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Posted: 9/8/2005 7:07:37 PM EDT
I don't know, seems like events are really spiraling out of control. I feel it more now than I did during the 70's and we came close then. Another 4 years of Carter(even as bad as his administration harmed the country, 49.5% of voters still voted for him!).
Certainly early to call at this point but when you look at the erosion of freedoms, increasing acceptance of perversion, destruction of the family, murder of babies, economic collapse looming on the distant horizon and now this....

Hurricane Katrina is going to cost this country far more than any of these dipshit politicians is admitting to at this point. It will all go on the National Debt, further strangling the economy. The violence which ensued during Katrina and in the aftermath is barbaric, tribal and malignant. And it has now metastasized throughout the country with the scum that the gov't and various "dogooders" have dumped on the rest of us. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, and on and on it goes. You have notable but racist blacks stirring up shit everywhere they go and no one seems interested in telling us the truth. The media in this country is one of its greatest enemies. Ironic, isn't it? They were supposed to be the watchers, informing the rest of us. Instead it is propaganda, socialist agenda and indoctrination.

The ripples are only now beginning but I have a greater sense of doom for my country than I have ever had and I was born in 1958. Not even the 60's came close to this IMO.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:09:11 PM EDT
Loosen up your tinfoil there Sparky.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:11:59 PM EDT
Did one of those Art Bell guest predict that the fall of this nation would be preceded by natural disasters? Does this mean I won't have to file a 10-40 and if I do go to Washington, D. C., that I'll have to pay for admission into the Smithsonian? What about the free access to the National Archives or the Library of Congress?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:12:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:15:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Loosen up your tinfoil there Sparky.



without it the CIA and Hilary can penetrate my brain with ELF waves and affect my thoughts. Besides it is stuck on.


I'm serious though, this is the way shit starts. I don't see it next week or next month but down the road I see the possibility of events which take us down a road that if not handled properly could lead to revolution in a few years. Hey, I'm a intelligent guy, know my history, etc and I have more fear for my country now than I have ever had.

You and a lot of people out there are unaware of how many lose screws there really are. I know.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:17:35 PM EDT
I doubt you will see a conservative-liberal civil war.

Beside the Republicans throw away taxpayer money almost as fast as the Dems. the pork involved with the energy bill was just amazing considering the Republcans controlled both houses.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:21:15 PM EDT
Slowly but surely rights are traded for security......freedom dies.
But it is not dead yet and thanks to AR15.com, I am encouraged that there are a lot of fine patriotic ( as in people who think the way our Founding Fathers did ) people left in this once fine country. Bad guys, be warned, it will be a hell of a fight.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:21:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:


Beside the Republicans throw away taxpayer money almost as fast as the Dems. the pork involved with the energy bill was just amazing considering the Republcans controlled both houses.



Just a matter of who's constituency gets tapped.

Where's Liberty '86?



I doubt you will see a conservative-liberal civil war.


I'm not sure that is the way I see this possibly going down though in the past I probably would have thought so. Probably start with conservative civilians against conservative .gov/mil. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess.

There are conservatives who won't hand over their weapons and won't keep swallowing the socialist gov'ts shit. I know that for certain.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:23:20 PM EDT
i just know it need to wait untill next year.
right now isnt a good time for me.

Im too low on ammo and suplies.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:26:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LTVN68:
Slowly but surely rights are traded for security......freedom dies.
But it is not dead yet and thanks to AR15.com



I think the staff here condones the types of behavior in this country that will lead to civil war. Don't you pay attention???
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:30:00 PM EDT
Praise the Lord and pass the ammo..............
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:31:11 PM EDT

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:32:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vktshooter:

Originally Posted By LTVN68:
Slowly but surely rights are traded for security......freedom dies.
But it is not dead yet and thanks to AR15.com



I think the staff here condones the types of behavior in this country that will lead to civil war. Don't you pay attention???



