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Posted: 8/10/2011 3:08:41 AM EDT
They are still a long way behind the US but where will they be in 10 or 20 years?



There are unconfirmed reports in Janes that she has be named Shi Lang - Shi Lang is the name of the Chinese Admiral who conquered Taiwan in 1681.
















The aircraft carrier left its shipyard at Dalian Port in northeast Liaoning Province on Wednesday morning, Xinhua reported.




"Military sources said that the first sea trial was in line with the schedule of the carrier refitting project," it said.




"After returning from the sea trial, the aircraft carrier will continue refit and test work."





Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:11:33 AM EDT
Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:21:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MarkNH:
There are unconfirmed reports in Janes that she has be named Shi LangSANK



Fixed....
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:26:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:30:00 AM EDT
Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings......





..................................... it'll sink all by itself!
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:31:43 AM EDT
"A wave hit it."
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:42:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SrBenelli:
Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings......





..................................... it'll sink all by itself!


And it'll be empty when it happens
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:43:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CBags04:
"A wave hit it."



To be fair..... who'd a thunk a wave would've hit it?

Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:44:52 AM EDT



Originally Posted By SrBenelli:


Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings......

..................................... it'll sink all by itself!
Yup.








 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:53:22 AM EDT
It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have.



The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 3:59:31 AM EDT



Originally Posted By JRX35:


It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have.



The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers.


China is developing it's own variant (copy) of the Su-33 called the Shenyang J-15, it first flew in 2009 but probably won't be operational for another 5 years.

 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:04:20 AM EDT



Originally Posted By SrBenelli:



Originally Posted By CBags04:

"A wave hit it."






To be fair..... who'd a thunk a wave would've hit it?





Just as long as they tow it out of the environment, it's good.





 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:09:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By SrBenelli:
Hell.... if it was made by the same Chinese contractors who make bridges and hi-rise apartment buildings......
..................................... it'll sink all by itself!
Yup.

 


The whole thing fell off.  
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:12:30 AM EDT
Made by the same good people who brought you Chinese drywall !!
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:21:43 AM EDT



Originally Posted By MarkNH:





Originally Posted By JRX35:

It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have.



The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers.


China is developing it's own variant (copy) of the Su-33 called the Shenyang J-15, it first flew in 2009 but probably won't be operational for another 5 years.  



The sea trial carrier I see as a platform for them to experiment and get up to speed on carrier operations. I take back what I said about VSTOL. That Flanker variant is one big sucker.



I am surprised nothing big has blown up over the Spratlys.





 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:25:00 AM EDT
How long before the japs float one?
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:49:00 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Bones45:


How long before the japs float one?


I don't think they have the money.  Their economy is horrible for >10 years. They also have somewhat of a pacifist culture. Besides the rest of Asia (remembering WWII) would be all up in arms.

 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:50:09 AM EDT
My biggest fear of the Chinese aircraft carrier is who they blame when it sinks. It will sink. China values stealing other peoples' ideas. They don't care if it works as long as it looks good (to them.) Their goods are considered disposable or dangerous. They've become an economic force in terms of quantity, but they can't make a can of cat food or a sheet of drywall.

This is the legacy of communism. Their motto is "Fuck it." They get away with it when they make consumer goods because everyone expects their goods to be junk and avoids them if they expect quality. So they build the carrier Fuck It. It has too many stress points and precision systems. Poorly manufactured systems fail and multiple failures cause catastrophic failure. They can't admit that their military is just as inept as the rest of their country, but they're about to demonstrate it to the whole world. Their reaction will be bad.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 4:57:08 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Bones45:


How long before the japs float one?


Japan's constitution only allows then a self-defense force not an offensive navy. They recently launched two smaller through-deck helicopter carrier but describe them as helicopter destroyers. A full carrier would stretch the intent of their Constitution a lot further.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:05:03 AM EDT
TAG for when its anchored in a bay and it eventually sinks and cock-blocks the whole bay entrance.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:25:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
TAG for when its anchored in a bay and it eventually sinks and cock-blocks the whole bay entrance.


"The front fell off..."

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Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:38:29 AM EDT
I see one answer to this problem....


Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:40:20 AM EDT
Heres a picture that was smuggled out of China that shows said Aircraft carrier right before she began sea trials.

Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:43:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:51:38 AM EDT
I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly.

She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:54:32 AM EDT
and that's how it happens





China sends container ships full of unnecessary plastic crap to Wal-Mart and Costco and we send them our money and they build aircraft carriers.




Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:57:21 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Herc:


I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly.



She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships.


Wouldn't they get trained by the Russians like they normally do?  

 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 5:58:37 AM EDT



Originally Posted By WGPKlaus:


Heres a picture that was smuggled out of China that shows said Aircraft carrier right before she began sea trials.



http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/aircraft001.jpg?w=600


CVN-68 - they're trying to copy the Nimitz.

 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 6:04:49 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Bones45:


How long before the japs float one?


They do. It's called the USN.



 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 6:05:55 AM EDT



Originally Posted By mike_nds:


It will fail, and their first nuclear carrier will probably cause a huge ecological disaster somewhere.
BTW: the footings on that apartment building look like toothpicks trying to hold up a 4" long 2x4.


A four inch long 2x4 being supported by toothpicks...damn.

 





Link Posted: 8/10/2011 6:07:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 6:09:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JRX35:

Originally Posted By Herc:
I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly.

She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships.

Wouldn't they get trained by the Russians like they normally do?    


