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Posted: 9/30/2001 4:51:18 AM EDT
If you think that the authorities are fooling around with commercial airline security, just read what one idiot recently did on a flight from LA to Toronto on Air Canada! See story at: [url]http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20010929/712329.html[/url] From the article: After a few seconds of idle small talk, the dark-haired man ventured back to a Terminal 2 waiting area, where on Thursday afternoon passengers were boarding Air Canada Flight 792, bound for Toronto. "He was loud and talking a lot," said Mr. Teubner, a California-based architect on his way to visit his wife. "It made you a little bit suspicious but not overly suspicious." [b]In other words, he didn't think the tiny man, later identified as Javid Naghani, would be the target of a heavily armed SWAT team and two fighter jets before the afternoon was through.[/b] Read the story to see what happened! Eric The(HeShouldBeGivenFreeRoom&BoardForALongTime!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:06:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:35:25 AM EDT
I say, "Bring back Public whippings". This guy really needs to be made an example of. Then Deport his ass, in cuffs, right back to Iran. Better yet, toss him out halfway there. It'll save fuel.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:50:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 5:51:56 AM EDT by ChuckT]
My wife says if he hates Americans, give him a one-way ticket back to where he came from. BTW, the dangerous weapons/explosives thing... what does that mean in CA? Homemade firecrackers? Possession of a radar detector? Wow, I'm glad I live in Texas right now. Added: By the way, did you notice the police had "machine guns." Usually they're described as "assault weapons."
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:51:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 5:51:07 AM EDT by natez]
What an idiot. He is lucky he did not panic the other passengers and get beaten to death.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 5:58:31 AM EDT
There *are* consequences to free speech.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 6:42:47 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/30/2001 6:56:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: From the story
In 1995, he was sentenced to 36- months probation and two days in Los Angeles County jail for manufacturing and possessing dangerous weapons. Four years later, he spent 15 days in jail after police found him with a radar detector in his car. Police also charged him with resisting arrest during that incident, but that charge was dismissed in court.
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Everything else is illegal in California - but since when did radar detectors become illegal here?
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Why do you even ask anymore? If it gives the citizes a little edge, then it is illegal. And yes, bring back the WHIPPING POST. And public hangings.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:44:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/30/2001 7:43:13 AM EDT by WSmac]
OH! MY! GOD! Did you SEE that ERIC BRAEDEN from The Young and the Restless was reported to be on that plane??? I'm so Thankful they mentioned THAT! Who gives a ________ (fill it in yourself, my daughter is watching me type this) about the other passengers. This country should do MORE to protect it's favored citizens like soap-opera stars! [puke]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 8:37:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 10:09:41 AM EDT
They delayed a plane full of passengers for over 10 hours, because someone was rude? And, he smoked in the bathroom? People used to smoke while sitting in their seats. What's the big deal? You ignore the jerk-off, and get on with your life. You don't give him what he wants, which is attention. The government dispatched two F-16's, a SWAT team with machine guns, and forty (yes, 40!) FBI agents to handle one rude passenger. What did the innocent people on the plane do to deserve that and 10+ hours of detention? Sometimes, I wonder if our government has gone insane.z
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 10:12:23 AM EDT
It's 'Hanoi Jane Fonda's' fault.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 10:35:22 AM EDT
After yelling at everyone to keep their heads in their laps,
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If I could put my head in my lap.... I'd never leave the house.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 10:57:45 AM EDT
We can only hope that he is prosecuted for reckless endangerment, at the least. But in this country it wouldn't surprise me if he gets off.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:22:09 AM EDT
(rant: on) OK, flame away.... But what the hell? He lit a smoke. Write him the FAA ticket! He pushed the Flight Attendant. File an assault charge. He shouted the belligerences (as tasteless and dumb as they may have been). Civil disruption charges. But to turn the plane around after he was subdued in his seat and under watch. To have 50+ FBI and SWAT types at the airport. 10hr delay. The Governor on site. Not to mention the twin F16 escort. Please! The SWAT raid is unbelievable! If something was going to happen it would have, especially with the 30 minutes to return to LAX and 20 minutes on the ground before the executed the maneuver. This is just crazy. I tended bar for years and this kind of thing is to be expected of a person who has been drinking. He was back in his seat and subdued until they removed him, as well as those with him, with a pistol to the head. If this is the future of response to something as insignificant as this than our rights our pissed away for good. The better future solution: One Air Marshal One 9mm w/ Glasers One pair of handcuffs Zaz (rant:off)
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:25:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:26:59 AM EDT
Sorry, zazou, but these are SERIOUS times in which we live. If all these listed things were [u]not[/u] done by the appropriate authorities, AND the passenger turned out to be a real terrorist and proceeded to take the plane down, kill the passengers, etc., what would your reaction be then? Eric The('Book'Em,Danno!')Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:31:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:33:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By zazou: (rant: on) OK, flame away.... But what the hell? He lit a smoke. Write him the FAA ticket! He pushed the Flight Attendant. File an assault charge. He shouted the belligerences (as tasteless and dumb as they may have been). Civil disruption charges. But to turn the plane around after he was subdued in his seat and under watch. To have 50+ FBI and SWAT types at the airport. 10hr delay. The Governor on site. Not to mention the twin F16 escort. Please! The SWAT raid is unbelievable! If something was going to happen it would have, especially with the 30 minutes to return to LAX and 20 minutes on the ground before the executed the maneuver. This is just crazy. I tended bar for years and this kind of thing is to be expected of a person who has been drinking. He was back in his seat and subdued until they removed him, as well as those with him, with a pistol to the head. If this is the future of response to something as insignificant as this than our rights our pissed away for good. The better future solution: One Air Marshal One 9mm w/ Glasers One pair of handcuffs Zaz (rant:off)
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I'm sorry but if any passengers tried some shit on the flight I'm flying on I'll stick em with so many airline knives and forks the troublemakers would only be useful in life as a pincushion. I affirm to be vigiliant on business flight and I don't care how many box cutters they bring aboard, I'll kill one with my bare hands.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:39:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ChuckT: By the way, did you notice the police had "machine guns." Usually they're described as "assault weapons."
