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Posted: 7/22/2010 1:03:15 PM EDT




July 22, 2010 | 3:29 PM ET
Reid Abandons Cap & Trade in Face of Bipartisan Opposition

Hitting a wall of bipartisan opposition to placing a price on carbon, even if just in the utility sector, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Thursday unveiled a narrow, limited energy bill that contains no cap and trade plan.

"Unfortunately this Congress, we don't have a single Republican," Reid told reporters, as he outlined a 4-pronged plan that increases the liability cap for damage incurred from the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, as well as, new oil rig safety regulations; converts the diesel fleet to natural gas; legislates the HOME STAR energy efficiency program which provides homeowners financial incentives to purchase energy efficient products; and invests in the Land and Water Conservation Fund.

Reid said he has 60 votes for the scaled-back legislation, though details of the BP portion of the bill were not yet clear. The HOME STAR legislative component has Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-ME, as a co-sponsor, though, and Reid said Republicans have supported the other provisions of his plan.

Moderate Sen. Ben Nelson, D-NE, a cap and trade skeptic said he expects the new Reid bill to pass.

While the leader is punting on climate change legislation for now, he made it clear he and other Democrats would continue to try to rally support for a price on carbon, but it is not clear how the math would change in the Senate that would enable Reid to get 60 votes to break a filibuster.


Still, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who has worked on climate change legislation for more than a year, promised, "Let me be crystal clear, this legislation he has proposed doesn't replace climate change legislation or comprehensive energy legislation," adding that President Obama called him before a Democratic Caucus meeting on energy Thursday afternoon promising to step up efforts to find support for a broader bill.

While Republicans stood unanimously against any bill that priced carbon, it is important to note that coal state Democrats and others opposed the effort, as well.

And Reid's struggle got no easier this week when his newest Democratic member, Carte Goodwin, who replaced the late Sen. Robert Byrd made it clear before he even arrived in Washington that he would not support cap and trade legislation.

The West Virginia Dem, at a news conference in his home state Friday said, ""With regard to cap and trade, I will say this: From what I’ve seen...they simply are not right for West Virginia."



Read more: http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/22/reid-abandons-cap-trade-in-face-of-bipartisan-opposition/#ixzz0uRmhxLT8



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Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:04:02 PM EDT
[#1]
It's a tarp.  And dupe.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:09:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
It's a tarp.  And dupe.


Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:55:43 PM EDT
[#3]
its waaaaay to important to be dead
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:58:10 PM EDT
[#4]
Nothing is dead until its head is removed from the body, the mouth stuffed with wolfsbane and an oak stake driven through the heart.  Garlic and holy water optional.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:58:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Hmm...I recall seeing "Healthcare is dead" threads.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:58:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Nothing is dead until its head is removed from the body, the mouth stuffed with wolfsbane and an oak stake driven through the heart.  Garlic and holy water optional.


Silver bullets. They always forget the silver bullets!
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:59:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Hmm...I recall seeing "Healthcare is dead" threads.


No shit.



They desperately NEED that extortion money Crap and Tax would give them.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:00:22 PM EDT
[#8]
They don't need it.  The passage of health care and financial reform, along with the stimulus bill passed last year, will be enough to sink what's left of the US economy.  
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:02:07 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
They don't need it.  The passage of health care and financial reform, along with the stimulus bill passed last year, will be enough to sink what's left of the US economy.  


Have you ever seen the .gov thirst for money quenched?

Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:10:44 PM EDT
[#10]




Still have that Obamacare issue to resolve
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:10:54 PM EDT
[#11]
It'll come back re-written and worded differently in some other bill that's waiting to be passed. Honor in DC is dead.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:12:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
It'll come back re-written and worded differently in some other bill that's waiting to be passed. Honor in DC is dead.


Lindsey Graham or Olympia Snowe will probably help write it.

Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:12:47 PM EDT
[#13]

Hmm...
 


"Cap and Trade" may be called dead, but look out for a "National Energy Policy Reform Act" or some such to be proposed and passed.


Watch the hand they are not waving in our faces.

Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:15:29 PM EDT
[#14]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Nothing is dead until its head is removed from the body, the mouth stuffed with wolfsbane and an oak stake driven through the heart.  Garlic and holy water optional.




Silver bullets. They always forget the silver bullets!


Cap and Trade is a VAMPIRE, not a Lycanthrope.  



While everyone was worried about zombies, it is the vampires we must be on the lookout for.   A 12 gauge with buck will take care of zombies.  Loaded with silver buckshot and it will also take care of werewolves. But only the decapitation, mouth stuffed with wolfsbane and an oak stake driven through the heart will work for the undead.



Harry Reid is undead.



 
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:20:37 PM EDT
[#15]

supposedly cap and trade would easily be a 13 trillion $ exchange..

The exchange is all ready to go, just needs the law passed.

They will not let this go easily.



http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:28:47 PM EDT
[#16]
Groovy, smashing, yeah capitalism!
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:31:57 PM EDT
[#17]
The left has way too much time and money invested to let it die.

If anything this was the number 2 pet project behind socialized medicine, it will be back and soon. The only thing that slowed it down and saved this country was Climategate. I dont think most people understand how much of a life saver to this country that even was.

If we do not make gains in November then it will not only be back, it will be like a hammer and sickle on us.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:32:54 PM EDT
[#18]



Quoted:


Groovy, smashing, yeah capitalism!


