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Posted: 12/13/2001 3:29:26 PM EDT
The REAL thing sheessssh I have to get that out of the way first .[;)] Now: Myself I like a Macanudo because it is mild. What else would be close to this type. Being fairly new to Cigars but I gotta say they are quite good. Your thoughts!
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:34:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 3:26:39 PM EDT by Coz_45-age-caliber]
If you can't get your hands and lighter on a Cuban Montecristo, you can hardly go wrong with an Arturo Fuente. They are not cheap, especially Fuente Hemingways, which by the way are better than the even more expensive Fuente Opus X. A good Punch with a dark wrapper is an excellent lower cost smoke. Again, if someone offers you a genuine Cuban Montecristo number 4. Take it. You will not regret it. I personally think the Macanudos are a bit to mild for me, but if you're new to cigars they are perfectly acceptable. Try a Partagas, I think they have some excellent smokes also. IMHO [smoke]
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:37:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 3:32:46 PM EDT by propguy]
Originally Posted By Coz_45-age-caliber: If you can't get your hands and lighter on a Cuban Montecristo, you can hardly go wrong with an Arturo Fuente. They are not cheap, especially Fuente Hemingways, which by the way are better than the even more expensive Fuente Opus X. A good Punch with a dark wrapper is an excellent lower cost smoke. Again, if someone offers you a genuine Cuban Montecristo number 4. Take it. You will not regret it. I personally think the Macanudos are a bit to mild for me, but if you're new to cigars they are perfectly acceptable. Try a Partagas, I think they have some excellent smokes also. IMHO [smoke]
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I am righting and typing at the same time thanks for the info will let ya know.[^]
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:37:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:38:39 PM EDT
Try here: [url]www.finckcigarcompany.com[/url]
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:41:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Coz_45-age-caliber: If you can't get your hands and lighter on a Cuban Montecristo, you can hardly go wrong with an Arturo Fuente. They are not cheap, especially Fuente Hemingways, which by the way are better than the even more expensive Fuente Opus X. A good Punch with a dark wrapper is an excellent lower cost smoke. Again, if someone offers you a genuine Cuban Montecristo number 4. Take it. You will not regret it. I personally think the Macanudos are a bit to mild for me, but if you're new to cigars they are perfectly acceptable. Try a Partagas, I think they have some excellent smokes also. IMHO [smoke]
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Every brand you just mentioned is exellent but all are too strong for a beginner. The next step maybe should be a Partagas.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:43:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 3:36:25 PM EDT by WalkerTexasRanger]
I used to own a shop so have sampled every brand under the sun. If you like the Mac, they are mild, try a La Flor Dominicana. Not the 2000 series but the basic line. They are slightly stronger than a Mac, but much better flavored. Also try a Baccarat. They have a slightly sweet taste and also mild to medium bodied. Work your way up to the stronger cigars. As posted above, the Fuente Hemingway, Short Story in particular, ROCK. They are med. bodied and full of flavor. Properly aged Cuban cigars are clearly the best in the world, but you wont appreciate them when just getting started. If you get the chance to buy any, do so, stick them in a humidor and forget about them for a year or so and by the time you are ready, you will have one DAMN fine cigar. Smokes Up....
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:45:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 3:40:02 PM EDT by propguy]
Originally Posted By WalkerTexasRanger: I used to own a shop so have sampled every brand under the sun. If you like the Mac, they are mild, try a La Flor Dominicana. Not the 2000 series but the basic line. They are slightly stronger than a Mac, but much better flavored. Also try a Baccarat. They have a slightly sweet taste and also mild to medium bodied. Work your way up to the stronger cigars. As posted above, the Fuente Hemingway, Short Story in particular, ROCK. They are med. bodied and full of flavor. Properly aged Cuban cigars are clearly the best in the world, but you wont appreciate them when just getting started. If you get the chance to buy any, do so, stick them in a humidor and forget about them for a year or so and by the time you are ready, you will have one DAMN fine cigar. Smokes Up....
