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Posted: 7/31/2007 11:46:52 AM EDT
http://www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=603234&page=3


Gecko45 writes:

hello friends,

Last year I made the decision to trust my life on the street to Second Chance body armor. I got the level IIa because it stops the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate for the front.

What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.

Here is the questions. The ducttape solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.

Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?

BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18″ bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and “catch the rounds” while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.

Thanks!

---

Thanks to everybody for the help. I am now thinking that the best thing to do is to have my wife make an “undervest” with pouches front and rear for the additional plates. This would let me have three plates in front (probably too hot and two in back. What I’m also asking her to do is to sew in a sleeve for an ASP collapsible baton. Right now I’m taping the ASP to my right calf (the left calf is where I have my G27).It’s okay for me to talk about my job, as long as I’m not specific. I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas. Although there are typically between fifteen and twenty normal security officers working the beat there, we decided a while ago that it would be best to have a specilized force for violent individuals. We use modified electric vehicles and can be anywhere on a given floor within eight and a half minutes.Naturally, the regular security people are unarmed. We “RTFers”, by arrangement with the local police, carry high-strength OC spray and batons. If we have a full tactical alert and permission from the local LEOs we also have a Mossberg 500 with less-lethal rounds and two K-frame Smith .38s loaded with 158gr. LRN.Basically, the situation is that we get the call, we lock up the situation, put everything five by five, and cordon the area until the local authorities arrive. We’re cops, we just don’t get the glory. I am not permitted to carry Glocks on duty; however, when my wife picks me up from work I strap on the “Deadly Duo” of a 27 and 23, each with Bar-Sto .357 bbl.

I am writing a proposal to replace our current Mossberg/Smith armament with the following:

3) MP5K-PDW with red-dot sights;
2) G36 rifles using SS109 rounds;
3) Glock practical tacticles in .357 Sig
1) PSG-1 using Fed Gold Medal .308
1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we lose power in the building.
3) Glock 27 backup guns
3) Kahr P-9 holdouts
I think this would make us capable of facing nearly any situation. I’ll let you know what the management says!!!



Comedy Gold
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:51:33 AM EDT
Wow,

I didn't know K Mart allowed armed guards.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:58:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DV8:
Wow,

I didn't know K Mart allowed armed guards.


Nah, he's a cashier at a Detroit Moto Mart.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:59:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:

Originally Posted By DV8:
Wow,

I didn't know K Mart allowed armed guards.


Nah, he's a cashier at a Detroit Moto Mart.


Well that certainly explains it.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:59:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:

Originally Posted By DV8:
Wow,

I didn't know K Mart allowed armed guards.


Nah, he's a cashier at a Detroit Moto Mart.



Kinda undergunned for Detroit
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 12:04:12 PM EDT
Ahhh...good memories of good laughs.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 12:11:05 PM EDT
Ah...the classic's.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 12:17:22 PM EDT
Wow... talk about your denizens of fantasy land...
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 12:21:51 PM EDT
Wait...what the fuck is going on?
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 12:47:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 12:58:28 PM EDT
Sig
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:00:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:01:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2007 1:06:59 PM EDT by highdraglowspeed]

Originally Posted By US_PATRIOT_1776:
Wait...what the fuck is going on?


Oldie post from way back.

Responses to that post changed the tactical mall security scene for good.

It started the huge spike in purchases of airsoft gear and everything tatical. No self respecting *Mall Ninja wanted to be caught with a gloss black pepper spray holder and a white shirt. Now it's BDU's and web gear.

It was a defining moment when the ENTER key was pressed, sending that post to the universe.

*It is somewhat believed that the term Mall Ninja was born in response to that post.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:18:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:22:48 PM EDT
Can someone provide a link to the original marvel of mall security
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:38:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2007 1:39:50 PM EDT by bytor94]

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:
Can someone provide a link to the original marvel of mall security


Can't find the original but this one will do:

lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

whoops, didn't notice where I was. I'll back out slowly, with my hands visible at all times.
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:43:09 PM EDT
LOL!!!!! Man that almost cost me a keyboard.....
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 1:47:31 PM EDT
We have to find this guy..... and his current username
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 2:14:34 PM EDT

We have to find this guy..... and his current username


No way. I don't want a trained killing machine like that after me...
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 2:38:45 PM EDT
oh shit that was crazy lmao. and now we know steyr aug's secret codename too .
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 2:55:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2007 3:00:54 PM EDT by US_PATRIOT_1776]

Originally Posted By highdraglowspeed:

Originally Posted By US_PATRIOT_1776:
Wait...what the fuck is going on?


Oldie post from way back.

Responses to that post changed the tactical mall security scene for good.

It started the huge spike in purchases of airsoft gear and everything tatical. No self respecting *Mall Ninja wanted to be caught with a gloss black pepper spray holder and a white shirt. Now it's BDU's and web gear.

It was a defining moment when the ENTER key was pressed, sending that post to the universe.

*It is somewhat believed that the term Mall Ninja was born in response to that post.


