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Posted: 6/20/2002 1:28:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2002 1:29:21 PM EDT by cgwahl]
Question to those that are in the know. How important are grades to companies when you get out of college? I've been going over my marks for the last couple years and I'm seeing that I'm an average student (Majoring in Computer Science), mostly C's basically. Just kind of wondering if the HR guys truly care what you got in college since thats usually the only basis they can judge on when you're entry level...because I'm wondering if that'll hurt me since although I know stuff I'm not a good test taker. If they asked why my grades aren't so hot, would replying I'm not a good test taker be a bad response? Also, if at all possible if I can lose the weight and get in shape for the academy, will US Customs Investigator (cyber crimes; yeah yeah I want to be a Fed, mostly to stop child porn) or Dept of State (IS guy; be kind of cool to work in embassies, although I'm not fond of Colin Powell and I'd probably go to a piece of crap country and get nabbed or shot as soon as I got off the plane) not look at me in a good eye because I'm not holding a 3.0 or better average?
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 1:31:20 PM EDT
In my experience, not one single company I've applied to work for or have worked for have asked for my transcripts. I work for Sun Microsystems now and they didn't ask either. BTW, I graduated from CSU 14 years ago this month.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 1:31:39 PM EDT
Most will not look at grades, only the degree. If you venture toward Education (ie: teacher/professor) they will look. Will it matter, shit don't worry. Some have high grades taking underwater basket weaving, some middle of the road grades taking high level science. Hell sell the person that is you!
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 1:56:27 PM EDT
JT, what is up with SUNW's share price? Has Mcnealy told you guys anything? I am still holding SUNW, but am starting to wonder what the heck is going on. BTW, have you heard any inside rumours about IBM buying out SUNW. Any help would be greatly appreciated from an inside source. [:)]
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:02:48 PM EDT
If it comes down to you and another with higher grades - you loose! The field that you have selected is very competitive. I would show a strong finish if I could. Difference between getting a job and getting a JOB in starting dollars and position. I hire for a major co and I look at grades to determine who will get the interview etc... Yes they do count...
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:11:52 PM EDT
Good grades in college are generally a result of enjoying your classes enough that you do the work required to learn the material. What with grade inflation what it is nowadays and you are getting "C's", my advice is to look for a different field. If you got "A's" in anything, that's the first place you should be looking.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:19:34 PM EDT
Grades are Critical if you are applying for a position and you have a lot of competition. Once you are out of school for more than a few years you probably won't be asked for transcripts.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:22:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2002 2:42:23 PM EDT by Houston]
I can't say for the IT field, but when I graduated and was applying for jobs in the public accounting field, grades were very important. Extracurricular jobs and activities will help mitigate the grade emphasis. Edited to add that grades aren't looked at after the first job.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:32:26 PM EDT
The DEA made sure I had a 3.0 GPA when I applied.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:35:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:39:39 PM EDT
Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:50:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2002 2:50:34 PM EDT by mattja]
Good grades give you the right to add honors to your degree, so instead of saying "BSCS" on your resume, you can say "BSCS, Cum Laude". Good grades get you into graduate school. Good grades get you to the top of list (maybe even on the list) for an interview. Good grades make people assume certain things about you, usually good things, without having to actually meet you and find out for themselves. Think job interview. When I was hiring fresh graduates, all I had to go by were grades and school projects. When I hired guys with 3-5 years experience, I go by their work history and references, with far less weight based on grades. When I was forced to hire H1-B programmers, I usually ignored education because it was very difficult to verify.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:50:41 PM EDT
As a college student myself, I have seen how good grades can help you get more interviews than people with lower grades, but once you make it to an interview, it's all up for grabs. My advice is to never aim for anything less than an A+. Ever. You have nothing to lose by getting good grades.
Link Posted: 6/20/2002 2:54:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:29:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Mattja, let me ask you since you hire people in the IS field: who would you give an interview to first; a BS with a 3.6 gpa and no experience or a BS with a 3.0 gpa and one year of fulltime coop experience ?
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:54:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan:
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Mattja, let me ask you since you hire people in the IS field: who would you give an interview to first; a BS with a 3.6 gpa and no experience or a BS with a 3.0 gpa and one year of fulltime coop experience ?
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I believe he said, "new graduates with average grades".
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 8:03:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/24/2002 8:10:47 AM EDT by Cereal-Killer]
My advise to you would be to take some resume writing, and interview workshops at your college or local junior college. You should also practice mock interviews with people you know in your field. I've done interviews for Software and Software Q.A. engineers. After reading what you posted, here is what I would recommend. (Mind you every interviewer is different) Rule #1 - A good resume is more likely to get you an inerview. A nice bullet in your case would have been a good G.P.A. or "Honor Roll", but oh well. What else can you put down that will make you stand out? Did you do any internships? Were you in any clubs? Don't focus just on grades, you want to point out everything in your favor, and present it in a way it can easily be received. Like I said earlier there are workshops for this topic right on your campus. Rule #2 - How you carry yourself in an interview is going to matter if you're going to get an offer. If you put it on your resume, and can't back it up in an interview the person you're talking will probably know it. Be ready to be grilled about the resume, and what you know about the position, processes, etc. Again take a workshop, and role play interviews with people you know in the same field. If you have done an internship, ask the people you previously worked for to give you advice.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 8:10:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Yeah, but when you are in a position like I was with 10 job openings, 9 applicants but only 2 qualified (including me) they could give a shit less about your grades. I agree that there is no reason not to make good grades, but depending on the field you're in they might not even look or care for that matter.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 10:22:16 AM EDT
I think that good grades may help in getting an interview if there are alot of applicants, but the final decision boild down to how well you impress them on the interview.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 10:36:03 AM EDT
I have been told by several former recruiting people that grades do matter, even though they know they have almost nothing to do with how you will perform in the real world. If you are having trouble getting good grades, try working on projects. If you can do some impressive work on a big project, they might look at you anyways. At my college, I think there are several teams that combine Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, and Computers to make robots, cars, etc.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:19:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan:
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Mattja, let me ask you since you hire people in the IS field: who would you give an interview to first; a BS with a 3.6 gpa and no experience or a BS with a 3.0 gpa and one year of fulltime coop experience ?