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I did buy a humidor and a few smokes how long will they last if I buy a box. I do see all the online shops are they pretty good cause you really dont know how they are stored.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:46:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 3:40:28 PM EDT by Coz_45-age-caliber]
Didn't I mention Partagas? [b]Originally posted by COZ_45-AGE-CALIBER I personally think the Macanudos are a bit to mild for me, but if you're new to cigars they are perfectly acceptable. Try a Partagas, I think they have some excellent smokes also.[/b] I actually started off on strong then, cause I loved Arturo Fuente smokes immediately, but I have had people say that they were strong or spicy. I guess I like strong cigars. I never smoked cigarettes, so that surprises me ( I did smoke some "roll your owns" but the tobacco wasn't store bought....back in the day) [8P]
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:47:53 PM EDT
Properly stored cigars last a VERY LONG time. Years. Improperly, not so long. Watch your moisture and temp and enjoy.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:51:32 PM EDT
One more thing that damn ring size how do you guage it is their a set standard say the mac. portafino is a nice size for this rookie.[BD]
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:52:09 PM EDT
Propguy, A properly maintained humidor will keep cigars indefinalty. I would not recommend buying any boxes yet, keep sampling until you find what you really like. Variety is the spice of life. Also, you will find that like beer, different flavors appeal at different times. Best advice I can give a beginner is to go buy Cigar Aficionado, or log onto their site and do a little reading. They can give basic storing instructions and recs. Back to your question, a box of Cubans really NEEDS to age at least five years before they reach peak flavor. THis also applies to most stronger cigars. A Mac will not get much better, but a Fuente will. I have many cigars 10 years old, and try to wait at least 5 before even beginning on the box.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:54:10 PM EDT
Portofinos are a like a 38 ring gague, pretty skinny. Also, a Mac that is a 50 like a duke of Windsor, will taste stronger than a Portofino. The bigger the gague, the more smoke and stronger flavor even within a brand.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:56:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WalkerTexasRanger: Propguy, A properly maintained humidor will keep cigars indefinalty. I would not recommend buying any boxes yet, keep sampling until you find what you really like. Variety is the spice of life. Also, you will find that like beer, different flavors appeal at different times. Best advice I can give a beginner is to go buy Cigar Aficionado, or log onto their site and do a little reading. They can give basic storing instructions and recs. Back to your question, a box of Cubans really NEEDS to age at least five years before they reach peak flavor. THis also applies to most stronger cigars. A Mac will not get much better, but a Fuente will. I have many cigars 10 years old, and try to wait at least 5 before even beginning on the box.
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[:O] Wow I will do some research Thanks rng Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:58:12 PM EDT
A great experiement for you would be to buy several sizes within a brand, and see how the flavor differs. Also, you will find that you gravitate to a specific size. I prefer robustos as they are traditionally the strongest, most full bodied, and most flavorful, but not such the time committment as say a double corona.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 4:04:52 PM EDT
Coz, I see you on the thread here, any word from DPS on your CHL. I have not heard anything back and am assuming no news is good news...
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 5:55:43 PM EDT
I like padrons and CAO. I had a really good romeo y julietta the other day. Probably not good ones to start off on though. If you'd like to try medium, maybe try a H. Uppman 2000.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 6:36:54 PM EDT
Thats why I like Germany........a ten minute walk downtown and I have Cuban cigars....no restrictions [:D]........sorry had to rub it in......... [smoke]
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 9:05:06 PM EDT
Werent' cigars recently linked to accelerated deafness in those who are geneticaly predisposed ?
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 9:22:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Axel: Werent' cigars recently linked to accelerated deafness in those who are geneticaly predisposed ?
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And? So? WTF's your point and so on!