OH!!! I see now.
But...was this guy for real or just an Internet joke?
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 3:06:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2007 3:12:28 PM EDT by highdraglowspeed]

Originally Posted By US_PATRIOT_1776:

Originally Posted By highdraglowspeed:

Originally Posted By US_PATRIOT_1776:
Wait...what the fuck is going on?


Oldie post from way back.

Responses to that post changed the tactical mall security scene for good.

It started the huge spike in purchases of airsoft gear and everything tatical. No self respecting *Mall Ninja wanted to be caught with a gloss black pepper spray holder and a white shirt. Now it's BDU's and web gear.

It was a defining moment when the ENTER key was pressed, sending that post to the universe.

*It is somewhat believed that the term Mall Ninja was born in response to that post.


OH!!! I see now.
But...was this guy for real or just an Internet joke?


Are ninja's real? They are like the wind. They fly around when not chopping heads off, or posting on the internet.

Ninja secrets
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:15:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bytor94:

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:
Can someone provide a link to the original marvel of mall security


Can't find the original but this one will do:

lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

whoops, didn't notice where I was. I'll back out slowly, with my hands visible at all times.


Oh, you gotta fukin read this!!

Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:30:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Striker:
gecko-45 and NSFJojo had more then their 15 minutes of fame over that post.


That was one of the absolute comedic pinnacles of ARFCOM history.

I wonder...are either of those two still posting here?
Link Posted: 7/31/2007 11:59:16 PM EDT
Wow, a couple of weeks ago I read a book that references this work of art.

I will now bow down to Michael Z. Williamson.
Link Posted: 8/1/2007 5:38:44 AM EDT
I think the first few posts after the initial one were like my god what the hell do you do for a living? Then when it came out it was comedy.
Link Posted: 8/1/2007 9:13:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2007 9:15:52 AM EDT by txinvestigator]
Link Posted: 8/1/2007 9:20:42 AM EDT
paging NSF JOJO

paging NSF JOJO
Link Posted: 8/1/2007 9:58:06 AM EDT
I remember when this came out over on GT. I never laughed so hard in my life.
Link Posted: 8/1/2007 12:57:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:
Can someone provide a link to the original marvel of mall security


Should be on this
Link Posted: 8/1/2007 1:21:27 PM EDT
Best one ever!
Link Posted: 8/2/2007 6:11:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leadnbrass:

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:
Can someone provide a link to the original marvel of mall security


Should be on this


Ho Lee Shit.


We were previuosly restricted to .38's and two Mossberg 500's with less leathel rounds in them, but when our team saved the life and possibly the virginity of the Mayor's nephew...


Gonna get fired for laughing so hard
Link Posted: 8/2/2007 6:30:45 AM EDT

I am a Master of three martial arts including ninjitsu, which means I can wear the special boots to climb walls


I had Pepsi coming out of my nose when I read this.......
Link Posted: 8/2/2007 6:55:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By highdraglowspeed:

Originally Posted By US_PATRIOT_1776:

Originally Posted By highdraglowspeed:

Originally Posted By US_PATRIOT_1776:
Wait...what the fuck is going on?


Oldie post from way back.

Responses to that post changed the tactical mall security scene for good.

It started the huge spike in purchases of airsoft gear and everything tatical. No self respecting *Mall Ninja wanted to be caught with a gloss black pepper spray holder and a white shirt. Now it's BDU's and web gear.

It was a defining moment when the ENTER key was pressed, sending that post to the universe.

*It is somewhat believed that the term Mall Ninja was born in response to that post.


OH!!! I see now.
But...was this guy for real or just an Internet joke?


Are ninja's real? They are like the wind. They fly around when not chopping heads off, or posting on the internet.

Ninja secrets


Link Posted: 8/2/2007 7:36:44 AM EDT
wow. just read all of that... incredibly entertaining.
Link Posted: 8/3/2007 8:52:10 AM EDT
PURE.COMEDY.GOLD
Link Posted: 8/10/2007 12:39:16 PM EDT
All we need now is for someone to pull up some of the old "Glockcop-VS-Drew" threads...now those are classic
Link Posted: 8/10/2007 12:50:04 PM EDT
what the hell ost.

I'll read them for the third time when I get home.

Link Posted: 8/11/2007 6:46:55 PM EDT
It seemed to be a pretty obvious comedy send up the first time I read it on some other forum. But, the number of people who took it to be sincere, made me wonder how many real mall ninjas started duct taping plates to their back before they read down far enough to realize it was a joke.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 3:28:31 PM EDT
As a private security professional, I actually had a twinge of desire to try to defend the possibility of even a mall security guard needing the best weapons and training they could get.

Then I stopped laughing.

These guys are asshats, and make it even tougher for me to do my job. Thank you mall ninja uber tacticool urban defender man. I'll never forget you for your hard work to make it even harder to gain an ounce of respect from anyone that has read this shit.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 8:30:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 1:00:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By NorCal_LEO:
We have a serious problem with fart spray and boobie shot glass theft at the Spencer Gifts in my beat.

I think I found my man.

IM out.



you'll never take me alive copper!!!


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