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Posted: 9/7/2004 12:09:11 AM EST
Man, I hate some of the liberal bull I keep seeing on Car & Driver forum. Several liberal Canadians are on the board a lot of the time. Here is a quote from 'jwc' on the following thread:
Car & Driver thread

"These people who raided this school were only trying to communicate their anguish at the way the Chechens have been treated by Putin's government policy toward Chechnya. These deaths belong to the Russian government, not to the freedom fighters who have no other way of expressing their feelings of injustice against the Russian agressors.

The Russian government, more directly...President Putin, has failed to open a dialogue with Chechnya and is now paying the cost. Russia and its people must stop blaming the terrorist and realize that their own government's failed policy is what caused this and the other recent terrorist acts." - jwc


I invite AR15 members to help set this guy straight !
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:21:48 AM EST
You don't attack the civs you would attack the goverment if they where freedom fighters.
Takes alot of balls to take little kids hostages.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:22:09 AM EST
I'm not even going there.

Those liberal canadians are wacky, eh?
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:25:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Autobahndriver:
Man, I hate some of the liberal bull I keep seeing on Car & Driver forum. Several liberal Canadians are on the board a lot of the time. Here is a quote from 'jwc' on the following thread:
Car & Driver thread

"These people who raided this school were only trying to communicate their anguish at the way the Chechens have been treated by Putin's government policy toward Chechnya. These deaths belong to the Russian government, not to the freedom fighters who have no other way of expressing their feelings of injustice against the Russian agressors.

The Russian government, more directly...President Putin, has failed to open a dialogue with Chechnya and is now paying the cost. Russia and its people must stop blaming the terrorist and realize that their own government's failed policy is what caused this and the other recent terrorist acts." - jwc


I invite AR15 members to help set this guy straight !



Hell, there are some here that buy into that pantywaist bullshit.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:26:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:44:07 AM EST
kill'em all let GOD sort'em out
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:45:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 1:16:35 AM EST
Not 'Freedom Fighters"… the correct name should be

"Child killing, child raping, baby bayoneting Freedom Fighters"…

ANdy
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 1:33:43 AM EST
I propose a new anacronym:

TMFTKBN
Terrorist That Cannot Be Named

sad when the 1984ish Thought Control PC police cannot let you say the truth.

wganz


­
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 1:42:50 AM EST
Of course they are freedom fighters. Just not the kind we like.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 1:58:01 AM EST
Some people just need killing.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 1:59:50 AM EST
You know what, some of the russian conscripts have been doing the same shit on a smaller scale in Chechnya, raping women, killing kids, the rest of it. Hence the "black Widows" in that raid.

It doesn't make either of them right, it makes them both wrong.

"Freedom fighters" well, under some definition of the word, admittedly they are pushing for freedom for their country.

But they are scum nonetheless, and anyone who actually supports them belongs in the same boat.


not to the freedom fighters who have no other way of expressing their feelings


Why don't I express my feelings right in your face you apologist c***s*****.

Jeeze, some people.

/Phil
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:14:33 AM EST
Those people are sick pos its so fked when people call these scumbags freedom fighters what a joke
maybe when the terrorist start nuking cities people will get the idea.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:32:42 AM EST
Just remember, that while people like this are freaking complete idiots without a clue, they will be the ones to fill the body bags when this same thing visits other nations, ours included. To steal a term from R. Lee Ermey, these pukes are "non-hackers who aren't packed the gear" to understand or deal with terror. On the other hand, folks like us might have a chance to survive because we have enough brains and balls to actually do something about it.

This is just more proof of what the left stands for. They in effect, place the blame on the victims rather than the attackers. We see it daily, even in this country. If a homeowner shoots a burglar, who do they blame? Idiots! I swear, the left has absolutely not the slighest friggin clue about anything. They are totally and hopelessly brain dead. In fact, their way of thinking is such a threat to all of us, I consider them just as dangerous as the enemy.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:38:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:40:13 AM EST
Freedom fighters....BS...MONSTERS hiding behind a cause, some people just need a excuse to butcher people. There is NO excuse for murdering children,those scumbags just killed those kids because they get off hurting children. Want to call them freedomfighters....good then look at the pictures and then tell me about causes. Those children didn't get hit by stray fire or a bad bombing run,they where MURDERED....by BUTCHERS that would kill and rape anyones kids. I bet the same dickheads that speak of FREEDOM FIGHTERS never looked at the pictures of the dead kids.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:49:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 3:17:04 AM EST by CAMPYBOB]
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:52:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
You don't attack the civs you would attack the goverment if they where freedom fighters.
Takes alot of balls to take little kids hostages.