No, as I have seen NONE of them post. Besides,even the founding Fathers acknowledged that it might be neccesary from time to time to keep the Govt from becoming evil and overpowering. I believe they saw it as a natural event depending on the people's ire at the Govt.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:43:32 PM EDT
And none of you guys believed John Titor

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:43:49 PM EDT
Nope. No civil war.

Read this.

Warning: It's LONG.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:44:51 PM EDT
Have you changed your tinfoil yet this week?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:44:51 PM EDT
Bring it on now. It's coming, might as well get it over with. Probably wont do much good, though, other than to kill most of the people who resist whatever side the .gov is on.
matthew
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:49:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Have you changed your tinfoil yet this week?



Already been asked
Look above.

Easy to be skeptical and if it happens no one will ever remember this thread. This shit ain't right. Things don't feel right. We'll see, I guess, but throughout history there have been watershed events which precipitated others and which eventually become a chain reaction of sorts.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:50:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:51:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 7:52:48 PM EDT by JoseCuervo]

revolution

n
1: a drastic and far-reaching change in ways of thinking and behaving; "the industrial revolution was also a cultural revolution"
2: the overthrow of a government by those who are governed
3: a single complete turn (axial or orbital); "the plane made three rotations before it crashed"; "the revolution of the earth about the sun takes one year"





I'm thinking about behaving in drastic and far-reaching ways myself. hoped

Rob
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:53:33 PM EDT
I don't have any plans this weekend. I'll join up with the your noble cause.

But I gota be back at work on Monday for my 9-6 desk job, you understand.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:56:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:

I'm thinking about behaving in drastic and far-reaching ways myself.

I hoped I never live to see the day we are seeing today.

Rob



And now that you are you think what?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 7:59:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fxntime:

Originally Posted By vktshooter:

Originally Posted By LTVN68:
Slowly but surely rights are traded for security......freedom dies.
But it is not dead yet and thanks to AR15.com



I think the staff here condones the types of behavior in this country that will lead to civil war. Don't you pay attention???



No, as I have seen NONE of them post. Besides,even the founding Fathers acknowledged that it might be neccesary from time to time to keep the Govt from becoming evil and overpowering. I believe they saw it as a natural event depending on the people's ire at the Govt.



Are you a moran? You have nowhere come close to a complete thought. If you have a point state it.

Obviously you have a single track mind, I was refering to posts they remove or edit/sensor. I'll donate money so you can buy tinfoil, you are in need.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:00:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 8:03:02 PM EDT by JoseCuervo]
from Rebel_Marine:

And now that you are you think what?

That this convoy and island business is sounding good. I am really sad, I am sure it's going to take me a few days to get a grip on my feelings. A lot of anger here too. Do I buy the PVC pipe and bury 'em? Is it time to organize, everyone, big time? I am not sure what my plans are. I just feel that this after today, really is no longer America.

Rob

PS; my screen name was handy at the time. Local one hundred percent Infidel.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:00:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 8:01:02 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]

Police and National Guard going house to house, confiscating guns.


Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:01:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Loosen up your tinfoil there Sparky.



pull your head out of your ass sonny
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:05:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
from Rebel_Marine:

And now that you are you think what?

That this convoy and island business is sounding good. I am really sad, I am sure it's going to take me a few days to get a grip on my feelings. A lot of anger here too. Do I buy the PVC pipe and bury 'em? Is it time to organize, everyone, big time? I am not sure what my plans are. I just feel that this after today, really is no longer America.

Rob

PS; my screen name was handy at the time. Local one hundred percent Infidel.



Heheh.

Just like I said in another thread, "America is dead." At least the one we knew. There is no social fabric, there is apparently little that binds us together. At least that is what I am seeing.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:06:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KBaker:
Nope. No civil war.

Read this.

