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Posted: 8/8/2005 1:16:02 PM EDT
Colt Defense, LLC, Hartford, Conn., was awarded Aug. 4, 2005, a $52,509,192 firm-fixed-price contract to procure 50,881 M4 Carbines. Work will be performed at Colt’s Hartford facilities and is to be completed by Sept. 30, 2006. The U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command Rock Island at Rock Island, Ill., is the contracting activity. Army Public Affairs can be reached at (703) 692-2000. (W52H09-04-D-086)
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:26:22 PM EDT
Kind of high for a contract price.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:27:44 PM EDT
Lovely to see that the Gov't drinks the kool-aid
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:28:30 PM EDT
$1032 a piece? Are throwing in optics or extra barrels/parts?

I'd want a better discount for buying 50,000 rifles in one order..

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:28:34 PM EDT
So much for the Pony Haters
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:28:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Kind of high for a contract price.



Only $1100 per M4...snot bad...
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:28:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:29:22 PM EDT
Yea… Kinda like robbery…

I am sure the Army needs to pay nearly twice what they should just to get Colt support.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:29:35 PM EDT
1032 a rifle? seems real pricey to me.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:29:51 PM EDT

$1032 per rifles seems high for .gov to be paying.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:30:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 1:30:35 PM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By bigscrun:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Kind of high for a contract price.




That has to include replacement parts, training, etc................



Yea, I am sure the US Amry needs a lot of training on the M-16/M-4 platform.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:30:28 PM EDT
Maybe my unit will get some of those Colt's!



That would be tight as hell.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:30:41 PM EDT

seems like everybody had their calculator going at the same time!
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:49:50 PM EDT
$1032 is only a little less than what they charge other government entities for a new M4 carbine.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 2:50:28 PM EDT
Thats fucking ridicolous! Dosen't the government have old lower halfs they could mate to a new M-4 upper?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 2:56:04 PM EDT
The carbine arives with the M4 RAS installed, a -10 manual, 1 30 round magazine, 1accessory kit for the RAS to include 1 case, 8 panels and a forward grip, 1 non-tactical "silent" sling, 6 magazine dust pouches, 1 nylon dust case and a cardboard box.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 2:56:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
Lovely to see that the Gov't drinks the kool-aid



Link Posted: 8/8/2005 4:23:43 PM EDT
My guard unit recieved our M4's last month and let me tell you they looked like shit. Talk about wartime production, rear sight towers loose, obvious machine marks everywhere, and the parkerizing was rough.

However, I was glad as hell to get them, the M16A2 is a fence post, trying to get in and out of a HUMVEE or helicopter in a hurry was a bitch. Kind of strange that the M4's came in a cardboard box just like the civilian ones, ours didn't have the RAS installed.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 4:41:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By enemy:
Thats fucking ridicolous! Dosen't the government have old lower halfs they could mate to a new M-4 upper?


Alot of the old A1 lowers ended up in the Navy's hands mated to new A2 uppers. My units has almost 100 of them. I was issued a shiny new Colt 727, which took me several hours to clean the storage grease out of it.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 4:45:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By quijanos:
So much for the Pony Haters



Yeah, Colt still makes the M16 too......................no, wait, they don't.

Could have something to do with Colt owning the patent on the M4.............nah, that wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 4:51:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 4:52:10 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.



Link Posted: 8/8/2005 5:12:33 PM EDT
When I punched it into Fedlog, I got this "RIFLE 5.56 MM M4, Unit Price 587"
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 7:06:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



Considering the list price for an M16A4 from FN for the Military is about $1200-1400, I'd say $1100 for a Colt M4 is pretty good.

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 7:18:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 7:19:49 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1:

a $52,509,192 firm-fixed-price contract to procure 50,881 M4 Carbines.





50,881. Interesting number, isn't it? Why not just round it off? 51,000, or 50,900, or 50,800?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 7:23:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ktrout01:

Originally Posted By enemy:
Thats fucking ridicolous! Dosen't the government have old lower halfs they could mate to a new M-4 upper?


