkhazia War (Russia) 0-0-1
First Chechen War (Russia) 1-0-0
South Ossetia War (Russia) 0-0-0
Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 5-0-0
Somali Civil War (Ethiopia) 0-0-0
Angolan Civil War (Angola) 0-0-1

F-5 Freedom Fighter/Tiger 25-23-30
Vietnam War (USA) 0-0-1
Vietnam War (South Vietnam) ?-?-?
Vietnamese-Cambodia War (Vietnam) ?-?-?
Ogaden War (Ethiopia) 7-0-2
Yom Kippur War (Morocco) 0-0-0
Iran-Iraq War (Iran) 18-23-12
Western Saharan War (Morocco) 0-0-14
Yemen Border Clashes 1979 (Taiwan) ?-?-?
Gulf War (Saudi Arabia) 0-0-1

Fighters that have yet to see combat: F-22 Raptor, Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, Ching-Kuo, J-10, Saeqeh, Azarakhsh, MiG-31, Su-30, Su-33, Su-35.


Note: I don't claim these numbers to be perfect, but they should be pretty accurate.

The Iranian F-14 numbers look exaggerated.


It would be interesting to hear from US pilots comparing the air-2-air fighting abilities of the F-16, F-15, F-18, Eurofighter, Su-27 etc etc.

Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:22:12 PM EST
Ah yeah, my favorite bird of all time, the F-15 has NEVER lost a dog fight.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:25:18 PM EST
A shit ton of Mig 21's were shot down.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:26:39 PM EST
I wonder what the troubles in Libya will do to these numbers, the rebels have shot down a number of decent jets.

Kharn

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:28:01 PM EST
F-15 Fucks Flies Like A Beast
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:31:39 PM EST
DAMN!!! the Ethiopians are undefeated in the air with the F-5....whoodathunkit....cool info.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:36:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 3:37:26 PM EST by Fatbert]

Originally Posted By Caboose314:




Yemen Border Clashes 1979 (Taiwan) ?-?-?


Anybody know what's going on here?

Also - I thought that the Cubans had at least one air to air kill in Angola against SAAF Mirages.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:39:56 PM EST
Those stats tell me more about the training of said pilots than the quality of their aircraft... although that quality cannot be dismissed in any realm.


Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:44:31 PM EST
I didn't know that the F18 had such a limited number of engagements. Or so many misses, perhaps.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:45:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By L2Free:
Those stats tell me more about the training of said pilots than the quality of their aircraft... although that quality cannot be dismissed in any realm.




I agree with that.

The thing that caught my by surprise at first was the F-18, but thinking about it I imagine in recent conflicts the Air Force has taken the air supremacy role while the F-18s were used as strike aircraft. One was lost to a SAM and the other rumored to have been shot down by a Mig-25.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:47:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Ah yeah, my favorite bird of all time, the F-15 has NEVER lost a dog fight.


Because it hasn't ever gone up against a real threat.

Most of their kills are against MIG-21s, MIG-23s, at best stripped down MIG-29s.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 3:56:47 PM EST
Okay... What's with the North Korean MiG in the Vietmam war?

TR85.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:02:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
Okay... What's with the North Korean MiG in the Vietmam war?

TR85.


North Korea sent a few fighters to support North Vietnam. We had a couple hundred thousand South Koreans on our side, is this so surprising?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:05:07 PM EST
Military Olympics for the win.
I'll spring for the pay per view.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:05:12 PM EST
One thing that is kind of misleading about the F-16's stats is that one A-A loss.

That loss occurred when a Turkish pilot and a Grecian pilot got really hot at each other and started shooting.

They were both flying F-16s. So the one A-A loss of an F-16 was to....another F-16. Properly speaking, that
loss should be put in a special category and not counted in the main tally.

If you were to do this, then the F-16 also shares a perfect A-A combat record with the F-15.


CJ
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:06:51 PM EST
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:08:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By omega62:
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.


The F-4 is ugly? wtf?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:10:52 PM EST
The F-4 looks very purposeful. And very powerful. It looks like what Superman would look like if he were plane.

