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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:11:33 AM EDT
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Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:21:29 AM EDT
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There are unconfirmed reports in Janes that she has be named Shi LangSANK Fixed.... 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:26:58 AM EDT
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There are unconfirmed reports in Janes that she has be named Shi LangSANK Fixed.... Nah. Costs money to sink a carrier. We're broke. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:30:00 AM EDT
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Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings......
..................................... it'll sink all by itself! |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:31:43 AM EDT
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"A wave hit it."
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:42:37 AM EDT
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Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings...... ..................................... it'll sink all by itself! And it'll be empty when it happens 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:43:29 AM EDT
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"A wave hit it." To be fair..... who'd a thunk a wave would've hit it?
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:44:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yup. Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings...... ..................................... it'll sink all by itself!  |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:53:22 AM EDT
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It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have.
The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:59:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have. The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers. China is developing it's own variant (copy) of the Su-33 called the Shenyang J-15, it first flew in 2009 but probably won't be operational for another 5 years. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:04:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: "A wave hit it." To be fair..... who'd a thunk a wave would've hit it? Just as long as they tow it out of the environment, it's good. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:09:22 AM EDT
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Yup. Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings...... ..................................... it'll sink all by itself!
The whole thing fell off. 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:12:30 AM EDT
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Made by the same good people who brought you Chinese drywall !!
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:21:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have. The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers. China is developing it's own variant (copy) of the Su-33 called the Shenyang J-15, it first flew in 2009 but probably won't be operational for another 5 years. I am surprised nothing big has blown up over the Spratlys.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:25:00 AM EDT
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How long before the japs float one?
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:49:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: How long before the japs float one? I don't think they have the money. Their economy is horrible for >10 years. They also have somewhat of a pacifist culture. Besides the rest of Asia (remembering WWII) would be all up in arms. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:50:09 AM EDT
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My biggest fear of the Chinese aircraft carrier is who they blame when it sinks. It will sink. China values stealing other peoples' ideas. They don't care if it works as long as it looks good (to them.) Their goods are considered disposable or dangerous. They've become an economic force in terms of quantity, but they can't make a can of cat food or a sheet of drywall.
This is the legacy of communism. Their motto is "Fuck it." They get away with it when they make consumer goods because everyone expects their goods to be junk and avoids them if they expect quality. So they build the carrier Fuck It. It has too many stress points and precision systems. Poorly manufactured systems fail and multiple failures cause catastrophic failure. They can't admit that their military is just as inept as the rest of their country, but they're about to demonstrate it to the whole world. Their reaction will be bad. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 4:57:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: How long before the japs float one? Japan's constitution only allows then a self-defense force not an offensive navy. They recently launched two smaller through-deck helicopter carrier but describe them as helicopter destroyers. A full carrier would stretch the intent of their Constitution a lot further. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:05:03 AM EDT
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TAG for when its anchored in a bay and it eventually sinks and cock-blocks the whole bay entrance.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:25:58 AM EDT
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TAG for when its anchored in a bay and it eventually sinks and cock-blocks the whole bay entrance. "The front fell off..." Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:38:29 AM EDT
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I see one answer to this problem....
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:40:20 AM EDT
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Heres a picture that was smuggled out of China that shows said Aircraft carrier right before she began sea trials.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:43:51 AM EDT
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It will fail, and their first nuclear carrier will probably cause a huge ecological disaster somewhere.
BTW: the footings on that apartment building look like toothpicks trying to hold up a 4" long 2x4. 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:51:38 AM EDT
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I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly.
She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:54:32 AM EDT
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and that's how it happens
China sends container ships full of unnecessary plastic crap to Wal-Mart and Costco and we send them our money and they build aircraft carriers. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:57:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly. She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships. Wouldn't they get trained by the Russians like they normally do? |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:58:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Heres a picture that was smuggled out of China that shows said Aircraft carrier right before she began sea trials. http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/aircraft001.jpg?w=600 CVN-68 - they're trying to copy the Nimitz. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:04:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: How long before the japs float one? They do. It's called the USN. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:05:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: It will fail, and their first nuclear carrier will probably cause a huge ecological disaster somewhere. BTW: the footings on that apartment building look like toothpicks trying to hold up a 4" long 2x4. A four inch long 2x4 being supported by toothpicks...damn.  |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:07:51 AM EDT
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My biggest fear of the Chinese aircraft carrier is who they blame when it sinks. It will sink. China values stealing other peoples' ideas. They don't care if it works as long as it looks good (to them.) Their goods are considered disposable or dangerous. They've become an economic force in terms of quantity, but they can't make a can of cat food or a sheet of drywall. This is the legacy of communism. Their motto is "Fuck it." They get away with it when they make consumer goods because everyone expects their goods to be junk and avoids them if they expect quality. So they build the carrier Fuck It. It has too many stress points and precision systems. Poorly manufactured systems fail and multiple failures cause catastrophic failure. They can't admit that their military is just as inept as the rest of their country, but they're about to demonstrate it to the whole world. Their reaction will be bad. Keep in mind that they didn't "build" this one. It's an old Soviet carrier that they purchased, and have been gradually (over MANY years) been getting into seaworthy shape. I agree that if it had been built in China, it would go the way of the Wasa. 