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I believe he said, "new graduates with average grades".
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Torf, let mattja answer the question. I didn't ask you.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 6:19:45 PM EDT
What? No Co-Op No Internship? Does not being a good test taker mean you are not able to handle pressure? Grades might not be important to a PR- but why would you settle for personal mediocrity? I take it you might not br paying the tuition by yourself. A low aim never hits a high mark.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:50:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/24/2002 7:51:21 PM EDT by Charging_Handle]
Having a 3.7 GPA throughout college never caused me any problems when applying for a job. It can never hurt you and if the reviewer is having a hard time deciding who to hire, grades could break a tie with someone else. With that said, just do your best. If you can apply yourself a little more and do better, then go for it. If you are already doing your best, then don't sweat it. As long as you give it your all, that's all you can do.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 8:03:15 PM EDT
Buy a nice suit and get a hair cut.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 8:21:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan:
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Mattja, let me ask you since you hire people in the IS field: who would you give an interview to first; a BS with a 3.6 gpa and no experience or a BS with a 3.0 gpa and one year of fulltime coop experience ?
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Hmm... the latter guy would probably be first in line for the interview, depending on the type of experience. As far as hiring, either person could get the job, depending on how well he or she impressed me.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 8:23:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Yeah, but when you are in a position like I was with 10 job openings, 9 applicants but only 2 qualified (including me) they could give a shit less about your grades. I agree that there is no reason not to make good grades, but depending on the field you're in they might not even look or care for that matter.
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A lot depends on the economy. The way things are today, you might have 200 applicants for that position.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 8:29:56 PM EDT
But, you know, I'm not even going to go by how well spoken they are, because right there that disqualifies many foreigners. And I have hired in the past based solely on grades for lack of experience and that doesn't always work out. So, now days, I usually put a very general problem to the candidate and see what kind of design he can come up with on the spot. Nothing real specific is required, I just want to know if that person is capable of thinking like a programmer, breaking things down and suggesting a plan of attack.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 9:21:33 PM EDT
Ok, thanks. Guess I won't be too worried on when I finally get out then. Will be so so depending on whom I go to I suppose...
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 9:24:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MisterGreens: My advice is to never aim for anything less than an A+. Ever. You have nothing to lose by getting good grades.
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I'm going to have to disagree. Hard work sometimes pays off in the future, but laziness ALWAYS pays off now.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 2:57:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: Professors that I have asked about gpa and jobs have all said that after your first job no one cares about your gpa. Most companies (at least in the Is field) don't care about gpa for your first job. They can tell from the interviews if you know your stuff.
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Yes, but what do you do when you receive 500 resumes? You are not going to interview them all, so you filter out the new graduates with average grades. They don't even make the first cut.
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Yeah, but when you are in a position like I was with 10 job openings, 9 applicants but only 2 qualified (including me) they could give a shit less about your grades. I agree that there is no reason not to make good grades, but depending on the field you're in they might not even look or care for that matter.
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A lot depends on the economy. The way things are today, you might have 200 applicants for that position.
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I just got this position about a month ago and there were still 7 openings last I heard. There aren't enough people comming out of college with electrical engineering degrees. Many times these positions stay open for months because of a lack of candidates. As long as you have the degree and seem like you have a good head on your shoulders they don't really care either way about your grades. In fact, I've still got two classes left but since I interview so well I was offered 9 of the 10 openings.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 3:11:17 AM EDT
I have seen cases where employers go through 200 resumes, declare no one is qualified, and then hire an Indian or Chinese H1-B from a body shop.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 3:30:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheCommissioner: Good grades in college are generally a result of enjoying your classes enough that you do the work required to learn the material. What with grade inflation what it is nowadays and you are getting "C's", my advice is to look for a different field. If you got "A's" in anything, that's the first place you should be looking.
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Yeah, sorry man, but B's are average these days. If you're taking home C's, then start studying a lot more, its not about test taking its about lack of care into your work. As far as grades go, in your first job out of college, EVERY company will look at your transcript. You might end up taking a shit job for a couple years then going to a better job. The gov jobs all have a minimum GPA as far as I know. I've looked into a number of places and all had 3.0 or better if you were to apply. Get out of McDonalds and into your library, that'd solve two problems at the same time!
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 8:18:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Minman72: Get out of McDonalds and into your library, that'd solve two problems at the same time!
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No offense, I don't know if you're trying to be cute but don't be a jackass. I don't work at a McDonalds I work at a Fire Department.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 8:36:38 AM EDT
You only need the grades to pass after that you only need that sheep skin. Everybody is a FNG for a time so it's not like you really need to be ready right out of the box. Don't think that you truly know your job the day you get out of school anyway.
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