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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:14:32 PM EDT
I wonder what the legal penalty for assaulting a Senior Citizen and defacing their flag will be
for someone in this country illegally.........probably the same as usual.........nothing Clash halts border watch By Jannise Johnson, Staff Writer 9/19/2005 www2.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3041539 A clash with a group of protesters in San Diego caused the leader of a volunteer border patrol group to temporarily halt activity Saturday. Andy Ramirez, a Chino resident and chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol Border Watch, said an opposition group confronted members of his organization in San Diego on Saturday afternoon. Friends of the Border Patrol Border Watch is one of several recently organized civilian patrol groups whose members are dissatisfied with the federal government's handling of illegal immigration. Ramirez said members of Gente Unida, a San Diego-based group, confronted Friends of the Border Patrol Border Watch volunteers who were in the area for a training session. He also said the altercation was caught on tape. According to Ramirez, members of Gente Unida shouted obscenities, stomped and kicked an American flag, and physically assaulted some of Ramirez's older volunteers. Gente Unida claims to be a group that believes in peaceful, nonviolent action, Ramirez said. But "there wasn't anything peaceful about shoving a bunch of senior citizens around," Ramirez said during a telephone interview from his home Sunday afternoon. Enrique Morones, president and founder of Border Angels, one of 65 groups within Gente Unida, denies the claims by Ramirez. But, he said, his group was protesting volunteer patrols in Calexico when the San Diego clash occurred. "We're not a violent group," he said by phone Sunday evening. "We're autonomous, and we're against the racist vigilantes." Ramirez said Friends of the Border Patrol volunteers will be out of circulation only for a few days while they figure out what legal action to take against Gente Unida. "We do plan on giving a copy of this tape," to the San Diego Police Department, he said. "We're taking this through the appropriate channels." Ramirez said his group has been on patrol at the California-Mexico border since June. |
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Here was a previous report of the same event
Minuteman-Style Border Patrol Is Over in No Time Organizers call off the event after a scuffle with protesters and a lower turnout than expected. Counterdemonstrators declare victory. September 18, 2005 By Anna Gorman and Richard Marosi, Times Staff Writers www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-minutemen18sep18,1,136974.story?coll=la-headlines-california&ctrack=1&cset=true SAN DIEGO — After touting their plans for months, organizers called off their Minuteman-style patrol of the California-Mexico border this weekend after a minor scuffle with counterdemonstrators and a far lower turnout than expected. Friends of the Border Patrol, a Chino-based group, had said that hundreds of volunteers, some armed, would patrol the border along a 100-mile stretch from the coast to Imperial County, modeling their effort in part after April's Minuteman Project in Arizona. Their intention, they said, was to monitor — not apprehend — illegal immigrants and report their presence to the U.S. Border Patrol. But on Saturday, organizer Andy Ramirez called it off, citing a fear of violence. He said about 40 volunteers had showed up and, of them, 20 had registered for training at a nearby hotel. "I can't send them out if somebody is going to try to harm them," Ramirez said. Pushing and shoving broke out early Saturday after about 20 counterdemonstrators marched into the Scottish Rites Center in San Diego, where Border Watch volunteers had come to register for training, according to witnesses and police. One counterdemonstrator was cited for battery after he allegedly knocked down someone unaffiliated with either group. Declaring victory, hundreds of counterdemonstrators Saturday evening marched through the streets of Calexico, Calif., with some saying citizen patrols were losing momentum and that they had chased out the few would-be patrollers who bothered to show up. "It's a disaster," said Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, one of the immigrant rights groups that participated in the counter-protest. "The novelty of the minutemen has worn off." Morones said the low turnout reflected poor organization and the fact that people aren't willing to volunteer for a group of "racist vigilantes." But Ramirez said the patrollers may regroup and try again next weekend. The gathering began Friday, when Ramirez and eight others held a news conference at the rusted border fence across from Tijuana. Even then, they were drowned out by a mariachi band and about 30 jeering counterdemonstrators waving Mexican flags and chanting in Spanish for the "caza migrantes" — migrant hunters — to go home. The effort was the third in California in the past three months that failed to draw a significant number of volunteers. In Arizona, by contrast, organizers hailed the Minuteman Project as a success because the turnout was greater, media coverage was heavy and illegal crossings, according to the Border Patrol, dropped. Minuteman-like groups are pressuring federal lawmakers to change immigration laws and bolster enforcement along the border. Border Watch had planned to send the volunteers, including former police officers and Border Patrol agents, to homes and ranches near the border, where they would call the Border Patrol if they spotted border crossers. "This issue of border security has grown into a national emergency," said Ramirez, who calls his group the "ultimate Neighborhood Watch." Arizona is the main corridor for illegal immigration into the U.S.; hundreds of thousands are apprehended annually. Illegal activity along California's border has declined significantly in recent years. Still, the illegal border traffic rankles many on the U.S. side, especially those living in the rugged backcountry east of San Diego. Donna and Ed Tisdale, who live on a 400-acre ranch about a mile from the border, said they had planned to let Friends of the Border Patrol use their home as an observation post. Illegal migrants and drug smugglers cross their ranch regularly, and the U.S. Border Patrol doesn't have enough agents to stop the flow, said Donna Tisdale. "This is organized crime at work in our neighborhood. We're desperate for help," she said, adding that the volunteer group would have provided more "eyes and ears in the area." Tim Whitney, 50, a Chula Vista construction worker who attended the training session, said he was disappointed with the low turnout. "I was hoping for something more, for more Americans." |
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The problem is that the citizens of Kalifornistan are not permitted to arm themselves. The BGs are well aware of this, so when there aren't any lawmen around why not beat up the old dudes...they can't fight back.
