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Posted: 8/16/2005 1:52:04 PM EDT
It doesnt say speifically in this article but a commentary on Fox said it concievable he could face a life sentence here if extradited.
I hope the Canadian authorities dont extradite him and I dont honestly think they will. Christ, they almost didnt extradite Charles Ng.



www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1550047,00.html

A blow for the 'Prince of Pot'

The possible extradition to the US of a prominent marijuana enthusiast has sparked anger in Canada, reports Anne McIlroy

Tuesday August 16, 2005


For years, Canadian authorities ignored the lucrative mail-order marijuana business run by Marc Emery, Canada's most prominent proponent for legalising weed. The self-styled "Prince of Pot" sold cannabis seeds via the internet to customers all over the world, including the United States.
But the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) was far less tolerant, and, during an 18-month investigation, sent undercover agents to pose as customers. They asked that Mr Emery be arrested for selling to Americans, and, earlier this summer, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police picked him up. Now he is facing extradition to the United States, where he could be sentenced to at least 10 years and possibly life in prison if he is convicted on a number of drug-related charges.
This has angered many Canadians, who even if they don't approve of Mr Emery's activities, fear that the long arm of the law in the US is now reaching across the border. They say it is wrong for a Canadian to be tried in the United State for selling marijuana seeds from his Vancouver base. The US has far harsher penalties.
"I'm deeply concerned about subjecting a Canadian citizen to the draconian laws of a foreign nation when we don't bother charging this person for violating our laws," Alan Young, an associate professor of law at Osgoode Hall, wrote in the Globe and Mail newspaper.

"A Canadian citizen is now exposed to US drug sentences which border on cruel and unusual punishment - for violating a law we rarely enforce in Canada," said Mr Young, who in the past has done legal work for Mr Emery.

Mr Emery, the head of the British Columbia Marijuana party, has been arrested 11 times for offences related to smoking pot or selling it over the counter at a Vancouver store, but he was usually fined or imprisoned for short periods. He says the police did not bother him once he began selling seeds exclusively through his mail-order business. But it was that business that led a federal grand jury in the United States to indict him on charges of distributing marijuana seeds, marijuana and of money laundering. The DEA says he was bringing in about $2.5m a year and that many of his customers were in the US.

He says he never tried to hide what he was doing.

"Unlike most other seed dealers, I use my real name and I'm easy to find," he said in a media interview in 2002.

The case highlights the dramatically different approaches to marijuana in Canada and the United States. Using the drug for medical purposes is legal in Canada, and the federal government is planning to decriminalise the possession of small amounts of the drug. Earlier this summer, an appeal court in British Columbia ruled that a two-year jail term for growing marijuana was excessive.

But that doesn't mean that a Canadian court - or ultimately the federal justice minister - will refuse to extradite Mr Emery to the US under the mutual legal assistance treaty, someone can be sent the United States to be tried for acts that are considered an offence in both countries. Selling marijuana seeds in Canada is still illegal, even if the law is rarely enforced.

If the courts rule in favour of extradition, Mr Emery's supporters say Irwin Cotler, the federal justice minister, should intervene and refuse to extradite the pot activist on the grounds that he faces cruel and unusual punishment. At the very least, they say he should get a guarantee from the US that the minimum 10-year sentence will not be enforced.

While the DEA portrays him as a wealthy drug trafficker, his supporters say Mr Emery is primarily an activist, who uses the money from his cannabis business to finance political activities. After getting out of jail on bail earlier this month, he compared himself to Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King and said he was prepared to serve time to help his crusade to legalise pot.

"If I thought my death or my lifetime in prison - even with great suffering - would bring about the liberation of the hundreds of thousands of people around the world who are oppressed, I am looking forward to that," he told reporters.


Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:59:13 PM EDT
"Oppressed"? And he lives in a socialist State. What a dumb bastard. He should be extradited for showing such disrespect to this nation and its laws.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:03:14 PM EDT
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:09:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.



You really think that?
Comparing marijuana seeds to opium or cocaine is like comparing a paper cut to a decapitation.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:09:44 PM EDT
I doubt he will get much love here. "That Devil Weed kills Americas Youth" and "Its the same thing as Crack" is the extent of where this is going.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:10:51 PM EDT
Leave him alone.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:12:05 PM EDT
If I were shipping guns to Canada, they would want my ass in their prison forever.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:16:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.