The F-4 is a very macho looking plane. But it's not graceful and elegant like an F-16 in clean configuration, which is
curvaceous and sexy...rather female looking, as aircraft go.

The F-4 is not beautiful. It's ruggedly handsome.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:11:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
DAMN!!! the Ethiopians are undefeated in the air with the F-5....whoodathunkit....cool info.


Modified F-5 with extremely thin cross section.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:12:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By omega62:
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.


The F-4 is ugly? wtf?


Yes.

One of our nicknames for her was "Double Ugly" in fact.

(Along with the "Rhino" and "the Saint Louis Slugger").

Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:20:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By omega62:
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By omega62:
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.


The F-4 is ugly? wtf?


Yes.

One of our nicknames for her was "Double Ugly" in fact.

(Along with the "Rhino" and "the Saint Louis Slugger").



she's a sexy beast to me...
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:22:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By R_Fury:
A shit ton of Mig 21's were shot down.


Wonder how many were export "monkey" models?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:27:42 PM EST
I thought the MIG 25 Foxbat was more of a high altitude recon plane.
Apparently they were in air to air combat and didn't fare too well. Also a ground fire loss.
Am I thinking of the right plane?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:28:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
The F-4 looks very purposeful. And very powerful. It looks like what Superman would look like if he were plane.

The F-4 is a very macho looking plane. But it's not graceful and elegant like an F-16 in clean configuration, which is
curvaceous and sexy...rather female looking, as aircraft go.

The F-4 is not beautiful. It's ruggedly handsome.


Yeah, but it's track record in Vietnam wasn't too good.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:30:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By xylo:
I thought the MIG 25 Foxbat was more of a high altitude recon plane.
Apparently they were in air to air combat and didn't fare too well. Also a ground fire loss.
Am I thinking of the right plane?

the MiG-25 was a high altitude interceptor but there was also a recon version...
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:34:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By xylo:
I thought the MIG 25 Foxbat was more of a high altitude recon plane.
Apparently they were in air to air combat and didn't fare too well. Also a ground fire loss.
Am I thinking of the right plane?


A Mig-25 may have accounted for the 1 A2A F-18 loss.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:37:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Ah yeah, my favorite bird of all time, the F-15 has NEVER lost a dog fight.
Hasn't lost a real dog fight, but I know of a bunch that have lost simulated dogfights!
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:38:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 4:48:41 PM EST by 2A373]
Proud Eagle Keeper here!




These account for 10 of the 15 kills.


Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:42:07 PM EST
Do the air to ground losses include Patriot blue-on-blue incidents?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:42:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 4:44:12 PM EST by Caboose314]
Originally Posted By 2A373:
Proud Eagle Keeper here!





These account for 10 of the 15 kills.




Fixed it for you

ETA; maybe not.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:44:27 PM EST
I'm curious about all the combat kills of the Mig-29s.

Lybia has already lost from my understanding 1 Su-24 and 1 Mirage to ground fire thus far.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:46:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By R_Fury:
A shit ton of Mig 21's were shot down.


Yup, says a lot about the Soviet Union's clients.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:46:51 PM EST
Where is the Mirage III?

The Israelis scored tons of kills with them in the 6 Day War and the Yom Kippur War.

Their pilots really thought highly of them.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:48:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gator:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
The F-4 looks very purposeful. And very powerful. It looks like what Superman would look like if he were plane.

The F-4 is a very macho looking plane. But it's not graceful and elegant like an F-16 in clean configuration, which is
curvaceous and sexy...rather female looking, as aircraft go.

The F-4 is not beautiful. It's ruggedly handsome.


Yeah, but it's track record in Vietnam wasn't too good.


Didn't the F8U actually record a better Kill Ratio?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:49:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cromlech:
F-15 Fucks Flies Like A Beast


Well, their opposition would probably think 'Fucks' is appropriate.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:50:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By omega62:
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.


The F-4 is ugly? wtf?


America's proof to the world. With enough thrust, even a brick will fly.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:50:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 4:51:35 PM EST by 2A373]
Originally Posted By Caboose314:
Originally Posted By 2A373:
Proud Eagle Keeper here!


http://img88.imageshack.us/f/aim7mf15c.jpg/


These account for 10 of the 15 kills.


http://img59.imageshack.us/i/f1520israel.jpg/

Fixed it for you

ETA; maybe not.