Come on out here and try that shit with me sonny...and we'll see who gets OWNED! |
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Its worse than that, I don't know about the other groups but, if you are in the Minutemen you are absolutely NOT allowed to respond to any provocation by the illegals or the illegal supporters That includes assault, threats and the multiple other actions that are being used by the illegals.........who have nothing to fear from authorities |
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One of the Citizen border watch groups has found it neccessary to avoid the publicity to avoid the violence of the illegals
WHERE ARE THE POLICE WHEN THE CITIZENS ARE BEING ASSAULTED? Border Watch Group To Go Underground After Heavy Opposition 09-19-05 www.kfmb.com/stories/story.23735.html The organizer of an anti-illegal immigration group that has attempted to launch a border-watch effort over the weekend said he may take his operation underground, it was reported today. Andy Ramirez, organizer of Friends of the Border Patrol, told the San Diego Union-Tribune that he was worried about his and participants' safety after a run-in with protestors during a training session Saturday. "We're not scared," Ramirez told the newspaper. "If it means that we put our people out there quietly, then that's how we do it." Ramirez says his plans to stage civilian border patrols have not been canceled despite the low turn out of only 25 participants at the training session at the Mission Valley Resort Hotel. Some participants have told the Union-Tribune other prospective participants were scared away after a confrontation with a small crowd of protestors at the Scottish Rite center, where sign-ups were held Saturday morning. Both sides accused the other of shoving, and one protestor was cited. For the last few months, Ramirez has promoted his plans to stand up to immigrant smugglers and drug runners my monitoring the border with Mexico in San Diego and Imperial counties. Last week, Ramirez told the Union-Tribune he had trained 125 people, and that 30 to 40 had conducted secret patrols this summer. Yesterday, he said there was just a skeleton crew guarding private property where they had planned to stage patrols. |
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I got this in an email last night.
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We could save them the fuel, and you the expenditure of energy...by having them stop in Texas first. THAT SHIT WILL NOT FLY HERE IN TEXAS. |
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you know I wouldn't mind betting that Andy Ramirez is Hispanic. so does this make him a self-loathing Hispanic or what? how can he be acting racist when he's presumably the same race as the illegals? |
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I know, the border watchers can HIRE off duty cops to protect them
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.Gov is gonna fiddle-fuck around with this, and a 'border watcher' is gonna get killed.
Then all the 'border watchers' will be forbidden to monitor the borders. Just watch. |
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I think a border watcher is going to get hurt and all the "overzealous" people
that the illegals, aclu, bush, dems, lulac, airamericaradio and aztlan supporters claim are ALREADY border watchers will actually show up......and there will be problems |
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Yeah. THAT will help the cause. If the border advocates want to make a point and illustrate their motives, being non-violent is the proper way to do it. Let the other side look like the goons that they are. |
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didn't border watch try to start a group in texas but no one was interested? |
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I don't know. Ranch Rescue worked here for a bit, and everyone knows how that worked out... |
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Most of the border in Texas is private land, so it would be more difficult for militia groups to patrol or monitor the border than in Arizona or New Mexico. |
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actually I believe they have texas operations planed for october ,, one of the radio hosts here is going down for a week .. www.570klif.com |
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I really believe that groups like Border Angels and Gente Unida should be dealt with more severely. I don't believe in trying to maintain the "higher moral ground" over adversaries. That's what the French did in WWII. We need to get thugs out there beating down those groups of illegals. The hammers should be hitting the high nails.
The fact that they feel like they can assault US citizens supporting the laws of the land speaks volumes. It is as if they have already won the invasion and have infiltrated our institutions that should be meting out justice. |
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Wouldn't it be easier, because the illegal aliens and their supporters cannot harrass the "militia groups" on property that the landowners have given permission to set up camp because they are desperate for any help they can get due to the criminal negligence of the .gov? |
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Should be much easier because if one group has the property owners permission to be there and the other doesn't, makes it real easy for the uninvited interlopers to be arrested for tresspassing or other offenses. Don't we always have Texans on here telling us about how legal it is to shoot folks on your property after dark if involved in nefarious activities? |
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I have only seen people from other states commenting on that theoretically, at night, it is legal to shoot someone in the back if they are escaping YOUR property while in the act of stealing YOUR possessions.......or in self-defense anytime In reality, our da recently announced that even though the legislature passed a law allowing concealed carry in ANY law abiding citizens vehicle.......he would still insist on their arrest |
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