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 10:54:58 PM EDT
A great reference site with forums and TONS of links is [url]www.cigargroup.com[/url] As far as online dealers, I really like [url]www.arabicigar.com[/url]. There are places out there with better prices, but not by much when you look at that they include two day air shipping in the price. The service I have received from them is better than excellent, they often throw in a new cigar in the box to try out and the last order a copy of SMOKE magazine was included. I once received a box from them with the lable split. I emailed them that I thought this was not good and they shipped me a new box that day and told me not to ship back the other box, so basically I got two boxes for the price of one. The way customer service should be handled.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 4:01:27 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/14/2001 4:18:22 AM EDT
I prefer Dunhill Altamiras or Cabreras when I can find them. The 1989s have been gone for a couple of years now - the 1994s aren't nearly as good. The Punch Grand Cru maduro is awesome too. QS
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 4:44:17 AM EDT
1) Cub. Montecristo #2 (torpedo) 2) Cub. Bolivar Belicoso (also torpedo) 3) Cub. Partagas #4 (robusto) 4) Cub. Cohiba Esplendido (Big One) 5) Cub. Cohiba Robusto 6) Dom. Davidoff Aniversario #2 (smmmoooth)
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 5:26:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2001 5:19:55 AM EDT by scromer]
If you are new and like the Macanudo, try a Macanudo Robust (dark green box). Thay have a bit more flavor but are not strong like some of the smokes mentioned above. I prefer the Macanudo Robust Hampton Court which is a 43 x 5.75 and comes idividually packed in cedar lined tubes. If you continue enjoying cigars, you will probably begin to sample the stonger ones, but Macanudo is a great place to start. check out [url]http://www.jrcigars.com/[/url]
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 6:49:55 AM EDT
WalkerTxRanger, No I have not heard back, but I do have a gap in my employment history on my CHL app. I sent it in right before Thanksgiving, and got the return receipt on the certified mailing, so I know they got it. Glad to hear you could resolve it over the phone. Cheers
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 7:17:08 AM EDT
Don't buy Cuban cigars cause then you are supporting communism, you lefty bastards. [:D]
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 7:27:12 AM EDT
I lean to the stronger smokes and really enjoy the LaGloria Cubana Wavell in Maduro made in Miami. The ones from the DR are ok but the Miami made stick is primo IMHO. If you're looking for a milder smoke try the Montesino line from Arturo Fuente. Same factory, milder smoke and less expensive. [smoke] [smoke]
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 9:32:42 AM EDT
retrodog, No actually we're supporting the distributors who make all the damn money on the Cuban cigars. Interestingly enough, the best wrappers for the Best Cuban cigars are from Connecticut. So, I guess a portion of each Cuban cigar price goes to Conn.? It's a stupid law that does not allow import of the Cigars. If you have permission to fly USA to Cuba and back, which can be had via State dept....though not easily, you can bring back two boxes for personal use. So, what the hell kind of embargo is that? I always buy Cubans when I fly overseas. Just like all those folk who buy foreign cars from our previous enemies. (Japan/Germany/Italy) Isn't France's HMF a socialist?
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 9:56:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Coz_45-age-caliber: retrodog, It's a stupid law that does not allow import of the Cigars. If you have permission to fly USA to Cuba and back, which can be had via State dept....though not easily, you can bring back two boxes for personal use. So, what the hell kind of embargo is that?
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It's probabaly a loop-hole Kennedy put in so he can keep smoking. He made sure he had a good stash before the embargo went into effect. In any case, Cuban cigars are overrated. Due to Castro's need for foreign cash, he cranked up production of cigars, and quality went down. I was in France in May, and smoked a couple of Cohibas; one was rolled too tight and the other smoked unevenly. There are many other Honduran and Dominican cigars that smoke just as good, if not better, than Cubans out there.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 10:19:24 AM EDT
Ok all, The best place to buy cigars is www.phatash.com they are without a doubt the best.I have ordered from them several times and they rule.It cost 5 bucks to ship no matter how big the order is, Once I ordered 20 boxes and still only 5 bucks to ship.And if I order by Tuesday I have them by Friday. As far as favorites.. I really only smoke dominicans because I inhale and they are so mild. Never liked hondurans much, They have a funky taste and don't inhale well. The theory is if I am spending that much I may as well enjoy it by inhaling it. Might sound crazy but if it is mild it is not much differnt than a filterless cigarette. 1) AVO & Montecristo 2) Romeo Y Julieta & Cohiba in either Cuban or dominican. 3) Don Diego I am always looking for a new smoke though so I buy singles at the local shop and see what I like then order them from phatash. I can usually save about 30-50%. Good luck and happy smoking. GSX
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 11:12:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2001 11:06:31 AM EDT by retrodog]
"I always buy Cubans when I fly overseas. Just like all those folk who buy foreign cars from our previous enemies. (Japan/Germany/Italy)" posted by Coz_45-age-caliber Well last time I checked, Japan nor Germany nor Italy were communistic. They might be socialist though but that is mostly an economic decision. I am for all-out full-blown trade with Cuba. So excessive that it will introduce capitalism and the walls of communism/socialism will topple over. BUT!!!,,, low level support by periodic vacationing, purchasing their goods (cigars) and such merely serve to support the continuation of the current government/socio-economic structure. So either give them NOTHING or make them take it ALL. Anybody buying Cuban products on a casual basis is just supporting Castro and his henchmen. [pissed] (edited cause I can't spell when I'm on my soapbox).