Fucking Imageshack went and changed it to where you have to signup to direct link to pics now. Had to reset my password on my account to fix them.

Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:53:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By L2Free:
Those stats tell me more about the training of said pilots than the quality of their aircraft... although that quality cannot be dismissed in any realm.



Tactics, Intel, there are a lot of factors that have helped. The whole package is why we have had such great success since VN.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:57:53 PM EST
Needs more Mirage III and Kfir
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 4:57:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 4:59:20 PM EST by sporter]
Originally Posted By Gator:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
The F-4 looks very purposeful. And very powerful. It looks like what Superman would look like if he were plane.

The F-4 is a very macho looking plane. But it's not graceful and elegant like an F-16 in clean configuration, which is
curvaceous and sexy...rather female looking, as aircraft go.

The F-4 is not beautiful. It's ruggedly handsome.


Yeah, but it's track record in Vietnam wasn't too good.


That's cause it was fucking Vietnam...SAM's and Migs everywhere.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:02:13 PM EST
I always love seeing the stats on the Sea Harrier


"but its not supersonic, its not this, its not that ......"



dumbasses
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:07:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 5:11:56 PM EST by cgrant26]
Originally Posted By omega62:
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By omega62:
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.


The F-4 is ugly? wtf?


Yes.

One of our nicknames for her was "Double Ugly" in fact.

(Along with the "Rhino" and "the Saint Louis Slugger").


I like Bug and Turkey for 2 of our other great birds.

Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:09:18 PM EST
Boy, I'd hate to be the lead salesman at
"Ex-Soviet fighters and more"!

Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:15:11 PM EST
F-4 Phantom
War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22



F-15A/C/I/S Eagle
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0




Has the IDF improved that much or is this an indication of how much the mighty F-4 sucks as a fighter compared to the F-15?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:16:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By 2A373:
F-4 Phantom
War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22



F-15A/C/I/S Eagle
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0




Has the IDF improved that much or is this an indication of how much the mighty F-4 sucks as a fighter compared to the F-15?


I think you know better than that. Two different eras of air power.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:17:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By 2A373:
F-4 Phantom
War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22



F-15A/C/I/S Eagle
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0




Has the IDF improved that much or is this an indication of how much the mighty F-4 sucks as a fighter compared to the F-15?



Wasn't the war of attrition and yom kippur war fought against near peer adversaries at the time?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:19:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By 2A373:
F-4 Phantom
War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22



F-15A/C/I/S Eagle
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0




Has the IDF improved that much or is this an indication of how much the mighty F-4 sucks as a fighter compared to the F-15?


I think it has more to do with their opposition.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:26:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By 2A373:
F-4 Phantom
War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5
Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22



F-15A/C/I/S Eagle
Syrian border clashes 1979-1981 (Israel) 19-0-0
Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 38-0-0
Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 4-0-0




Has the IDF improved that much or is this an indication of how much the mighty F-4 sucks as a fighter compared to the F-15?


In '73 the Izzies had a pretty steep learning curve on some of the (Then) State Of The Art Soviet supplied
AAM's. If I remember correctly (?) there were a bunch of SA-6 kills (Against the IAF) and "maybe" that's
what influenced the numbers?
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:27:01 PM EST
Nice collection of Stats.
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:34:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By omega62:
Someone on here once described the F-4 Phantom as being "the Ron Jeremy of fighter jets."

Ugly, but gets the job done.

What's funny is that it's kind of true when you think about it.


The F-4 is ugly? wtf?


America's proof to the world. With enough thrust, even a brick will fly.


"In Thrust we Trust!"
Link Posted: 3/9/2011 5:36:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/9/2011 5:40:51 PM EST by tnwalker10]
Thanks for the chart, very interesting.

I think there were some British Tornados lost in the gulf war, correct me if I'm wrong.

ETA; 10 British Tornados were lost in the Gulf War. 6 to surface to air missles, 3 to anti-aircraft artillery, and 1 unknown.
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