Any market exchange which must be propped up by mandating a law for pricing isn't capitalism.  It is MARXISM.



GTFO of here, commie.



 
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:45:38 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
The left has way too much time and money invested to let it die.

If anything this was the number 2 pet project behind socialized medicine, it will be back and soon. The only thing that slowed it down and saved this country was Climategate. I dont think most people understand how much of a life saver to this country that even was.

If we do not make gains in November then it will not only be back, it will be like a hammer and sickle on us.


At this present time, I do not see any gains being made, save for maybe a handful. R, D, its all the same. If we could pull a GOP candidate out of our asses, then its time to squirt and produce, else I think we have 2 years left to prep for the hammer and sickle.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:48:19 PM EDT
[#20]
Dead?

Like Obamacare was dead?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:51:08 PM EDT
[#21]
B.S.









Health Care Bill 'didn't have the votes'; Passed


Financial Reform Bill, WE didn't really hear about; Passed





But hey, Lohan is in Jail; Mel Gibson is a 'Racist', and Shirley Sherrod is the next Mother Teresa




 
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:54:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Here's one issue where we can say we're better off with Obama than we would have been with McCain.

No way in hell it wouldn't have passed with the Republican POTUS in favor.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:55:32 PM EDT
[#23]
The EPA isn't.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:56:23 PM EDT
[#24]
Oh boy, now Harry Reid's our friend, right?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:57:11 PM EDT
[#25]
unconscious, in a coma, not dead.

it will not die as long as a single democrat believes it has merit.

therefore the only answer is to make sure there are not enough folks of either party in congress to make it happen, and also to prevent obama from czaring it somehow.

cap and trade needs to be euthanized. but energy independence, of which some significant part must be atomic should be addressed with the same level of effort as a world war.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 2:59:47 PM EDT
[#26]
I guess they f*cked us as much as they could with the Health Care Bill.  Everyone who receives health care from work will be taxed on it.  Also, any sale of $600 or more gets reported on form 1099.  I guess I'll go to Mission St. to buy a fake driver's license.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:04:39 PM EDT
[#27]
Didn't they say that earlier about C and T, but then it came back?

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Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:09:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Good.  Even for this Dem, Cap and Trade was a bad idea.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:10:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:

supposedly cap and trade would easily be a 13 trillion $ exchange..

The exchange is all ready to go, just needs the law passed.

They will not let this go easily.


http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2290/ccx.png


yeah, there are too many powerful interests that have already invested in this scheme to let it die



Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:10:32 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Hmm...I recall seeing "Healthcare is dead" threads.


Two or three times, then a week later they passed it.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:10:48 PM EDT
[#31]
I have some beach front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell.................
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:16:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
It's a tarp.  And dupe.


I agree.. He is making his pre election move to the right..
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:18:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Hmm...I recall seeing "Healthcare is dead" threads.


This. End of thread.

January is still a long ways away.



Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:45:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
Hmm...I recall seeing "Healthcare is dead" threads.


yep remember those threads too.

J-
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:47:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Its not dead by any means, it just wont be as big as it was intened. The coal producing states with Democrats threw a wrench into the works.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:49:49 PM EDT
[#36]
The health care bill was dead too.




Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:51:11 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Hmm...I recall seeing "Healthcare is dead" threads.


Healthcare is dead
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:51:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Nothing is dead until its head is removed from the body, the mouth stuffed with wolfsbane and an oak stake driven through the heart.  Garlic and holy water optional.


Yeah!!!!  

Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:52:35 PM EDT
[#39]
God I hope so. Hopefully we can win the house, if not the Senate, back in the Fall, and keep this shit out of the realm of possibility. I hope you're right.



Link Posted: 7/22/2010 4:03:45 PM EDT
[#40]


It was reported on FNC, that Obumer will now propose a new 'lite' version to keep the door open and allow for future expansion.



Watch out.



That's how we ended up with the health care bill.
edit: Sorry no link. I was at the gym, on the treadmill, watching the news channel crawl.





Link Posted: 7/22/2010 4:06:12 PM EDT
[#41]
They'll just rename it, it is their keystone, it is the straw that will finish off America.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 4:11:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Oh thank god! if it is actually dead, the rule says 'They always come back for one more scream' we'll see!
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 4:22:08 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
I have some beach front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell.................


You mean Lexifornia?  

Link Posted: 7/22/2010 7:21:09 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Groovy, smashing, yeah capitalism!

Any market exchange which must be propped up by mandating a law for pricing isn't capitalism.  It is MARXISM.

It's not, but I don't care.  Words fail me at this point, really.  Que sera, sera.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 7:26:03 PM EDT
[#45]



Quoted:



Hmm...  




"Cap and Trade" may be called dead, but look out for a "National Energy Policy Reform Act" or some such to be proposed and passed.




Watch the hand they are not waving in our faces.





That.



 
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 7:27:48 PM EDT
[#46]
How many times did we hear health care was dead?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 7:47:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
The EPA isn't.
Yep......

Link Posted: 7/23/2010 9:22:32 AM EDT
[#48]


All true, but we have to take the small victories as well as the big ones.

Just shows it may not be as easy as the commies thought - people are starting to catch on.
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 9:39:33 AM EDT
[#49]
Watch the other hand. These fuckers will ride it on some nonattention getting feel good bill
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