You really think that?
Comparing marijuana seeds to opium or cocaine is like comparing a paper cut to a decapitation.



Yep. No drug is good or bad. There are simply legal, decriminalized and illegal. Good and bad are human traits that should never be applied to substances or objects. I see great hypocracy in those who feel their tobacco, alcohol, Marijuana, or Vicodin is okay but anothers methamphetamine, extacy, or heroin is somehow bad.

They should all be completely legalized but until that day existing law should be enforced.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:19:32 PM EDT
He's being made an example out of by the DEA. He was selling seed (contraband, not a felony) in the open, using his real name, and is a strong pro-MJ activist.

I can imagine how many DEA agents would love to get this high-profile guy. I wouldn't be surprised if there are plans to send in the teams to take him illegally.

Despite the fact that there are other pressing problems, including illegal aliens bringing TONS of real illegal drugs into the country in the south every day and an out of control domestic meth problem, the federal government continues to skirt real issues and entertains follies about things it feels belittles its authority.

Paint me surprised if the guy who nails the seed guy doesn't get a congressional medal for his service to the country.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:19:54 PM EDT
I didnt post this to start another war on drugs fight...or did I by accident?
On the internet you can buy marijuana seeds, psylocibin spores, poppy seeds, mescal cactus buds and God knows what else.
This, I believe, is more of a move by the DEA to grandstand because he flaunts it. Otherwise they'd probably ignore it like they do the rest of the stuff.
I dont see any requests for extradition for these guys:

www.marijuana-seeds.net/

www.77seeds.com/

www.maryjanesgarden.com/

And there's way more of those if you google.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:21:26 PM EDT
Lets say I live in Free Virginia and I sell new standard cap mags to a fellow AR15'r in New York. Should I be prosecuted or shouldn't it be the responsibility of the buyer to ensure the legality in their home state?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:21:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 2:27:47 PM EDT by Granola]
So you are saying that a law you feel is unjust should be enforced just because it is a law?

edited b'cuz my speelun aint gud


Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.



You really think that?
Comparing marijuana seeds to opium or cocaine is like comparing a paper cut to a decapitation.



Yep. No drug is good or bad. There are simply legal, decriminalized and illegal. Good and bad are human traits that should never be applied to substances or objects. I see great hypocracy in those who feel their tobacco, alcohol, Marijuana, or Vicodin is okay but anothers methamphetamine, extacy, or heroin is somehow bad.

They should all be completely legalized but until that day existing law should be enforced.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:26:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.



You really think that?
Comparing marijuana seeds to opium or cocaine is like comparing a paper cut to a decapitation.



Yep. No drug is good or bad. There are simply legal, decriminalized and illegal. Good and bad are human traits that should never be applied to substances or objects. I see great hypocracy in those who feel their tobacco, alcohol, Marijuana, or Vicodin is okay but anothers methamphetamine, extacy, or heroin is somehow bad.

They should all be completely legalized but until that day existing law should be enforced.




Your initial analogy is ridiculous, no matter how you try to explain it. They guy is a Canadian citizen who was selling seeds. And somehow you see this as the same as a terrorist in another country shipping opium here. Sorry but that arguement doesn't hold water.

And as far as viewing all drugs as simply the same, again kind of silly. I've known of many LEO's who will dump a dime bag of pot out on the side of the road, but wouldn't do the same with a crack rock.

So yes, it was illegal. But is it really worth our time and energy to mess with this guy?

I don't think so. We've got MUCH bigger problems.........
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:42:39 PM EDT

Ill chime in as I pack my bowl of some indo funk in free America. America's priorities are all sorts of messed up. The government is all pissed because they were not getting their cut on the seed sale. I do not get why the DEA would spend an 18 month investigation on this. I wonder what the government paid for that 18 month investigation. One out of Two people here in America smoke weed. But because its a no no its worth spending millions of dollars a year to fight a problem that will never have a happy end.

America is STUPID!

Why doesn't the Government spend some of that money and get the freaking gas down under $2 again. Or lock up the boarders. There are so many things that America should be doing but because its not politically right they do not do it.

