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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:27:15 PM EST
And they didn't even open the bag. Just sent it down the conveyor belt. I've never had that happen before. They always make me sign a card that it's unloaded and walk me to TSA. Has this ever happened to anyone else?

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:29:43 PM EST
Yes.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:31:05 PM EST
Have always had mine checked.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:32:05 PM EST
This could end badly.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:35:15 PM EST
They never look in mine either
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:37:30 PM EST
Have you been taken into custody yet?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:39:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
This could end badly.


+1 it is supposed to go to the TSA per regs and laws. Crap like this is why I am always recording when I check my baggage.

Good luck OP
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:40:02 PM EST
Travel with mine and it depends on the airport. I always complete the card and declare. Some places they check my luggage sometimes it goes right on the conveyor. I have been asked if I would be taking it on the plane.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:41:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By fishorwife:
Travel with mine and it depends on the airport. I always complete the card and declare. Some places they check my luggage sometimes it goes right on the conveyor. I have been asked if I would be taking it on the plane.


Many LEOs do take them on the plane. Do you look like a cop?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:42:58 PM EST
From Cali airports out they make me go through the TSA. From Texas airports they just send it down the conveyor belt. From Oregon airports its a flip of the coin. I don't really know what the deal is.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:43:41 PM EST
Seems odd based on my experiences....
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:44:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By JSteensen:
Originally Posted By fishorwife:
Travel with mine and it depends on the airport. I always complete the card and declare. Some places they check my luggage sometimes it goes right on the conveyor. I have been asked if I would be taking it on the plane.


Many LEOs do take them on the plane. Do you look like a cop?


My wife calls me an asshole. Maybe that is why they ask:
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:45:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By xxtdxx:
And they didn't even open the bag. Just sent it down the conveyor belt. I've never had that happen before. They always make me sign a card that it's unloaded and walk me to TSA. Has this ever happened to anyone else?

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Last time I flew, TSA didn't check it either after I signed the firearms declaration card. I called the TSA guy over and asked him if he wanted to check it, he said it was fine and just let the attendant put the bag onto the conveyer belt. Whatever.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:47:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By BearArmy:
From Cali airports out they make me go through the TSA. From Texas airports they just send it down the conveyor belt. From Oregon airports its a flip of the coin. I don't really know what the deal is.


And that is the biggest load of horse poo. The TSA doesn't care what state they are in. I've had to declare it everytime, TX and AZ. Nice try at the Cali bash though.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:47:28 PM EST
the last TSA thread was a lot better... lets hope this one does not hit 14 pages in 8 hours
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:48:50 PM EST
OP,
Nope, I've never had that happen. WA, GA, AZ all make me take it over to TSA to get the bomb wipe. Which is fucking stupid. I declare I have a gun, they see me lock it up. then take it over to TSA who doesn't even look at it, just swipe the exterrior.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:50:53 PM EST
I made it on the plane so we'll see how the post-flight experience is.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:54:02 PM EST
A couple of years ago out of Medford Oregon they had me sign a tag and put it with the firearm. That was it.

I've flown enough with a handgun now I really can't remember all the variations.

Oddly unlike another poster, Houston was one of the bigger pain in the asses.
Hawaii always acts like its a big deal.

I just role with the punches and figure printing out boarding passes from home or hotel evens things out.

Honestly I've found each time to be a unique experience so I wouldn't worry about yours.
You declared it. Your gtg.

Emory
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:55:07 PM EST
The proper thing to do, when you noticed that they weren't properly handling the situation, would have been to yell out "GUN! I HAVE A GUN!" to let them know they missed your bag.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:55:17 PM EST
Just got back from my Kansas hunt and they (i.e. gate agent) "looked" at the firearms (to the extent of me saying yeah, they're unloaded) and gave me my orange slip.

TSA in Richmond didn't look inside but did x-ray. TSA in Kansas City just wiped the surface with a swab to test for explosives but didn't run it through the x-ray or look inside.

Personally, I'm rather pleased with the lax firearm unloaded checking; a lot better than a few years back when they'd basicly make you break down every firearm, carefully inspect, and were sure to have another agent standing behind you in case you went postal on them.

