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Posted: 7/31/2009 3:12:14 PM EST
Anybody know where the scrap is getting sold too?

Because I have a sick feeling it is getting sold to China where they will use it to build carriers, tanks, and other weapons of war
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 3:15:04 PM EST
A lot of them go over to Egypt, Argentina and other places where consumer vehicles aren't common.
A good friend of mine owns a junkyard here in Tampa, he told me thats where they make their money from, not selling car parts.
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 3:16:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By mushroomhead130:
A lot of them go over to Egypt, Argentina and other places where consumer vehicles aren't common.
A good friend of mine owns a junkyard here in Tampa, he told me thats where they make their money from, not selling car parts.

These are getting shredded as part of the program so they can pollute the earth again with their evil toxins.
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 3:17:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/31/2009 3:17:37 PM EST by molotov357]

double tap
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 3:19:02 PM EST
They rebuild the cut up cars and resell them to the public
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 3:53:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/31/2009 3:57:51 PM EST by No-Worries]
The Paths of the Environmentalist and Common Sense Never Intersect

I give you the government mandated ending for "cash for clunkers"; run Sodium Silicate through the engine and destroy a perfectly good vehicle.
And with the smoke pouring out of it, it's SO environmentally friendly.

Just take a look for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBilHH5z2A

What a waste. Had this been thought out properly by a government bureaucrat, a much better solution could have been had. Take those vehicles and trade them for even worse polluters. Think about it. The taxi driver Camaroon, Egypt, Laos, Cambodia, India or pick your favorite underdeveloped, but semi-friendly country rides around in a 40-50 year old carborated Lada, Zim, Zis or Zil which has no emissions controls and pollutes with a pipe right out of the manifold. Orders of magnitude dirtier than any car with OBD II, this could have been a win win for everyone. For didn't Obama state he wanted to improve our image around the world? Didn't environmentalists state they want less pollution? Didn't treehuggers state they want less gasoline used?

Does a fifty year old car use more gasoline than a modern fuel injected engine? Does a fifty year old car give off more pollution than a modern computer controlled car with a catalytic converter? But then again, I guess pollution is local and doesn't affect the whole world, huh? Would trading a ten year old car for a fifty year old car improve our image and standing with many around the world? I thought that's what Obama was all about? We could even keep the real clunkers (Lada, Zim, Zis or Zil) and crush them ourselves for scrap metal.

If it bothers some that we would be helping people around the world instead of our own, well, we do it everyday through USAID and other programs. Moreover, we could collect a fraction of the car's true worth from the foreign buyer and apply it towards our national debt, with the explicit agreement that our ten year old cars could only replace forty to fifty year old cars. If that still bothers some, then give the cars to people in Appalachia who have no hope of ever owning even a true clunker. There could even be a qualification program to make sure it gets to the most needy.

Whatever, I'm fine with it. But I'm not fine with the wasteful program another government statist has setup for destroying perfectly useful vehicles. Why is this administration stuck on stupid?
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 2:34:07 PM EST
and i'm sure private industry could still have found a way to benefit from shipping, distributing, and reselling those cars overseas. might even have created whole new markets for us parts distributors.

an unbelievable waste of resources. i hope history will at least hold them accountable.
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 2:38:27 PM EST
if the Chinese are willing to pay the most for scrap metal, it's going to them, as it should.

I suspect scrap metal is treated as a commodity, so it doesn't really matter where it's going.
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 2:50:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
if the Chinese are willing to pay the most for scrap metal, it's going to them, as it should.

I suspect scrap metal is treated as a commodity, so it doesn't really matter where it's going.

by the time you factor in disposal, transport, and potential profit - or lack thereof after the power train is intentionally destroyed, i wouldn't be surprised to learn the gov. has to pay to get the things scrapped properly because your typical salvage operators has no interest.
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 3:36:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/1/2009 3:40:26 PM EST by Atomic_Ferret]
Originally Posted By torstin:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
if the Chinese are willing to pay the most for scrap metal, it's going to them, as it should.

I suspect scrap metal is treated as a commodity, so it doesn't really matter where it's going.

by the time you factor in disposal, transport, and potential profit - or lack thereof after the power train is intentionally destroyed, i wouldn't be surprised to learn the gov. has to pay to get the things scrapped properly because your typical salvage operators has no interest.


I find it surprising that salvage companies would have no interest in them. Even without a functional engine, lots of crash repair parts, interiors, transmissions etc that are sellable. Unless there is special handling of the C.F.C cars that make them unable to part them out (forcing them to crush them intact).

Heck, most of the boneyard cars you find in areas where rust is not a factor are there due to blown motors (crash damage being a close second).

If there is nothing unusual about how they are handled, I would not mind picking up some of the cleaner examples for scrap value. Put an engine out of a wreck in them and get em back out on the road. It would not surprise me if a few really clean examples sneak back out on the road somehow, look at all the Katrina flood cars that wound up back in circulation.

Link Posted: 8/1/2009 3:51:03 PM EST
The most important question is WHY? Why is the .gov involved in this and using tax dollars for people to trade in cars? This is pure crap. I am so sick our our current administration and their destruction of this country.
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 4:07:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By torstin:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
if the Chinese are willing to pay the most for scrap metal, it's going to them, as it should.

I suspect scrap metal is treated as a commodity, so it doesn't really matter where it's going.

by the time you factor in disposal, transport, and potential profit - or lack thereof after the power train is intentionally destroyed, i wouldn't be surprised to learn the gov. has to pay to get the things scrapped properly because your typical salvage operators has no interest.


I find it surprising that salvage companies would have no interest in them. Even without a functional engine, lots of crash repair parts, interiors, transmissions etc that are sellable. Unless there is special handling of the C.F.C cars that make them unable to part them out (forcing them to crush them intact).

Heck, most of the boneyard cars you find in areas where rust is not a factor are there due to blown motors (crash damage being a close second).

If there is nothing unusual about how they are handled, I would not mind picking up some of the cleaner examples for scrap value. Put an engine out of a wreck in them and get em back out on the road. It would not surprise me if a few really clean examples sneak back out on the road somehow, look at all the Katrina flood cars that wound up back in circulation.



there's actually a chunk of the legislation that addresses mercury switches, freon, fluids etc
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 4:52:40 PM EST
The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.

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