Wrong.

Only pussies and weak terrorists target women and children on a scale like this.

THere have been times when American soliders have HAD to target children (Carlos Hathcock comes to mind) who were participating in combat, but to do something like this doesn't take balls.

It's a cowards attack.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:54:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Freedom fighters....BS...MONSTERS hiding behind a cause, some people just need a excuse to butcher people. There is NO excuse for murdering children,those scumbags just killed those kids because they get off hurting children. Want to call them freedomfighters....good then look at the pictures and then tell me about causes. Those children didn't get hit by stray fire or a bad bombing run,they where MURDERED....by BUTCHERS that would kill and rape anyones kids. I bet the same dickheads that speak of FREEDOM FIGHTERS never looked at the pictures of the dead kids.



+1

Some people need to be killed.

I hope those who are in a position to do so watch their six, and do it right.

No war on terrorism was won by dying for your country. It is won by making some other dumb bastard die for their f'd up cause.

Extreme prejudice.

See ya round Christmas.

TXL
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:55:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hydguy:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
You don't attack the civs you would attack the goverment if they where freedom fighters.
Takes alot of balls to take little kids hostages.



Wrong.

Only pussies and weak terrorists target women and children on a scale like this.

THere have been times when American soliders have HAD to target children (Carlos Hathcock comes to mind) who were participating in combat, but to do something like this doesn't take balls.

It's a cowards attack.


Yeah I was kind of saying that, being kids are 30lbs and weak. I guess I came off serious.

And if the Chechs only attacked the Russian goverment and noth the general pop, I doubt any one would be talking about them.

But they don't they are dirt and don't have the balls to go head to head with a force.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:57:23 AM EST
A related commentary from cnsnews this morning...
They're Terrorists, Not 'Activists' or 'Victims'
By Daniel Pipes
CNSNews.com Commentary
September 07, 2004

"I know it when I see it" was the famous response by a U.S. Supreme Court justice to the vexed problem of defining pornography. Terrorism may be no less difficult to define, but the wanton killing of schoolchildren, of mourners at a funeral, or workers at their desks in skyscrapers surely fits the know-it-when-I-see-it definition.

The media, however, generally shies away from the word terrorist, preferring euphemisms. Take the assault that led to the deaths of some 400 people, many of them children, in Beslan, Russia, on Sept. 3. Journalists have been deep into their thesauruses, finding at least twenty euphemisms for terrorists:

--Assailants - National Public Radio.

-- Attackers - the Economist.

-- Bombers - the Guardian.

-- Captors - the Associated Press.

-- Commandos - Agence France-Presse refers to the terrorists both as "membres du commando" and "commando."

-- Criminals - the Times (London).

-- Extremists - United Press International.

-- Fighters - the Washington Post.

-- Group - the Australian.

-- Guerrillas: in a New York Post editorial.

-- Gunmen - Reuters.

-- Hostage-takers - the Los Angeles Times.

-- Insurgents - in a New York Times headline.

-- Kidnappers - the Observer (London).

-- Militants - the Chicago Tribune.

-- Perpetrators - the New York Times.

-- Radicals - the BBC.

-- Rebels - in a Sydney Morning Herald headline.

-- Separatists - the Daily Telegraph.

And my favorite:

-- Activists - the Pakistan Times.

The origin of this unwillingness to name terrorists seems to lie in the Arab-Israeli conflict, prompted by an odd combination of media sympathy for the Palestinians and intimidation by them.

The sympathy is well known; the intimidation less so. Reuters' Nidal al-Mughrabi made the latter explicit in advice for fellow reporters in Gaza to avoid trouble, where one tip reads: "Never use the word terrorist or terrorism in describing Palestinian gunmen and militants; people consider them heroes of the conflict."

The reluctance to call terrorists by their rightful name can reach absurd lengths of inaccuracy and apologetics.

For example, National Public Radio's Morning Edition announced on April 1, 2004, that "Israeli troops have arrested 12 men they say were wanted militants." But CAMERA, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, pointed out the inaccuracy here and NPR issued an on-air correction on April 26: "Israeli military officials were quoted as saying they had arrested 12 men who were 'wanted militants.' But the actual phrase used by the Israeli military was 'wanted terrorists.'"

