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Posted: 9/3/2009 3:10:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2009 3:18:22 PM EST by capnrob97]
I vote ESL.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:14:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I vote ESL.


Maybe a year ago when the population there was still being oppressed by a racist cracka government, but not anymore in this era of hope and change.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:16:26 PM EST
ESL.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:16:34 PM EST
Detroit, hands down.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:16:49 PM EST
I used to live in ESL as a kid. Fuck that place. I refuse to even go near that area.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:18:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I vote ESL.


I do too because in Detroit, the good guys can carry loaded guns.

Not in ESL.

John
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:19:34 PM EST
Detroit by far,as Detroit has a helluva lot more down'n out industry.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:24:44 PM EST
Never been to Detroit but passed through SL a few years ago. It was truly appalling.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:26:09 PM EST
Detroit still has this, ESL (in IL) is nowhere near this.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:36:38 PM EST
ESL.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:40:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:45:48 PM EST
ESL has never had to have the 82nd Abn come to the rescue either. The GM HQ? That's a facade. Go just beyond downtown,and it turns lots of ugly real quick.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:46:09 PM EST
I've never been to Detroit, but ESL is pretty fucking scary. Reminds me of a zombie movie.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:48:19 PM EST
How do the two compare to Nashville?
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:56:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By N1Rampage:
How do the two compare to Nashville?

Not near as bad,both ESL and Detroit have been flat out run into the ground.

Don't know much about ESL,other than been there many times. But Detroit? Been there many more times than I can count. The riots of '67,inept management,white flight to the suburbs,and the up-and down fortunes of it's one industry,automobiles,have turned Detroit into a wasteland. Almost nothing is torn down,but left to rot and decay.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 3:58:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By kevthebassman:
I've never been to Detroit, but ESL is pretty fucking scary. Reminds me of a zombie movie.


Escape From New York was filmed in East St. Louis.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:02:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Darrellbear:
Originally Posted By kevthebassman:
I've never been to Detroit, but ESL is pretty fucking scary. Reminds me of a zombie movie.


Escape From New York was filmed in East St. Louis.

Interesting.

Makes sense too.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:05:22 PM EST
I'll say Memphis as my write in candidate.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:08:20 PM EST
Detroit has some form of industry, East Saint Louis is just full of trash.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:10:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By Harvster:
I'll say Memphis as my write in candidate.


Not even close to ESL.

Cops don't even get off the interstate in ESL.

You want to be safe in ESL? Keep rollin on the interstate until thru it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:10:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I vote ESL.


Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:12:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2009 4:14:00 PM EST by gunsho11b]
Ive been through both cities and from my observation Id say per capita, ESL, but Detroit is worse overall simply because its a bigger city.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:15:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2009 4:16:05 PM EST by RockHard13F]
I lived in St Louis for 2 years, and once accidently (right after I moved there) missed my exit on the interstate, and the next exit was in East St Louis. I got off there to find out the onramp was closed, and I had to drive around for 10 minutes, a white guy in a lifted Land Rover, looking for the way back onto the interstate the right direction. I had a taillight out and was CCW. It was the first time I was really not concerned at all about being pulled over, even though I was suddenly in a state where I couldn't legally carry the HK strapped to my belt. I was rather, instead, greatful to be armed.

Especially when I was going by the big spray painted "Whities Keep Out!" right after I got off the exit...

-Ben
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:16:23 PM EST
how about Gary, IN?
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:17:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By slo40:
Detroit has some form of industry, East Saint Louis is just full of trash.
Most of Detroit's industry is actually outside of Detroit proper,and even that is going to hell in a handbasket.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:19:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:19:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2009 4:21:17 PM EST by capnrob97]
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:20:14 PM EST
ESL




IBTP
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:21:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2009 4:24:53 PM EST by dirtface]
why don't they level that old shit already..ESL

I spent the night in a crappy ass motel in WSL once about 18 years ago. Even that side of town was shit.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:23:46 PM EST
Detroit


This building is this there....
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:31:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By NotDeaf:
Detroit
http://www.vagabondish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/michigan-central-station.jpg

This building is this there....

Is that abandoned?
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:33:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:

Originally Posted By NotDeaf:
Detroit
http://www.vagabondish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/michigan-central-station.jpg

This building is this there....

Is that abandoned?

Yep,been that way for maybe 20 years. And that's just a taste.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:36:45 PM EST
interesting.

ost
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:40:39 PM EST
The 2 pics of ESL posted so far are visible from i-70.

If that's what they show passers by, imagine what it looks like off the beaten path.

ESL is bad.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:40:54 PM EST
ESL
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:44:23 PM EST
Tough call but I have to give a slight edge to ESL. BTW, the worst race riot on US soil happened there many many years ago.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:44:57 PM EST
ESL

I have been lost in Detroit and I have been lost in East St Louis.

...missed an exit ramp both times.

East St Louis for The Winner !
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:46:14 PM EST
I've never been to ESL, but Detroit would be hard to beat.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:47:28 PM EST
Neither. Memphis.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:47:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:50:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2009 4:51:54 PM EST by brasidas]
Detroit seems like a very interesting place.







Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:50:55 PM EST
You gotta throw bonus points to ESL for being home to PT's.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:53:18 PM EST
I've been to both and can't decide.

I vote nuke them both and see which one burns the longest.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:55:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:57:42 PM EST
ESL
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 4:57:54 PM EST
Having only been to Detroit, it gets my vote.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 5:01:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By GaryM:
Tough call but I have to give a slight edge to ESL. BTW, the worst race riot on US soil happened there many many years ago.
Detroit's riot of '67 would have been worse if the NG hadn't have brought the -48s and 113s. Ma Duece's are pretty good at quelling riots.


Detroit,not so long ago,was one of the top 5 US big cities,and that's just Detroit.

Link Posted: 9/3/2009 5:06:01 PM EST
Detriot due to much larger size.

But by square mile ESL would have it.

Quite a few of you say Memphis. Makes me wonder how much travel you've done. Ever been to ESL or Detriot. Much worse than Memphis. Yes I've seen all three.
Link Posted: 9/3/2009 5:11:41 PM EST
That's what happened after the '67 riots,known as "White Flight". The whole city administration became a bunch of crooks'n thugs. Shitty mayors and city councils.

It's not really fair to compare ESL with Detroit,as Detroit is so much bigger. A more apt comparison would be Flint or Gary vs ESL,and yet that might not even be a good comparison. ESL really didn't have a big industry like Flint or Gary that went downhill fast.

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