But, since the Soviet design will keep it afloat, it will be a floating freak-show for years, with tons of mistakes, system failures, crashed planes and fuck-ups. Eventually, it will embolden them to build their own, and that will be when things really get funny. 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 6:09:22 AM EDT
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I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly. She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships. Wouldn't they get trained by the Russians like they normally do? Probably, but the Russians are still pissed off about the whole J-11 engine fiasco. Money fixes everything though. I would expect they paid the Russians to train some pilots on board the Admiral Kuznetsov, those guys will be the first to fly off the ex-Varyag. Video's will be taken, and distributed to show how great Communism is, then the new guys will get to find out how to land. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 7:47:14 AM EDT
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Ah the S.S. Ping Pong Ding Dong has set sail
Bottle rocket's to get the aircraft off the deck no doubt! |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 7:53:55 AM EDT
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funny that Taiwan just announced their 'carrier-killing' missile with a picture of China's new carrier in flames
link |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:02:23 AM EDT
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My biggest fear of the Chinese aircraft carrier is who they blame when it sinks. It will sink. China values stealing other peoples' ideas. They don't care if it works as long as it looks good (to them.) Their goods are considered disposable or dangerous. They've become an economic force in terms of quantity, but they can't make a can of cat food or a sheet of drywall. This is the legacy of communism. Their motto is "Fuck it." They get away with it when they make consumer goods because everyone expects their goods to be junk and avoids them if they expect quality. So they build the carrier Fuck It. It has too many stress points and precision systems. Poorly manufactured systems fail and multiple failures cause catastrophic failure. They can't admit that their military is just as inept as the rest of their country, but they're about to demonstrate it to the whole world. Their reaction will be bad. Keep in mind that they didn't "build" this one. It's an old Soviet carrier that they purchased, and have been gradually (over MANY years) been getting into seaworthy shape. I agree that if it had been built in China, it would go the way of the Wasa.
But, since the Soviet design will keep it afloat, it will be a floating freak-show for years, with tons of mistakes, system failures, crashed planes and fuck-ups. Eventually, it will embolden them to build their own, and that will be when things really get funny. I like you. You're such a ray of sunshine.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:02:45 AM EDT
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It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have. The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers. China is developing it's own variant (copy) of the Su-33 called the Shenyang J-15, it first flew in 2009 but probably won't be operational for another 5 years. I am surprised nothing big has blown up over the Spratlys.
This is a single modified version of a carrier class that wasn't exactly a screaming success in Russian service. Its nothing to make you run and learn Cantonese or anything.... |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:06:20 AM EDT
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How long before the japs float one? They don't call them "carriers" - they call them "helicopter destroyers" or some such.... 
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:09:03 AM EDT
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+1, I bet a <85% pilot survival rate for their first cruise.
I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly. She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:18:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business. Link? I don't think so. They've spent YEARS getting this thing they got from the Russians working. It will be several more years before it actually is operational, if it ever becomes so. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:20:38 AM EDT
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Well the news is being reported by the "state run newspaper" so I'm sure its 100% accurate with no journalistic liberties
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:22:59 AM EDT
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Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business. Link? I don't think so. They've spent YEARS getting this thing they got from the Russians working. It will be several more years before it actually is operational, if it ever becomes so. Washington Times It's no secret they want them, but they are being very quite about construction. Easier to coverup delays if nobody knows for certain they are being built IMO. |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:45:11 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 8/10/2011 9:55:36 AM EDT
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I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly. She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships. like bugs on a windshield |
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Posted: 8/10/2011 8:03:41 PM EDT
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So why would the Chinese be increasing their military budget 15% year-over-year for the past decade? What do they need to do now, that they didn't need to do 12 years ago? http://news.yahoo.com/troubled-waters-why-chinas-navy-makes-asia-nervous-015604003.html Check out these photos of their huge military celebration a couple of years ago...one thing comes to mind.... Sieg Heil! http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1927172_1957012,00.html |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:04:31 PM EDT
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First photo of the engine room posted on line!
Moh Stem!! |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 6:52:28 PM EDT
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"A wave hit it." It wasn't a wave, it was Godzzera...on no wait....that was Japan!!! 
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:39:56 PM EDT
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The People's Liberation ARMY Navy ... LOL What a friggin' joke. It will never be able to project power. They don't have any ASW experience. In conflict, it will make a fine artificial reef.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 7:42:58 PM EDT
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11 Aircraft carriers. France is closest with 2. I love it.
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:03:12 PM EDT
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They are still a long way behind the US but where will they be in 10 or 20 years? Well, since it takes about 7 years to build a US carrier, I'd say they'll be busy building their second identically spec'ed carrier in 10-20 years. |
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Posted: 8/11/2011 9:12:34 PM EDT
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How long before the japs float one? They could just buy one of the old CV's |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 9:26:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business. Link? I don't think so. They've spent YEARS getting this thing they got from the Russians working. It will be several more years before it actually is operational, if it ever becomes so. Washington Times It's no secret they want them, but they are being very quite about construction. Easier to coverup delays if nobody knows for certain they are being built IMO. Doesn't appear they've actually laid down anything yet... |
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