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Posted: 10/1/2011 10:16:10 PM EST
Arfians;

Was just watching the History Channel series "Tales of the Gun", when they were talking about Clyde Barrow and the guns he cut down for robbing banks & suchlike. This is what his "Whippet" shotgun looked like:



Which comes back to an issue I have been having. My heavy HD piece is a Mossy 500 with a pistol grip, which is fine as far as it goes, but hitting anything much beyond 10 yards would be challenging w/o a buttstock of some kind. Now, I can't cut the barrel off that short unless I give my Uncle Sammy $200 for a SBR, but I'm intrigued by that sawn-off buttstock (yes, I know I have to keep it +26" overall).

Hence my question: has anyone ever tried this? How is it, shooting a gun with something like a 10" length of pull? Or can anyone recommend a good folding stock? The last one I tried, the wire stock, seriously sucked ass.

Your thots?
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 10:20:25 PM EST
Strangely enough I have been pondering doing this but not to sir length. From what I have read from people that have them they are quite the bruiser.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 10:32:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By grayparatrooper:
Strangely enough I have been pondering doing this but not to sir length. From what I have read from people that have them they are quite the bruiser.


Ya, I would have expected that (smaller buttstock surface area & all that, less weight, etc). But, just like a light .458 magnum, it is meant to be carried much & shot little. I would likely fit it with a Pachmeyer Decelerator pad, tho I would have cut it almost down to nothing to fit the sawn off stock.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 10:37:18 PM EST
Ive got a few kimel kampers. No problem to shoot it chicken wing, but anything else is tiring. They have 7lop.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 10:51:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By staraero:
Ive got a few kimel kampers. No problem to shoot it chicken wing, but anything else is tiring. They have 7lop.


Just Googled "kimel kampers". Interdasting. About what I'm talking about, except in a repeater.

So, any inflamation on good folding stocks for a pumper?
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 10:54:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 10:58:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By theBUBBAMANcan:
http://youtu.be/Xbt30UnzRWw

Sorry.


Weisenheimer, eh? *Smeck!*
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 11:26:41 PM EST
There are a few people on this site that made A5's into that config. Update this post in 10 hours and someone with one may see it.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 11:37:49 PM EST
9/10 people that complain about recoil on a A5/ Rem-11 probably shot a gun that had an improperly configured recoil system or it was missing pieces.


Link Posted: 10/1/2011 11:43:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 12:41:33 AM EST


Badassed!


Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:03:19 AM EST
Somebody just get finished watching the latest episode of Boardwalk Empire?

One of those Brownings was prominent in a scene, and I haven't been able to get it out of my head all week!
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:05:08 AM EST
Has anyone told Ron Paul about how they "fixed" ol' Clyde yet?....
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:19:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 2:21:39 AM EST by Stryfe]
Have you looked at a youth size, or entry size stocks?
They have about a 13" length of pull.
My 870 slug gun wears a Speedfeed IV-s. I had a III on it, but it was too long for me.

It didn't bother me with slugs, but after putting a field bbl on it, with a turkey choke, I fired one shot, called it a day and ordered a cheek pad. The top side of the stock is a little narrow compared to others.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:29:30 AM EST
You got to give Clyde credit, he wore nice clothes, had the best, fastest car for the time, 75 HP 1933 Ford V-8, , lot's of Colt .45's, and several BAR's, including some that were cut down, but––––––––he had a short, ugly, girlfriend, but 4 out 5 ain't bad
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:46:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 3:01:40 AM EST by FMD]
I regularly shoot pumps with a 12" LOP, and have an 11-48 (A5 action) with the same. They're easier to shoot them than "standard" stocks at 14-15" LOP, and doesn't start to get weird until go shorter than 11" or so.

The "Whippet" guns had an LOP nearer 10", IIRC. Edit: Depending on gauge. Bonnie preferred 20G, and Clyde preferred 16G, both of which would have been shorter. The gun in the OP is a 12G, with a LOP right around 12-13".

Originally Posted By Madcap72:
9/10 people that complain about recoil on a A5/ Rem-11 probably shot a gun that had an improperly configured recoil system or it was missing pieces.


This. Shooting a12G A5/M11 or clone feels almost exactly like shooting a 7.62 AK.

Link Posted: 10/2/2011 3:12:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
There are a few people on this site that made A5's into that config. Update this post in 10 hours and someone with one may see it.


It ain't a A5 but it is close.

