
Posted: 5/21/2002 10:30:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/21/2002 10:36:02 AM EST by rainman]
Will the United States allow China to build a lunar base? What would be the result of such a thing happening?
Does China really believe they can accomplish this in the next 15 or so years?
Do we have any plans in the near future for a continually manned lunar base?
What would be the potential military threat of a base on the moon?
Read the story on Drudge.
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Hey, China should put it in a letter and mail it to 1969 when someone might give a damn!
They lost the space race by over 30 years!
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Will we allow it? LOL they DONT care if we allow it or not! I really dont tihnk they have the technology for it anytime soon anyhow.
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Good then, we will have egg foo young and kung pao chicken when we get there.
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Will the man in the moon be a chi-com?
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If the Chinese get a big enough head start, the question will be whether or not they'll allow [i]us[/i] to build a moon base. They've seen where the high ground is going to be and they've decided to grab it.
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Yes I think is possible.
They have stolen technology from the US and the western world.
They have the funding (let the people starve, and tax the hell out of foreign investor)
They don't care for human life.
(They will keep trying until they get a living body on the moon, if he freezes to death they will send another one.)
They work with a bigger margin of error.
Threat to US?
Definitely!!
First think how the US will look if China establish a base on the moon (even if its no larger than your cubical)
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Thats what I was thinking Nick. Something small. Just big enough for a cot and a shitter. Call it a lunar base. Jesus, the ramifications of that happening.
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Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare? The U.S. and the U.S.S.R. sprinted ahead and had a huge head start on everyone else. Then the U.S.S.R. dropped out. Then the U.S. dropped out.
While we've been wasting the last decade putting up an "International Space Station" which was really a cover story for giving out foreign aid, the Chinese have been developing their own manned space program. They launched and recovered a test capsule a month or so ago.
Now the Chinese can win, if they want. Putting a base on the Moon has never been that hard; it's a matter of desire and money. NASA and the feds frittered away both.
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[img]http://www.animus-web.demon.co.uk/eagle/1999sea1.jpg[/img]
[b]Martin Landau is already there![/b]
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The question should be how much help are they going to get from the US, both technically and financially? And how much of your pay check are they going to take to make it happen?
If they ever tried, you can bet your ass companies like Wally World will lobby Congress in their favor to no end. Anything to insure those cheap Chinese imports keep on flowing in.
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
I can't imagine anything they could mine that would be worth the money of setting up a moon base. Prices for commodities like minerals have been steadily dropping for decades.
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Its hard to imagine that the have the capabilities, they just learned how to do mid-air refueling. mattja you make some very good points. Something we should keep an eye on.
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The future is "Out There" and the Chinese understand that. Their system of government allows them to spend money on whatevert the hell they want, and their culture reveres education. (How many U.S. doctoral candidates are mainland Chinese?)
I think they're serious, and I think they can do it.
And we can't stop them.
And we lack the will to challenge them by getting there at all, much less first.
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Why in the hell do think they've been showing "Personal Lubricant" commercials so much latlety on television..............it's to minimize the damage when we are truly F**ked!!! - Fireguy3
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The Red China will build a moon base, then a death ray gun pointing at Earth, and demand a ransom of
[red][size=4]10 MILLION DOLLARS[/size=4][/red]
When you convert that to Chinese currency, it is a lot of money.
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That which does not kill you will come back to finish you later.
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I forgot, who owns the moon?
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
WE own the moon. We were there first, at least in modern times anyway. Don't our Navy/Coastguard ships stop other ships in "international" waters?
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Quick everyone chip in and lets buy the whole moon before they get there !!! Then we can charge for rent [:d]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/11/20/lunar.land/[/url]
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Originally Posted By rainman:
WE own the moon. We were there first, at least in modern times anyway. Don't our Navy/Coastguard ships stop other ships in "international" waters? View Quote |
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
if its chinese, it will break and they will call for us to rescue them. nothing unusuall. then when we have a shuttle emergancy and land at they base on the moon. they will be P.O. at us. its the circle affect.
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Originally Posted By SigBlueStar:
Quick everyone chip in and lets buy the whole moon before they get there !!! View Quote |
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
I dont think so but its for sale. Lets buy it before china gets there hands on it !
[url] http://www.moonestates.com/cat_Mars.asp [/url]
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If the Chinese want to pour billions of dollars worth of their resources into that hole - great! That's just less that they can spend down here (where it counts) on things to make life difficult for us.
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and now for something completely different - The Larch...The Larch.
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And there's no way to harden a base anyway. A thousand inch-sized ball bearings coming in from orbit would completely destroy anything they could put up.
Let 'em waste the resources.
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I don't think it has anything to do with mining or minerals or anything mundane like that. It's PR, pure and simple.
LOOK AT US, WE HAVE COME OF AGE! (and thanks for helping, WallyWorld shoppers).
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Technology to get there?? They'll just do a human pyramid.
They'll be bummed once they get there....... I assume the want all the cheese. PSSST it's not made out of cheese.
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Well, they've already taken over the U.S. -- just try to find a retail item that wasn't made in China. Next logical step is the moon.