Warning: It's LONG.



have you listened to Jesse Jackson or al sharpton lately? (like yesterday and today) You give those guys a pulpit and they willwhip the masses into a frenzy.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:15:05 PM EDT
People usually will not revolt en masse unless they don't have the bare necesities. I would have a VERY hard time invisioning any kind of civil war unless things got a heck of a lot worse for a heck of a lot more people than is the case now. Selective and wide spread political assasinations though.....?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:16:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rsqhobbs:
People usually will not revolt en masse unless they don't have the bare necesities. I would have a VERY hard time invisioning any kind of civil war unless things got a heck of a lot worse for a heck of a lot more people than is the case now. Selective and wide spread political assasinations though.....?



What do you think the re-election slogan will be for the current LA governor???
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:18:24 PM EDT
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

-Patrick Henry




Originally Posted By KBaker:
Nope. No civil war.

Read this.

Warning: It's LONG.



So what's your point?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:19:18 PM EDT

Selective and wide spread political assasinations though.....?


No, that's not quite what I meant by organizing, but an island (or island of land here somewhere) to make a stand. Like Texas. Dissolved from the law of the land that was cut to ribbons today. Defensive positioning. Like I sad before, my thoughts won't be sharp for a few days, too much emotion.

Rob
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:26:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:

Selective and wide spread political assasinations though.....?


No, that's not quite what I meant by organizing, but an island (or island of land here somewhere) to make a stand. Like Texas. Dissolved from the law of the land that was cut to ribbons today. Defensive positioning. Like I sad before, my thoughts won't be sharp for a few days, too much emotion.

Rob



I hear ya.
I think we have to hold our own where we are though. Of course some places are so ridiculously screwed that to remain there may not be a tenable option for those there. I know I can do my part best right where I am. I wish I knew more people I trusted.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:26:52 PM EDT
What do I think will be the re-election slogan for the LA governor? The same as you. "It was all Bush's fault."
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:28:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 8:38:15 PM EDT by FordGuy]

Originally Posted By rsqhobbs:
People usually will not revolt en masse unless they don't have the bare necesities. I would have a VERY hard time invisioning any kind of civil war unless things got a heck of a lot worse for a heck of a lot more people than is the case now. Selective and wide spread political assasinations though.....?



you mean, like in new orleans right now? If you only knew. Mass evac can happen in YOUR town bud. You learned a lot in 24 hours in September of 01. Yet you and people like you still refuse to believe there are events outside the boundary of your childlike imagination which can change your world. If you only knew what was just beyond your flame. You and people like you only believe it when you see it, only react when it is too late, and having not ever imagined it to be possible, failed to prepare for it.

You and people like you had a hard time envisioning planes used as weapons, what more is out there waiting to surprise you, outside the light of your little fire? Are those planes the last surprise you will ever have? No one gets up in the morning and says, "I think I will have a horrible accident today" yet people die every day. If you only knew, you would have stayed in bed.

EDIT: one last comment: you people who say "never happen" are thinking inside a paridigm you obtained in 7th grade history, when our schools still taught such a subject. (now it is "humanities" and it is more about opression of the black man by the white man). Your paradigm will NEVER re-occur. There will never bee blue coats versus gray coats. Never be another "litle round top." Does that mean there will never be another civil war? Can Civl war only mean the thing you learned about in your history book? Is it always fought with a kentucky long rifle?

Can they really make a building implode with an airplane?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:30:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:

Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
from Rebel_Marine:

And now that you are you think what?

That this convoy and island business is sounding good. I am really sad, I am sure it's going to take me a few days to get a grip on my feelings. A lot of anger here too. Do I buy the PVC pipe and bury 'em? Is it time to organize, everyone, big time? I am not sure what my plans are. I just feel that this after today, really is no longer America.

Rob

PS; my screen name was handy at the time. Local one hundred percent Infidel.



Heheh.

Just like I said in another thread, "America is dead." At least the one we knew. There is no social fabric, there is apparently little that binds us together. At least that is what I am seeing.hinking.gif



Times change. Either you adapt or you die. Funny how most of the people here are 100% prepared for a PAW (Post Apoctolyptic World) or when the SHTF but can't seem to deal with a little social change. EVERY generation looks back and says "oh man, when I was young things were better" but is that really the case? Last time I checked America is alive and well even though it's not like you remember it...