OP, technically I think it's a violation if the declaration form isn't inside the bag.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:55:34 PM EST
IME, it depends on the airport.
Austin TX, filled out the card at ticket counter, ticket agent carried bag to inspection area, TSA inspected rifle and handgun, secured bag and put it on conveyor belt.
Las Vegas, filled out card at ticket counter, counter agent told me to secure my bag, she put it on the conveyor belt and said to wait for 'about 10 minutes' for a TSA agent if they had any questions.
Boise, variations on the 2 except that a TSA agent determined that my empty pistol magazines needed to be 'in a pouch'.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:58:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
The proper thing to do, when you noticed that they weren't properly handling the situation, would have been to yell out "GUN! I HAVE A GUN!" to let them know they missed your bag.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:01:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By BubbaDog81:
Originally Posted By BearArmy:
From Cali airports out they make me go through the TSA. From Texas airports they just send it down the conveyor belt. From Oregon airports its a flip of the coin. I don't really know what the deal is.


And that is the biggest load of horse poo. The TSA doesn't care what state they are in. I've had to declare it everytime, TX and AZ. Nice try at the Cali bash though.



I was just sharing my personal experiences. Tell me how I was bashing Cali and how this is a load of horse poo oh wise one.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:03:04 PM EST
When I flew from Dallas to Denver earlier this year the just put a tag on the locker and sent it down the conveyor.

When I flew back from Denver, Rey walked it to TSA first so .
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:03:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 1:05:45 PM EST by Hyperformer]
Originally Posted By packinheavy:
This could end badly.


THis is true.

The airlines do not keep a record of who declares firearms based on my experience. The only indication is the hot pink declaration tag that is supposed to go inside the case. If your bag gets lost and it gets run through scanner.....your "undeclared firearm" just became the TSA's. They will then send you a letter 2 months later wanting to fine you for the undeclared firearm. NOW, HOW DOES ONE PROVE THEY DECLARED IT? You can't.


I had a bad experience once. It was an ordeal, got the gun back and didn't have to pay a fine. All for listening to the dippy ticket agent and not insisting on following the rules. I may tell the story here one day.



Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:10:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:03:00 PM EST
Hide your dogs
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:12:58 PM EST
depends on the airport. At Sea Tac, they make you take it over to the TSA area and they check it. In Vegas, all i did was fill out the form and they sent it on the belt and told me to wait a few minutes if there were any problem. Waited a little and heard nothing and my gun was there when got off the plane
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:16:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By BearArmy:
From Cali airports out they make me go through the TSA. From Texas airports they just send it down the conveyor belt. From Oregon airports its a flip of the coin. I don't really know what the deal is.

TPA is always: gate agent glances inside gun case, fill out card, then escort to TSA and they xray and send it on. DFW made me go to oversized luggage where some old TSA guy took like 30 minutes effing with my bag. Usually it's card in the locked pistol case (when they're dumbasses) or (usually) outside the case in the suitcase, walk it to TSA, they xray and then on the belt.

Moral of the story - there is ZERO consistency between airports and airlines. Carry a copy of the TSA regs and the airline regs with you. Carry an extra regular lock and an extra TSA lock just in case. Oh and cable your pistol case to the inside frame of your suitcase if you travel that way.

I've never had your experience with it just being sent on. I'd insist on filling out the card.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:22:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By BayEagle:

Originally Posted By BearArmy:
From Cali airports out they make me go through the TSA. From Texas airports they just send it down the conveyor belt. From Oregon airports its a flip of the coin. I don't really know what the deal is.

TPA is always: gate agent glances inside gun case, fill out card, then escort to TSA and they xray and send it on. DFW made me go to oversized luggage where some old TSA guy took like 30 minutes effing with my bag. Usually it's card in the locked pistol case (when they're dumbasses) or (usually) outside the case in the suitcase, walk it to TSA, they xray and then on the belt.

Moral of the story - there is ZERO consistency between airports and airlines. Carry a copy of the TSA regs and the airline regs with you. Carry an extra regular lock and an extra TSA lock just in case. Oh and cable your pistol case to the inside frame of your suitcase if you travel that way.

I've never had your experience with it just being sent on. I'd insist on filling out the card.