18.3 in. barrel and full 14 in. LOP

Same 18.3 in. barrel with 2 in. cut off stock so it is still "all day" shootable.
I don't want to cut it any shorter because I am already bumping my nose when shooting it and if I go any shorter I am going to bloody my nose.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 3:21:28 AM EST
IIRC, Barrow was also known to chop-down BAR's too. Let's see someone do that!
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 4:04:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
IIRC, Barrow was also known to chop-down BAR's too. Let's see someone do that!


There are not too many 100 to 400 dollar BARs and copies (more like $4000+) available like with the A5/model 11s.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 4:40:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 4:46:11 AM EST by Polish_Infidel]
While not Clyde Barrow's guns, here is a picture of the Dillinger gang's guns. Note the chopped down shotgun at the bottom.






Here's a website about Bonnie and Clyde including details on their weapons.

Bonnie and Clyde
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 7:03:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 7:11:55 AM EST by douglasmorris99]
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
There are a few people on this site that made A5's into that config. Update this post in 10 hours and someone with one may see it.


It ain't a A5 but it is close.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/paraframe/002.jpg
18.3 in. barrel and full 14 in. LOP
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/paraframe/001-4.jpg
Same 18.3 in. barrel with 2 in. cut off stock so it is still "all day" shootable.
I don't want to cut it any shorter because I am already bumping my nose when shooting it and if I go any shorter I am going to bloody my nose.


those cut down Mdl 11 are great littl shotguns, I had one under the seat of 3 of my PU's until an aquaintance made me an offer I couldnt refuse for it.
they do kick pretty hard but point of aim was always spot on and for a 70 yr old weapon, never a failure..
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 7:17:36 AM EST
Will an auto 5 cycle when it is that short?

Never gave it any thought
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 7:21:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 7:22:48 AM EST
Stuff like that is the entire reason the NFA was passed in the first place.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 9:45:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By CarbineDad:
Will an auto 5 cycle when it is that short?

Never gave it any thought


They are recoil operated, they will work right off the bench after being chopped, shortening them actually seems to make them run even better. With gas guns you have to make sure you still have enough barrel length to have good back pressure or open up the ports to make them run, with recoil guns you have actually make the action even faster (less weight to get moving and stop with the reciprocating barrel) and when it comes to things that run using springs and friction, speed is your friend.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:02:07 AM EST
While a chopped down shotgun looks sexy, I've always prefered a full stocked one, faster follow up shots and the abillty to deliver a proper buttstroke is more important to me.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:07:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By lotsagas4u:
You got to give Clyde credit, he wore nice clothes, had the best, fastest car for the time, 75 HP 1933 Ford V-8, , lot's of Colt .45's, and several BAR's, including some that were cut down, but––––––––he had a short, ugly, girlfriend, but 4 out 5 ain't bad


She was short, and she was not fat (Certainly not fat enough for ARFCOM) but I have not ever heard her described as ugly! Seriously?



Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:08:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By para_frame:
Originally Posted By CarbineDad:
Will an auto 5 cycle when it is that short?

Never gave it any thought


They are recoil operated, they will work right off the bench after being chopped, shortening them actually seems to make them run even better. With gas guns you have to make sure you still have enough barrel length to have good back pressure or open up the ports to make them run, with recoil guns you have actually make the action even faster (less weight to get moving and stop with the reciprocating barrel) and when it comes to things that run using springs and friction, speed is your friend.


Thank you –– I assume the bank robbers of the '30s knew their stuff, but had never thought it through like that. Thanks
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:10:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:14:31 AM EST
Just get the 12" Hogue stock and call it a day. I'm averaged sized and it feels really short to me.

Link
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:20:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By Polish_Infidel:
While not Clyde Barrow's guns, here is a picture of the Dillinger gang's guns. Note the chopped down shotgun at the bottom.




Here's a website about Bonnie and Clyde including details on their weapons.

Bonnie and Clyde


HOLY CRAPOLEEE!!!

Look at that 1911 in the middle!
It has a Thompson front grip attached to the bottom and a "compensator" on the barrel AND some kinda super extended mag.

Fucking pure 100% WIN.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:22:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fender57:
Originally Posted By Polish_Infidel:
While not Clyde Barrow's guns, here is a picture of the Dillinger gang's guns. Note the chopped down shotgun at the bottom.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k213/Polish_infidel/DILLINGER.jpg


Here's a website about Bonnie and Clyde including details on their weapons.

Bonnie and Clyde


HOLY CRAPOLEEE!!!