Shoot, it's not even like I remember it. 15 year olds are passing themselves off as 21 year olds at clubs with their fakes. You gotta check ID, and i mean REALLY check before you do something illegal these days
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:33:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:

Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
from Rebel_Marine:

And now that you are you think what?

That this convoy and island business is sounding good. I am really sad, I am sure it's going to take me a few days to get a grip on my feelings. A lot of anger here too. Do I buy the PVC pipe and bury 'em? Is it time to organize, everyone, big time? I am not sure what my plans are. I just feel that this after today, really is no longer America.

Rob

PS; my screen name was handy at the time. Local one hundred percent Infidel.



Heheh.

Just like I said in another thread, "America is dead." At least the one we knew. There is no social fabric, there is apparently little that binds us together. At least that is what I am seeing.



Times change. Either you adapt or you die. Funny how most of the people here are 100% prepared for a PAW (Post Apoctolyptic World) or when the SHTF but can't seem to deal with a little social change. EVERY generation looks back and says "oh man, when I was young things were better" but is that really the case? Last time I checked America is alive and well even though it's not like you remember it...

Shoot, it's not even like I remember it. 15 year olds are passing themselves off as 21 year olds at clubs with their fakes. You gotta check ID, and i mean REALLY check before you do something illegal these days



Can't get logged onto DU?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:34:03 PM EDT
Gordon, I'm pretty sure the trampling of the BOR and the Consitution won't pass as "a little social change" for most folks here. JMO

Rob
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:34:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:

Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
from Rebel_Marine:

And now that you are you think what?

That this convoy and island business is sounding good. I am really sad, I am sure it's going to take me a few days to get a grip on my feelings. A lot of anger here too. Do I buy the PVC pipe and bury 'em? Is it time to organize, everyone, big time? I am not sure what my plans are. I just feel that this after today, really is no longer America.

Rob

PS; my screen name was handy at the time. Local one hundred percent Infidel.



Heheh.

Just like I said in another thread, "America is dead." At least the one we knew. There is no social fabric, there is apparently little that binds us together. At least that is what I am seeing.



Times change. Either you adapt or you die. Funny how most of the people here are 100% prepared for a PAW (Post Apoctolyptic World) or when the SHTF but can't seem to deal with a little social change. EVERY generation looks back and says "oh man, when I was young things were better" but is that really the case? Last time I checked America is alive and well even though it's not like you remember it...

Shoot, it's not even like I remember it. 15 year olds are passing themselves off as 21 year olds at clubs with their fakes. You gotta check ID, and i mean REALLY check before you do something illegal these days



Gordon Freeman - is it possible in your youth, and all the time you have spent playing Half Life 2, that youdon't know it all?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:35:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FordGuy:

Originally Posted By rsqhobbs:
People usually will not revolt en masse unless they don't have the bare necesities. I would have a VERY hard time invisioning any kind of civil war unless things got a heck of a lot worse for a heck of a lot more people than is the case now. Selective and wide spread political assasinations though.....?



you mean, like in new orleans right now? If you only knew. Mass evac can happen in YOUR town bud. You learned a lot in 24 hours in September of 01. Yet you and people like you still refuse to believe there are events outside the boundary of your childlike imagination which can change your world. If you only knew what was just beyond your flame. You and people like you only believe it when you see it, only react when it is too late, and having not ever imagined it to be possible, failed to prepare for it.

You and people like you had a hard time envisioning planes used as weapons, what more is out there waiting to surprise you, outside the light of your little fire? Are those planes the last surprise you will ever have? No one gets up in the morning and says, "I think I will have a horrible accident today" yet people die every day. If you only knew, you would have stayed in bed.