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 11:34:35 AM EDT
Oh man....friend of mine got married last December..... His dad works for a cigar company....I want to say it was Consolidated Cigar, but not positive. Guy brings a box of Monte Cristo to the reception. Now, I am by no means learned when it comes to cigars, but this was big. I'd say it could fit at least 250 or more cigars inside. It was also numbered....it was like 6xx of 1000. We snagged a bunch and then adjourned(minus the bride and groom) to the local sports bar for our own party. Man, those were some great cigars. Very smooth.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 11:49:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ratters: A great reference site with forums and TONS of links is [url]www.cigargroup.com[/url] .
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Yep...cigargroup rocks! That's my 'mold page' link at the bottom! I like big ring gauge and dark wrappers. But prefer to stay in robusto lengths.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 11:55:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2001 11:48:48 AM EDT by Coz_45-age-caliber]
retrodog, Just yankin your chain.... My father, to this day, does his best to avoid Japanese products, especially automobiles. I know, I know electronics and stuff, but anyway, it's his way of not forgetting the wounds from Manila and all of his friends he saw slaughtered on beaches and rocks in Luzon, Corregidor, Manila and hundreds of other islands in the South Pacific. He just don't like Japanese stuff. Now me. I'm gonna buy Cuban cigars and smoke em when and where I can. I think the Cuban embargo is a WFT (Waste of F___G Time) I don't believe I'm supporting communism any more than Cuba buying Connecticut wrappers for these cigars is supporting a representative republic (which the U.S. is really). For those of you who say Cuban cigars suck, you've probably been smoking Cohibas (way overpriced with a hard draw) or fakes. Real Montecristos, aged properly and kept properly are amazing. Almost like smoking a joint (at least that is what someone who knows what a joint does told me [8P] ) by the way, I drive American and usually buy american made firearms too......Dad's influence I guess. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 12:06:15 PM EDT
so whats a good cigar to start out with for us newbies?
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 12:13:59 PM EDT
cyrax777. I suggest you visit a local tobacconist and ask him. He should be able to suggest things in a friendly manner. The friendliest people I've ever met have been at smoke shops.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 12:53:23 PM EDT
Hey Coz_45-age-caliber, That's cool, it just depends on how you look at it I guess. I've got a Dodge Ram 4x4, vette, mustang GT and Miata. I drove my Miata to work last Friday cause it was built in Hiroshima. I appreciate the fact that the country who thought they would own the orient is now building me a car to drive to work on the International Space Station. [:D] I got a Kawasaki GPZ-1100 too but that is just cause there is no such thing as an American made sports tourer. Let alone quality and advanced engineering in a regular/performance motorcycle.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 1:09:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: so whats a good cigar to start out with for us newbies?
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cyrax My first was a PORTAFINO MACANUDO vey mild and very tasty ya can't miss em' I also think most macs are pretty mild I think. still a newbie
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 2:01:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/14/2001 2:38:57 PM EDT
Anyone else here start with Backwood Smokes? Looks so mild, tastes so wild? God those things sucked but you didn't know anybetter when you are 19. For Christmas when I was 20 my bro got me a box of Macanudu Maduros and then I started smoking Arturo Fuent Maduros. Then the boom happened and there was no way I was paying more than three bucks for a cigar so I quit for a while. Now it is just a guilty pleasure every month or so. Working through a box of H Uppman Hamilton torpedos right know. Great smoke.
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 3:04:16 PM EDT
If you try a COHIBA Robusto (from Dominican Republic), you may never be able to stop. By far one of the 3 BEST ever including Fuente Fuente OPUS X and Cuban Monticristo. I have found the "Lil Brown Smoke Shack" to be a courteous and reliable source. [url]www.lilbrown.com/brand.cfm?brand=COHIBA&cat=Premium%20Grade%20Cigars[/url]
Link Posted: 12/15/2001 4:13:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2001 4:06:08 PM EDT by WalkerTexasRanger]
Famoussmokehsop.com and holts.com have competitive prices. Also try Mikes Cigars in FLA. (don't know their website) One thing to watch out for when buying is to buy from the actual importer. There are many distributors/retailors out there selling Arture Fuente, but Holts is one of only three actual importers in the US, hence the best prices on AF period. Price a box of Short Story's, if you can find any anywhere else, and you will see. Holt's also takes backorders for hard to get smokes like AF Hemingway. WTR's top 5: 1. Partagas Serie D No.4 - Cuban 2. Romeo & Julieta Cedros # 3 - Cuban 3. Arturo Fuente Hemingway Short Story - Dom. 4. R & J Churchill - Cuban 5. Padron Anniversairo Principe - Nic.
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