Yeah, I guess like my last sentence I don't know what the deal is. Those were my experiences and it seems like a lot of the others share the same.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:25:20 PM EST
They can't steal it when it gets checked in by the TSA!!!

I hope yours made it past the baggage handling theives.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:26:36 PM EST
Never had an issue, declare it (usually bring the checked bag to special baggage) and off I go

one time they took my bag (after I declared it and sent it down the belt) bag arrived and I found the airport copy of my declaration in a pocket, guess it triggered some alarms
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:29:44 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:42:05 PM EST
I declared, they gave me a piece of paper to put with the pistol, locked the case, put a stamp on my ticket...off we go.
Alaska Airlines...
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:48:33 PM EST
The TSA has nothing to do with checking your bag because there's a firearm in it. It's up to the airline and their policy. Delta had me take my bag to a TSA inspector who looked at the box my sidearm was in and swabbed it for residue. Southwest just has me fill out a card and never looks at the sidearm. It's all airline policy. TSA setup the guidelines as far as how the weapons are to be transported, then everything else is up to the airlines.

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/firearms-and-ammunition
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:50:49 PM EST
Don't expect it to be there for you at your destination.



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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:51:38 PM EST
Tag.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:52:56 PM EST
That's how I did it Sunday. Told the ticket counter, signed the tag, put it in the bag beside the case, and closed it up. No problems at all. Gotta do it again in two days when I go home.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:59:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By Malazan70:
They never look in mine either


Same here just sign the card and give it to the clerk
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 3:04:11 PM EST
I've never been asked to open the case. They just drop the card in the bag with the case and it goes to TSA until they clear it.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 3:04:59 PM EST
Never had them not fill out a card, but I have had them just send it on the conveyor. IND does that. TPA has always walked it over to the TSA inspection and you wait til it clears. MSY same way. CHS also. They all run together after a while, but no card? Wierd.
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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:08:43 PM EST
Finally got to our destination and upon opening my luggage I found pretty much what I expected. My locked case was still there along with a tag that my bag had "randomly" been chosen for inspection. No damage, missing guns, etc. I don't even think I had a TSA approved lock on it so the only way they could get in the case would be to cut it.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:11:17 PM EST
I decalre, fly way too often and have been checked a grand total of once out of 85 times.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:12:13 PM EST
I've flown with a gun 8 times now. Every time has been different, and no time has ever been exactly to the written rules. No one knows what the rules are; they all just wing it as best they can from what they remember of their training.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:26:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:32:15 PM EST
Only way to fly if you want to have valuables unmolested. Check a glock with 'em. Use a hard sided case and a soft gun case inside it that cannot be locked (important) making it necessary for you to lock the hard sided case from the outside with a non TSA lock. You open it once for TSA to look at it, and show them it is unloaded (they cannot touch it at all) and then it's locked until your destination.

Existing risks of baggage theft, misrouted baggage, etc all still exist, but you'll still feel like James fucking Bond.

Also the little orange-red tags the airline leaves inside are fun to collect.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:37:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By CaverX:
I've never been asked to open the case. They just drop the card in the bag with the case and it goes to TSA until they clear it.


I had some ~20 year old female TSA lady at LAX attempt to discern whether my TRG-42 338LM was 'safe' or not. It was a hoot. She then attempted to throw the rifle back it the case and when I intervened to help get it situated properly, she told me not to touch the weapon and stay where I was.

I told her 'that's a $7,000 weapon (w/scope & accessories) and I'm not letting you pile everything back into the case and just close the cover...things need to fit properly.'

She shut up after that and when I asked to see her supervisor.

I've flown via AA from Miami to L.A. and even San Fran. maybe six different times, so a dozen 'legs' and I always have had the counter clerk fill out the slip and place it in the gun case proper. I've also had to escort the weapon, at times, to the TSA area and open it up for their inspection, but not always since 9/11/01.

Chris



Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:38:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By O-Face:
That's how I did it Sunday. Told the ticket counter, signed the tag, put it in the bag beside the case, and closed it up. No problems at all. Gotta do it again in two days when I go home.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 6:40:03 PM EST
... Largely depends on the airport. Ask me how i know
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