(At least NPR corrected itself. When the Los Angeles Times made the same error in its April 24 issue, writing that "Israel staged a series of raids in the West Bank that the army described as hunts for wanted Palestinian militants," its editors refused CAMERA's request for a correction on the grounds that its change in terminology did not occur in a direct quotation.)

Metro, a Dutch paper, ran a picture on May 3, 2004, of two gloved hands belonging to a person taking fingerprints off a dead terrorist. The caption read: "An Israeli police officer takes fingerprints of a dead Palestinian. He is one of the victims (slachtoffers) who fell in the Gaza strip yesterday." One of the victims!

Euphemistic usage then spread from the Arab-Israeli conflict to other theaters. As terrorism picked up in Saudi Arabia such media as The Times (London) and the Associated Press began routinely using militants in reference to Saudi terrorists. Reuters uses it with reference to Kashmir and Algeria.

Thus has Militants become the media's default term for terrorists.

These self-imposed language limitations sometimes cause journalists to tie themselves into knots. In reporting the murder of one of its own cameraman, the BBC - which normally avoids the word terrorist - found itself using that term. In another instance, the search engine on the BBC website includes the word terrorist but the page linked to has had that word expurgated.

Politically-correct news organizations undermine their credibility with such subterfuges. How can one trust what one reads, hears, or sees when the self-evident fact of terrorism is being semi-denied?

Worse, the multiple euphemisms for terrorist obstruct a clear understanding of the violent threats confronting the civilized world.

It is bad enough that only one of five articles discussing the Beslan atrocity mentions its Islamist origins; worse is the miasma of words that insulates the public from the evil of terrorism.

cnsnews link

dd
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 2:59:49 AM EST
Did you see "Apocalypse Now"? Do you remember the part where Kurtz is adminiring the VC for having the fortitude to do unspeakable things in the name of their cause, such as cut off the arms of every child vaccinated by the special forces?

Chechens have been terribly mistreated by the Russians since WWII. The longer the problem persists, the more horrible the atrocities.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:01:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 3:02:02 AM EST by olyarms]

Originally Posted By thelibertarian:
Did you see "Apocalypse Now"? Do you remember the part where Kurtz is adminiring the VC for having the fortitude to do unspeakable things in the name of their cause, such as cut off the arms of every child vaccinated by the special forces?

Chechens have been terribly mistreated by the Russians since WWII. The longer the problem persists, the more horrible the atrocities.


That still doesn't justifiy taking children hostage, if they took a group of soldiers hostage thats another story.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:13:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 3:14:09 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:16:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelibertarian:
Chechens have been terribly mistreated by the Russians since WWII. .



The Russians and Chechens have been at it since 1858… they were deported by Stalin in 1945 because they actively co-operated with the German Invaders…

Andy
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:17:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:22:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelibertarian:
Did you see "Apocalypse Now"? Do you remember the part where Kurtz is adminiring the VC for having the fortitude to do unspeakable things in the name of their cause, such as cut off the arms of every child vaccinated by the special forces?

Chechens have been terribly mistreated by the Russians since WWII. The longer the problem persists, the more horrible the atrocities.



I suggest you check your history, the problem has been going much longer than that.

Blow that liberal bullshit right out your ass. Damn, I can't believe the weakness and gullability of some people on this board.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:22:32 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:22:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:23:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 3:30:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By thelibertarian:
Did you see "Apocalypse Now"? Do you remember the part where Kurtz is adminiring the VC for having the fortitude to do unspeakable things in the name of their cause, such as cut off the arms of every child vaccinated by the special forces?

Chechens have been terribly mistreated by the Russians since WWII. The longer the problem persists, the more horrible the atrocities.



War brings out the worse in some people...and yes even us [Americans] but make no mistake is was the intent from the get go, Chechens planned to kill those children from the begining. I know why they did it, to break the emenies spirit and to prove that they [chechens] would do anything to win. The Russians screwed everybody over and yes did their share for butchery.But this can not be allowed to pass as "well shit happens" and for some people in this country to play these butchers off as just fighting against oppression.....and then calling George Bush like Hitler is just plain sick. And yes the same people who think we are wrong for kicking Saddams ass,think these butchering scumbag are freedom fighters.
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