Well Im BlAzzED now! Time to go have sex with my girlfriend!





Just kidding im dry today, I herd there is a hold up on the weed at the border!


coming dear!
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:45:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:
"Oppressed"? And he lives in a socialist State. What a dumb bastard. He should be extradited for showing such disrespect to this nation and its laws.



+1*10^50 And anyone caught playing offshore-based internet poker. Burn 'em at the stake.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:54:37 PM EDT
I guess the Heroin and coke traffickers, terrorists, murderers,and human smugglers on the southern border are too tough for dea, and the other alphabets......

It's nice to see the Feds have their priorities in order.........

Seems like we fight the drug war just like all the other "wars".
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:56:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By callgood:

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:
"Oppressed"? And he lives in a socialist State. What a dumb bastard. He should be extradited for showing such disrespect to this nation and its laws.



+1*10^50 And anyone caught playing offshore-based internet poker. Burn 'em at the stake.



There's a difference even between the often overlooked joint or gambling and this now incarcerated jackass. He flaunts it. He does it in the face of the authorities, daring them to arrest him. Well, he wants it, he gots it. (Cool Hand Luke paraphrase!). You want to be an activist for something, go for it. Break the law, expect the consequences. Nothing pisses me off more than "civil disobedience" activists who cry foul when the "civil" part cracks them upside their dumb skull.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 3:27:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Granola:
So you are saying that a law you feel is unjust should be enforced just because it is a law?




Yes. In fact they should be enforced so agressively as to create a public(voter) uproar that results in throwing out the bastards that pass such laws and repealing bad laws off the books.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 3:58:12 PM EDT
I thought that seeds and hemp based products were legal. I used to see them for sale in places when I lived in Houston.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:06:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Granola:
So you are saying that a law you feel is unjust should be enforced just because it is a law?




Yes. In fact they should be enforced so agressively as to create a public(voter) uproar that results in throwing out the bastards that pass such laws and repealing bad laws off the books.




Unfortunatley the citizens of this country will not have the last laugh. We threw out prohibition long ago. Instead of firing the redundant, unemployable "agents", they gave them new jobs as firearms regulators in the name of Socialism.

If they cancelled the drug laws the DEA would be reassigned to the new Socialist spectroscopic anal probe division of the US government. I'm sure there would be tax dollars involved there too.

Maybe I'm just naive, but can anyone name a new government program or law in the last 100 years that isn't socialist? That limits government power or taxing interests?

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:08:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.



You really think that?
Comparing marijuana seeds to opium or cocaine is like comparing a paper cut to a decapitation.



Lemme change your wording slightly:

"Comparing marijuana seeds to opium or cocaine is like comparing assault with a deadly weapon to premeditated murder."

There. That's better.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:23:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 4:25:47 PM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By mcantu:
I thought that seeds and hemp based products were legal. I used to see them for sale in places when I lived in Houston.



Cannabis seeds sold commercially in the US have to be sterile. The seeds Marc Emery's been selling for at least a decade (I remember some of his prices being as high as $300 for TEN SEEDS)are very potent strains. The law in Canada makes ownership and sale of seeds legal, just not germination and cultivation. But even if you do, the worst that will happen is confiscation (I think they convict large-scale organized crime operations though).

He's just rolling in money, as are a lot of Canadian growers who export to the US. Big business.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:28:20 PM EDT
DAMNIT!
Wish I had known about his website BEFORE he was picked up.

Err...

NO NO! Never mind. Nothing to see here, move along move along......
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:34:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaintItBlack:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Granola:
So you are saying that a law you feel is unjust should be enforced just because it is a law?




Yes. In fact they should be enforced so agressively as to create a public(voter) uproar that results in throwing out the bastards that pass such laws and repealing bad laws off the books.




Unfortunatley the citizens of this country will not have the last laugh. We threw out prohibition long ago. Instead of firing the redundant, unemployable "agents", they gave them new jobs as firearms regulators in the name of Socialism.

If they cancelled the drug laws the DEA would be reassigned...