Absolutely.
2 weeks ago, if I came along and told you that New Orleans would be destroyed, bodies everywhere, looting, rape, gruesome murders, enormous racial hatred, that it would be every man for himself, government would totally let everyone down on every level....Who'd have believed it?

My wife didn't either when I told her this shit was going to happen night before Katrina hit NO.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:47:35 PM EDT
I almost took that blog seriously until I read the comments where they say emigration is the answer the moon being a week away and Mars and the belt being 3 months away. Huh????
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:08:26 PM EDT
Hey Fordguy. Read the original post then read my reply. Do you really see a sizeable group of Americans joining together for a popular uprising? I'll bet a good part of the members here have never even written their elected officials about 2A issues.
I don't know where in my reply you get that I am some kind of short-visioned fool with my head stuck in the sand. I take the future very seriously, and prepare accordingly. I've been to disaster areas a few times in the past. Emergency response is what I do.
If you want to lash out at somebody for no good reason, I guess I'm as good as anyone. Piss off.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:12:03 PM EDT
I always find it truly amazing how, even in the face of our being disarmed, ARFCOMMERS can snip and snap and clip at each other.

If the people who want to take our weapons knew just how fractionated, self-righteous, and back-stabbing we all are, then they'd send a 13-year-old semi-retarded girl with a rubberband gun to confiscate our weapons.

Arfcommers'd be turnin' each other in, double-dealing...

Come on, people! Now is the time TO GET IT TOGETHER!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:36:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By samsong:
I always find it truly amazing how, even in the face of our being disarmed, ARFCOMMERS can snip and snap and clip at each other.

If the people who want to take our weapons knew just how fractionated, self-righteous, and back-stabbing we all are, then they'd send a 13-year-old semi-retarded girl with a rubberband gun to confiscate our weapons.

Arfcommers'd be turnin' each other in, double-dealing...

Come on, people! Now is the time TO GET IT TOGETHER!



+1

Plan accordingly...
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 5:47:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

-Patrick Henry




Originally Posted By KBaker:
Nope. No civil war.

Read this.

Warning: It's LONG.



So what's your point?

That you're not going to get 1/3 of the population to arm up against another 1/3 and go to war to see who's going to run the place.

In a state of psychological weakness, weapons become a burden for the capitulating side. To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die; there is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time and betrayal. - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Instead of a civil war, we get to watch society collapse from within like the Romans did. The barbarians aren't outside the walls, there in here with us already. They're our neighbors.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:57:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By samsong:
I always find it truly amazing how, even in the face of our being disarmed, ARFCOMMERS can snip and snap and clip at each other.

If the people who want to take our weapons knew just how fractionated, self-righteous, and back-stabbing we all are, then they'd send a 13-year-old semi-retarded girl with a rubberband gun to confiscate our weapons.

Arfcommers'd be turnin' each other in, double-dealing...

Come on, people! Now is the time TO GET IT TOGETHER!



No shit, huh?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:04:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 9:06:21 AM EDT by Rebel_Marine]

Originally Posted By KBaker:

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

-Patrick Henry




Originally Posted By KBaker:
Nope. No civil war.

Read this.

Warning: It's LONG.



So what's your point?

That you're not going to get 1/3 of the population to arm up against another 1/3 and go to war to see who's going to run the place.



That's the way civil wars end, not the way they start. Unrest often begins will small scale, seemingly innocuous events that gradually build. I could say the same for a lot of wars in general though.



In a state of psychological weakness, weapons become a burden for the capitulating side. To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die; there is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time and betrayal. - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Instead of a civil war, we get to watch society collapse from within like the Romans did. The barbarians aren't outside the walls, there in here with us already. They're our neighbors.



Within and without it would seem. I wonder how many americans would actually help our enemies. My feeling is that the number is small but significant.
Also have got to say it is because of how many are within that I would expect Civil War before war perpetrated by foreign govt's and forces.

You are absolutely correct though, that nations are destroyed from within before conquered from without. I guess that is the point of this thread.
You are also correct that the parallels between our nation and Rome are considerable.
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