Look at that 1911 in the middle!
It has a Thompson front grip attached to the bottom and a "compensator" on the barrel AND some kinda super extended mag.

Fucking pure 100% WIN.


IIRC it's a .38Super & full auto also.

Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:25:53 AM EST
What's with the straw hat?

Did it have a razor-edge metal rim like OddJob's lid?

Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:28:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fender57:

HOLY CRAPOLEEE!!!

Look at that 1911 in the middle!
It has a Thompson front grip attached to the bottom and a "compensator" on the barrel AND some kinda super extended mag.

Fucking pure 100% WIN.


The 1911 SMG was really popular among the IRA too.

Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:43:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By ThatGuy91K:
Just get the 12" Hogue stock and call it a day. I'm averaged sized and it feels really short to me.

Link


The stock on the A5/M11 wasn't cut like that because they wanted some stock left, they did it because there is a spring in the stock and you can't cut it any shorter.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:48:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
IIRC, Barrow was also known to chop-down BAR's too. Let's see someone do that!

http://i.imgur.com/zgI7b.jpg


I would do it, but first, I would make sure i have the original barrel and stock removed and kept, then do the chopping on a replacement barrel and stock (preferabbly new manufacture); I would not feel happy mangling up a Colt M1918 BAR.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:52:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:
http://texashideout.tripod.com/clydeandbar.jpg

Those fools ruined it for the rest of us.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 10:53:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By RiffRandall:
Originally Posted By Fender57:
Originally Posted By Polish_Infidel:
While not Clyde Barrow's guns, here is a picture of the Dillinger gang's guns. Note the chopped down shotgun at the bottom.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k213/Polish_infidel/DILLINGER.jpg


Here's a website about Bonnie and Clyde including details on their weapons.

Bonnie and Clyde


HOLY CRAPOLEEE!!!

Look at that 1911 in the middle!
It has a Thompson front grip attached to the bottom and a "compensator" on the barrel AND some kinda super extended mag.

Fucking pure 100% WIN.


IIRC it's a .38Super & full auto also.



Yup; you can see it in Johnny Depp's movie "Public Enemies"...



Link Posted: 10/2/2011 11:09:09 AM EST
Houge Youth Stock for your Mossberg. It has a 12" LOP.

/thread
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 11:14:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By E4W:
Originally Posted By lotsagas4u:
You got to give Clyde credit, he wore nice clothes, had the best, fastest car for the time, 75 HP 1933 Ford V-8, , lot's of Colt .45's, and several BAR's, including some that were cut down, but––––––––he had a short, ugly, girlfriend, but 4 out 5 ain't bad


She was short, and she was not fat (Certainly not fat enough for ARFCOM) but I have not ever heard her described as ugly! Seriously?

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/faculty/~k_aufderheide/Forensic_Science/Images/Bonnie_Parker.jpg



The program I watched said Bonnie, despite being so petite, had no trouble running the BAR skillfully.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 11:46:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Willz:
Originally Posted By E4W:
Originally Posted By lotsagas4u:
You got to give Clyde credit, he wore nice clothes, had the best, fastest car for the time, 75 HP 1933 Ford V-8, , lot's of Colt .45's, and several BAR's, including some that were cut down, but––––––––he had a short, ugly, girlfriend, but 4 out 5 ain't bad


She was short, and she was not fat (Certainly not fat enough for ARFCOM) but I have not ever heard her described as ugly! Seriously?

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/faculty/~k_aufderheide/Forensic_Science/Images/Bonnie_Parker.jpg



The program I watched said Bonnie, despite being so petite, had no trouble running the BAR skillfully.


Any girl who can use a BAR is automatically classified a sexy.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 11:48:44 AM EST
My 870 SBS (14" barrel) has a Hogue stock on it that has a ~11" LOP.
Its very short.

Kharn
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 11:59:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 1:07:39 PM EST


$5 AOW stamp.
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 1:43:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By rollingtrouble13:
While a chopped down shotgun looks sexy, I've always prefered a full stocked one, faster follow up shots and the abillty to deliver a proper buttstroke is more important to me.


But then you don't generally rob banks and or have to shoot from a 1933 Ford V8 either.....

Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:01:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
IIRC, Barrow was also known to chop-down BAR's too. Let's see someone do that!

http://i.imgur.com/zgI7b.jpg


Can you imagine that thing on full rock n roll?
Link Posted: 10/2/2011 2:12:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By Kharn:
My 870 SBS (14" barrel) has a Hogue stock on it that has a ~11" LOP.
Its very short.

Kharn


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