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Originally Posted By DScott:
And there's no way to harden a base anyway. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By DScott:
And there's no way to harden a base anyway. View Quote View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
I forgot, who owns the moon? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By AR_Rifle:
Good then, we will have egg foo young and kung pao chicken when we get there. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DScott:
Am I missing something here, physics-wise?
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What about dropping things on them from moon orbit? That's more what I had in mind...
How deep would you have to dig to avoid the negative effects of ambient radiation, and how deep would an orbit-launched kinetic weapon go?
You'd still have surface based structures, or at least openings to underground, that would also be vulnerable.
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Originally Posted By DScott:
What about dropping things on them from moon orbit? That's more what I had in mind...
How deep would you have to dig to avoid the negative effects of ambient radiation, and how deep would an orbit-launched kinetic weapon go?
You'd still have surface based structures, or at least openings to underground, that would also be vulnerable.
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Originally Posted By DScott:
What about dropping things on them from moon orbit? That's more what I had in mind...
How deep would you have to dig to avoid the negative effects of ambient radiation, and how deep would an orbit-launched kinetic weapon go?
You'd still have surface based structures, or at least openings to underground, that would also be vulnerable.
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Remember that the moonies can make multi-megawatts of electrical power cheap!
They can spread flimsy solar panels all over the landscape.
They can operate unshielded nuclear reactors on the surface!
Megawatt communications lasers can make wicked defensive weapons
You can make an [b]awesome[/b] [red]pumped x-ray laser[/red] that would fire from orbit by using a thermonuclear bomb and some laser bundles with guidance computers. The laser bundles are pumped by the bomb and as they vaporize, the release an invisible coherent x-ray beam like a sword blade thousands of miles long that can melt advanced alloys to slag and fry electronics with unerring accuracy.
REMEMBER! The moonies have no surface ecology to worry about!
BTW: is anyone getting frightened yet? You should be getting concerned!
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Earthers. Don't know if I like the sound of that.
Earthians. Mmmmmmm
Earthinis. Naw.
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I highly recommend everyone read Robert Heinlein's [i][u]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/i][/u]. It's the story of what happens when the moon is used as a penal colony to grow hydroponic grain for use on Earth. Actually, it's about how they revolt and make war on Earth for their independence. And they throw rocks down the gravity well as weapons. Excellent story.
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Why in the hell do think they've been showing "Personal Lubricant" commercials so much latlety on television..............it's to minimize the damage when we are truly F**ked!!! - Fireguy3
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Originally Posted By rainman:
Earthers. Don't know if I like the sound of that.
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Originally Posted By ron97ws6:
How 'bout Flatlanders, or Downers? What other nice word will the spacefaring ppl have for the teaming masses that fight over dwindling resources at the bottom of the third planet's gravity well? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By KBaker:
I highly recommend everyone read Robert Heinlein's [i][u]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/i][/u]. It's the story of what happens when the moon is used as a penal colony to grow hydroponic grain for use on Earth. Actually, it's about how they revolt and make war on Earth for their independence. And they throw rocks down the gravity well as weapons. Excellent story. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By KBaker:
I highly recommend everyone read Robert Heinlein's [i][u]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/i][/u]. It's the story of what happens when the moon is used as a penal colony to grow hydroponic grain for use on Earth. Actually, it's about how they revolt and make war on Earth for their independence. And they throw rocks down the gravity well as weapons. Excellent story. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By KBaker:
I highly recommend everyone read Robert Heinlein's [i][u]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/i][/u]. It's the story of what happens when the moon is used as a penal colony to grow hydroponic grain for use on Earth. Actually, it's about how they revolt and make war on Earth for their independence. And they throw rocks down the gravity well as weapons. Excellent story. View Quote View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Bretshooter:
If they loft one ton and half of it makes it thru, how much energy does 1000 lbs have at 5 miles per second? As much as an airliner?
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The moon is a road to nowhere.
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HAHAHA, where are they going to get funding from? I distinctly recall that it was only in the early 90s that the Chinese space program was partly funded from selling refrigerators and other home appliances manufactured in rocket factories. And that was for simple orbital delivery systems. They might have a shot at the moon assuming that the government doesn't get overthrown first and have the country plunge into chaos. Considering current unemployment is somewhere near 30%, if they want to maintain stability in the country, they had better spend money on social welfare before anything else. If you were to assume that 1/10 of the population are workers and 1/3 of that are unemployed, that means 1.2 billion x 1/9 = 40 million people. If they don't overhaul the financial and the economic system fast, anyone that can leave the country will.
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Originally Posted By imposter:
The moon is a road to nowhere. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
I forgot, who owns the moon? View Quote |
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HAHAHA, where are they going to get funding from? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ron97ws6:
The moon is halfway to anywhere in the solar system. This solar system is awash in nearly free energy, and full of floating rocks rich in heavy minerals.
Whoever takes advantage of infinite resources of the moon and space beyond will not only have the high ground, they will also direct the eventual future of mankind.
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Originally Posted By ron97ws6:
Originally Posted By imposter:
The moon is a road to nowhere. View Quote View Quote |
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