Alot of the old A1 lowers ended up in the Navy's hands mated to new A2 uppers. My units has almost 100 of them. I was issued a shiny new Colt 727, which took me several hours to clean the storage grease out of it.



That's not so bad. I bet they were a hell of a lot cheaper than the $1100 M-4. How are they functionally?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 7:35:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



I said I'd like to know what else is included. Certainly a RAS will add some cost.

But 50K units is still a big guaranteed order for any complex machining job.

I HOPE the govt doesn't pay Ford retail for all the shitty work vehicles it buys every year. But they probably do. Never mind.

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 7:42:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg




Who thought the voice of reason could be so funny!

Wasn't there a thread a while back where someone posted the govt price of an M16A2 to be around $540?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 8:28:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SSeric02:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg




Who thought the voice of reason could be so funny!

Wasn't there a thread a while back where someone posted the govt price of an M16A2 to be around $540?



Considering an A4 is 1200-1400, I would doubt that the RAS and flattop upper are going to be $800 more...
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 8:31:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 8:37:56 PM EDT by olyarms]
Dealer cost on an m4 is below $1k rather far below it. Now you would think at an order of 51k rifles you would at least get dealer cost, what a crock of sh!t

ETA: Just opened my big book and for a M4 Commando your looking at around $800, for an M4 Carbine your looking at around $850+ since these arent things sold to the public I don't see a problem in releasing the numbers it wont hurt any ones pricing.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 8:33:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



Considering the list price for an M16A4 from FN for the Military is about $1200-1400, I'd say $1100 for a Colt M4 is pretty good.



Well than our military is getting screwed, I have the distributor price sheets here in front of me right from colt. It has all the prices you could want.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 8:58:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Yeah, Colt still makes the M16 too......................no, wait, they don't.hr


They do make a portion of the M16A4s, actually.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:01:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



Considering the list price for an M16A4 from FN for the Military is about $1200-1400, I'd say $1100 for a Colt M4 is pretty good.



Well than our military is getting screwed, I have the distributor price sheets here in front of me right from colt. It has all the prices you could want.



Uhhh......if you're just now figuring out the Military pays about double on everything, as in the civilian world, if not more, then holy cow.


We had a FN spec sheet on the M16A4 on our Barracks Wall in BT/AIT, for one, that said the price for the military was $1600.

And the M4 is cheaper, so it'd be around $1200 or so.


Does your "Colt List Sheet" have info about selling to the Military? If not, then it doesnt freaking matter.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:03:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



Considering the list price for an M16A4 from FN for the Military is about $1200-1400, I'd say $1100 for a Colt M4 is pretty good.



Well than our military is getting screwed, I have the distributor price sheets here in front of me right from colt. It has all the prices you could want.



Uhhh......if you're just now figuring out the Military pays about double on everything, as in the civilian world, if not more, then holy cow.


We had a FN spec sheet on the M16A4 on our Barracks Wall in BT/AIT, for one, that said the price for the military was $1600.

And the M4 is cheaper, so it'd be around $1200 or so.


Does your "Colt List Sheet" have info about selling to the Military? If not, then it doesnt freaking matter.


It;s still far to much, and the military does pay less on many things, the M9 for one.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:07:36 PM EDT
do you guys really think that all of that 1200 bucks actually goes to pay for the rifle? Geez, everyone knows that they probably do get dealer cost on the rifles or less even, but the difference in that price goes to pay for evil top secret projects.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:32:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:50:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By olyarms:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



Considering the list price for an M16A4 from FN for the Military is about $1200-1400, I'd say $1100 for a Colt M4 is pretty good.



Well than our military is getting screwed, I have the distributor price sheets here in front of me right from colt. It has all the prices you could want.



Uhhh......if you're just now figuring out the Military pays about double on everything, as in the civilian world, if not more, then holy cow.


We had a FN spec sheet on the M16A4 on our Barracks Wall in BT/AIT, for one, that said the price for the military was $1600.