Probably, but the Russians are still pissed off about the whole J-11 engine fiasco. Money fixes everything though. I would expect they paid the Russians to train some pilots on board the Admiral Kuznetsov, those guys will be the first to fly off the ex-Varyag. Video's will be taken, and distributed to show how great Communism is, then the new guys will get to find out how to land.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 7:47:14 AM EDT
Ah the S.S. Ping Pong Ding Dong has set sail










Bottle rocket's to get the aircraft off the deck no doubt!
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 7:53:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2011 7:57:43 AM EDT by beernut]
funny that Taiwan just announced their 'carrier-killing' missile with a picture of China's new carrier in flames

link
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:02:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By sigp226:
My biggest fear of the Chinese aircraft carrier is who they blame when it sinks. It will sink. China values stealing other peoples' ideas. They don't care if it works as long as it looks good (to them.) Their goods are considered disposable or dangerous. They've become an economic force in terms of quantity, but they can't make a can of cat food or a sheet of drywall.

This is the legacy of communism. Their motto is "Fuck it." They get away with it when they make consumer goods because everyone expects their goods to be junk and avoids them if they expect quality. So they build the carrier Fuck It. It has too many stress points and precision systems. Poorly manufactured systems fail and multiple failures cause catastrophic failure. They can't admit that their military is just as inept as the rest of their country, but they're about to demonstrate it to the whole world. Their reaction will be bad.


Keep in mind that they didn't "build" this one.  It's an old Soviet carrier that they purchased, and have been gradually (over MANY years) been getting into seaworthy shape.

I agree that if it had been built in China, it would go the way of the Wasa.  


But, since the Soviet design will keep it afloat, it will be a floating freak-show for years, with tons of mistakes, system failures, crashed planes and fuck-ups.  Eventually, it will embolden them to build their own, and that will be when things really get funny.  



I like you.  You're such a ray of sunshine.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:02:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2011 8:09:10 AM EDT by Rick-OShay]
Originally Posted By JRX35:

Originally Posted By MarkNH:

Originally Posted By JRX35:
It makes sense that they want to expand their blue water navy especially when their economic power is on the rise and the same projection of force concept that we have.

The video in the link shows ramped takeoff suggesting VSTOL aircraft like our Harriers.

China is developing it's own variant (copy) of the Su-33 called the Shenyang J-15, it first flew in 2009 but probably won't be operational for another 5 years.  

The sea trial carrier I see as a platform for them to experiment and get up to speed on carrier operations. I take back what I said about VSTOL. That Flanker variant is one big sucker.

I am surprised nothing big has blown up over the Spratlys.

 


This is a single modified version of a carrier class that wasn't exactly a screaming success in Russian service.

Its nothing to make you run and learn Cantonese or anything....

Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:06:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bones45:
How long before the japs float one?


They don't call them "carriers"  - they call them "helicopter destroyers" or some such....



Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:09:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2011 8:09:55 AM EDT by Kharn]
Originally Posted By Herc:
I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly.

She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships.
+1, I bet a <85% pilot survival rate for their first cruise.

Kharn
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:18:26 AM EDT



Originally Posted By bigstick61:


Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business.


Link?  I don't think so.



They've spent YEARS getting this thing they got from the Russians working. It will be several more years before it actually is operational, if it ever becomes so.



 
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:20:38 AM EDT
Well the news is being reported by the "state run newspaper" so I'm sure its 100% accurate with no journalistic liberties
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:22:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ceverett:

Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business.

Link?  I don't think so.

They've spent YEARS getting this thing they got from the Russians working. It will be several more years before it actually is operational, if it ever becomes so.
 


Washington Times

It's no secret they want them, but they are being very quite about construction. Easier to coverup delays if nobody knows for certain they are being built IMO.
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:45:11 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 9:55:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Herc:
I'd love to watch the Chicom pilots try to land on a carrier, it could get ugly.

She's not going to sink though, say what you will about the Soviets, but they built decent ships.


like bugs on a windshield
Link Posted: 8/10/2011 8:03:41 PM EDT


So why would the Chinese be increasing their military budget 15% year-over-year for the past decade?  What do they need to do now, that they didn't need to do 12 years ago?



http://news.yahoo.com/troubled-waters-why-chinas-navy-makes-asia-nervous-015604003.html





Check out these photos of their huge military celebration a couple of years ago...one thing comes to mind....  Sieg Heil!



http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1927172_1957012,00.html



Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:04:31 PM EDT
First photo of the engine room posted on line!


Moh Stem!!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 6:52:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CBags04:
"A wave hit it."


It wasn't a wave, it was Godzzera...on no wait....that was Japan!!!
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 7:39:56 PM EDT
The People's Liberation ARMY Navy ... LOL     What a friggin' joke. It will never be able to project power. They don't have any ASW experience. In conflict, it will make a fine artificial reef.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 7:42:58 PM EDT
11 Aircraft carriers. France is closest with 2. I love it.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:03:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MarkNH:
They are still a long way behind the US but where will they be in 10 or 20 years?


Well, since it takes about 7 years to build a US carrier, I'd say they'll be busy building their second identically spec'ed carrier in 10-20 years.

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 9:12:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bones45:
How long before the japs float one?


They could just buy one of the old CV's
Link Posted: 8/12/2011 9:26:51 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Herc:



Originally Posted By ceverett:




Originally Posted By bigstick61:

Apparently they have already laid down domestic carriers as well and want to get into the nuclear-powered fleet carrier business.


Link?  I don't think so.



They've spent YEARS getting this thing they got from the Russians working. It will be several more years before it actually is operational, if it ever becomes so.

 




Washington Times



It's no secret they want them, but they are being very quite about construction. Easier to coverup delays if nobody knows for certain they are being built IMO.


Doesn't appear they've actually laid down anything yet...



 
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