You are absolutely correct. Complete legalization might result in less cops. But decriminalization, where drugs are regulated, taxed, and sold to adults by approved vedors like alcohol is now would likely need even more police to enforce those regulations. Instead of arresting people for selling weed we would arrested people for selling weed to 20 year olds. instead of ticketing people for possession of weed we would ticket them for open container of weed while driving or in public. Only when there are NO regulations dealing with drugs will we need less cops.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:17:44 PM EDT
It is political. Karen Tandy, the DEA Director issued a statement saying that they intended this as a blow against the legalization movement. The stupid bitch apparently didn't realize that would bolster his argument that the US is really engaging in political repression.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 11:42:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
It is political. Karen Tandy, the DEA Director issued a statement saying that they intended this as a blow against the legalization movement. The stupid bitch apparently didn't realize that would bolster his argument that the US is really engaging in political repression.



Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:34:47 AM EDT
The problem with the Canadian seed sellers is that many of them guarantee delivery into the U.S. When Customs seizes the packages, which happens daily, the shipper continues to re-send until the buyer has received his seeds. Personally, I think it should stop, but I don't see 10 years being appropriate.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:06:59 AM EDT

I've known of many LEO's who will dump a dime bag of pot out on the side of the road, but wouldn't do the same with a crack rock.


A stat's a stat no matter what it is in my book but those LEO's probably had "better things to do".
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:15:04 AM EDT
What a waste of time. The DEA isn't any better than the ATF. Leave the guy alone.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:19:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 5:43:02 AM EDT by Johninaustin]
300$ for 10 SEEDS!! I need to find this moron's mailing list.

I'm roughing out the ad as I type.

"Finest most potent Central Texas dirt ever dug. Guaranteed to be free of rocks. COMPLETELY LEGAL!! Be the envy of your pothead friends as you eat dirt in plain sight of the police.

Most potent dirt high you will ever experience. Non-addictive, all natural.

$300 per ounce in a plain brown wrapper straight to your door. 20% discount on quantities of 10 ounces or more.

Free shipping.

COMING SOON!! Central Texas Mesquite thorns. Perfect for self-practice acupuncture. Reuseable.

ETA: Hey! Maybe I've found a way to dispose of all those fired primers collecting in the bin under the reloading press.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:36:29 AM EDT
Gotta keep the cops, and the feds, in business.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:44:41 AM EDT
Who does the US think they’re kidding?

No way in hell Canada will let this guy do one day in an American prison.

This is what the War on Drugs has come to? Cheat beating in the news media?

As if this WoD weren’t enough of a sad embarrassment already…
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:51:57 AM EDT
11 time drug dealer, why is he still breathing?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:05:43 AM EDT
Interesting Forbes article on just how huge of a business pot is.

www.forbes.com/home/2003/10/29/cx_jp_1029cannabits.html
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:07:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
300$ for 10 SEEDS!! I need to find this moron's mailing list.

I'm roughing out the ad as I type.

"Finest most potent Central Texas dirt ever dug. Guaranteed to be free of rocks. COMPLETELY LEGAL!! Be the envy of your pothead friends as you eat dirt in plain sight of the police.

Most potent dirt high you will ever experience. Non-addictive, all natural.

$300 per ounce in a plain brown wrapper straight to your door. 20% discount on quantities of 10 ounces or more.

Free shipping.


COMING SOON!! Central Texas Mesquite thorns. Perfect for self-practice acupuncture. Reuseable.

ETA: Hey! Maybe I've found a way to dispose of all those fired primers collecting in the bin under the reloading press.



Dont forget the "Lite Dirt" "Tastes Great! Less filling!!!"

I honestly think people might buy your dirt.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:15:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
No different than an afgani who shipped opium to the US or a Columbian who shipped Cocaine to the US IMO.



I don't use drugs and have no use for people who do but to equate Cocaine and Opium to weed is utterly ridicules.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:19:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Lets say I live in Free Virginia and I sell new standard cap mags to a fellow AR15'r in New York. Should I be prosecuted or shouldn't it be the responsibility of the buyer to ensure the legality in their home state?



When I lived in jersey the only thing that was illegal about high cap mags was possession if they were not temp or perm blocked to accept no more than 15 rds.
If I bought them through EE I would ask the seller to drop a dowel in them for me, most said OK because they knew the law.
There is no law against anyone selling them a high cap mag and mailing it to them.
The "crime" was for possession with in the state on NJ.
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