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When police officers use semi/auto weapons, they're "machine guns" or "entry weapons". When other civilians use them, it's an "assault rifle". There's a big difference....
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:48:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun:Sorry, zazou, but these are SERIOUS times in which we live. If all these listed things were [u]not[/u] done by the appropriate authorities, AND the passenger turned out to be a real terrorist and proceeded to take the plane down, kill the passengers, etc., what would your reaction be then? Eric The('Book'Em,Danno!')Hun[>]:)]
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The fact is all of these did not have to be done because it was over before it started. He was back in his seat and stayed there and did nothing. If he had continued to be nasty, or was continually uncooperative. Fine. Returning to the Airport for his removal, by airport police, would have been adequate. The over escalation of the situation by the LEO/Mil is dangerous ground. I recognize these are serious times. He needs to be dealt with. Severely even. But the over-reactive is a danger to our liberties. With all due respect, the acceptance of these methods by the citizens to falsely ensure security is our greatest danger. Eventually it will become a police state. That is a fact. Nothing done here made the situation safer for anyone. I am not, repeat, I am not saying he should not be punished or if it escalated the methods should not have. We MUST treat these instances with measured response. If not, maybe I would be next for disagreeing with the methods employed. Sound familiar? (Am i starting to sound like Imbro?) Zaz
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 11:52:43 AM EDT
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originally by Smeghead: I'm sorry but if any passengers tried some shit on the flight I'm flying on I'll stick em with so many airline knives and forks the troublemakers would only be useful in life as a pincushion. I affirm to be vigiliant on business flight and I don't care how many box cutters they bring aboard, I'll kill one with my bare hands.
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I NEVER said an appropriate and measure response, including beating the Bastard to a pulp if necessary was not warranted. I personally would do him in with a bag of peanuts, a dixie cup or a torn off cola can toppper if he tried something. Zaz
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:20:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Sorry, zazou, but these are SERIOUS times in which we live. Eric The('Book'Em,Danno!')Hun[>]:)]
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Besides, Eric, the guy was a raghead! Burn him! Burn him! Right?? [rolleyes] That said, I don't think they overreacted much, except for the F-16's. Sounds like they were getting a head-start on shooting down the airliner in case it were hijacked. . . . [edited to fix the smiley]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:26:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:36:22 PM EDT
Well, according to da wife (who works for one of the airlines - not as an FA, thank God!) every one of those things he did, from lighting up to shoving the FA were federal offences - felonies. Yes, F16s were a bit over the top, IMHO, but all of the rest of it was carried out properly. The only thing I'm not sure of is why they couldn't have set down in Denver, or somewhere so the rest of the passengers wouldn't have had to be delayed an entire day. As someone else pointed out, these are serious times... and this just might be viewed a a learning experience as well. I hope it doesn't come to this every time a passenger gets upset though.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 12:38:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf:Maybe the best way to think of this incident is as a learning experience for all involved.
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That we can agree on! Zaz
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 1:22:31 PM EDT
Too bad there wasn't anybody on the plane that beat him into a pulp. [heavy]
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 7:48:25 PM EDT
Over-reaction- yes Poetic justice-YES It's about time those jerks get what they deserve. LMAO at the stupidity of some people.
Link Posted: 9/30/2001 8:08:36 PM EDT
The rules of engagement changed September 11. Flight crews are taking the smallest threat seriously. Warning: Don't FUCK with us on the airplane. I promise...You will either meet SWAT or "allah", and it will be OUR CHOICE this time!
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