And the M4 is cheaper, so it'd be around $1200 or so.


Does your "Colt List Sheet" have info about selling to the Military? If not, then it doesnt freaking matter.


It;s still far to much, and the military does pay less on many things, the M9 for one.



No one said it wasnt....
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:55:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 11:21:42 PM EDT by steve-oh]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg



Is that the Lumpster himself? ETA-(Guess not.)

Anyways, I guess our favorite weapons platform still has some miles left on it. Which makes me feel good inside.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:10:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Seems kinda high to me.


I just wanted to say that so I can be like every retarded parrot in this thread without applying the least bit of thought or having any personal knowledge of the content of the contract.


members.cox.net/vseven/retard2.jpg




Tom Green?
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 4:42:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/9/2005 4:56:01 AM EDT by Raptor1911]
The Basic cost of an m-4 or M-16A4 is under $600. This contract must include all of the associated goodies.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 5:12:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Raptor1911:
The Basic cost of an m-4 or M-16A4 is under $600. This contract must include all of the associated goodies.



Fedleg: NSN 1005 01 383 2872, RIFLE 5.56MILL M16A4 587.00
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 9:20:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Raptor1911:
The Basic cost of an m-4 or M-16A4 is under $600. This contract must include all of the associated goodies.



Yea corporate welfare goodies.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 12:04:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By werbwerb:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Yeah, Colt still makes the M16 too......................no, wait, they don't.



They do make a portion of the M16A4s, actually.



Source?
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 12:20:18 PM EDT
That's on top of 124,803 M4's they got last year:

Colt Defense L.L.C.*, Hartford, Conn., was awarded on April 28, 2004, a delivery order amount of $0 as part of a $123,035,995 firm-fixed-price contract for 124,803 weapons in either M4 carbine or M4A1 carbine configurations. Work will be performed in West Hartford, Conn., and is expected to be completed by Sept. 30, 2007. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This was a sole source contract initiated on Oct. 14, 2003. The U.S. Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command, Rock Island, Ill., is the contracting activity (W52H09-04-D-0086).


So that's 175,000 or so M4's in the last 17 months. Go Colt!
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 12:23:10 PM EDT
For you Colt haters, type "Bushmaster" in the Search field and click contracts at www.defenselink.mil/search/
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 12:39:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
For you Colt haters, type "Bushmaster" in the Search field and click contracts at www.defenselink.mil/search/



Hum, all the Furin sales that Bushmaster does dont seem to show up there. Theres a shitload of Bushmasters in the hands of the Colombian Special Forces.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 2:19:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By werbwerb:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Yeah, Colt still makes the M16 too......................no, wait, they don't.



They do make a portion of the M16A4s, actually.



Source?



Well if you look at the US Marine Corps Concepts and Programs, 2005 page 150. M16A4 Modular Weapons Systems it list Manufacturing as Colt Manufacturing Company, Inc Hartford, CT and Fabrique National Military Industries, Columbia SC.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 3:28:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STLRN:
..... and a cardboard box.



Well.......................that explains the price.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 4:10:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By STLRN:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By werbwerb:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Yeah, Colt still makes the M16 too......................no, wait, they don't.



They do make a portion of the M16A4s, actually.



Source?



Well if you look at the US Marine Corps Concepts and Programs, 2005 page 150. M16A4 Modular Weapons Systems it list Manufacturing as Colt Manufacturing Company, Inc Hartford, CT and Fabrique National Military Industries, Columbia SC.



That is for the M4 part of the MWS. There is nothing to indicate that they get M16A4s from Colt.

Actually, it doesn't break it down, so it's hard to tell.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 4:15:35 PM EDT
Sounds good to me. I'd damn sure buy one for that price.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 4:44:53 PM EDT
I got a shipment of A4s in a while ago, to replace the last of my A2s and all those were FNs. There are Colt made A4s, I have a couple in my armory, but when they were made is a different question. They may have been part of the initial run and no longer made, but they were made at one time.
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