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Posted: 6/5/2009 10:09:51 AM EST
What's up with the military of our neighbor's to the North? Oh Canada! I have seen a few pics of these guys in action, and they look as if they got their shit together. Anyone got some more? I've come to the conclusion these guys are not your typical South Park cartoon characters! Thanks to them!
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:26:32 AM EST
What are you on aboot?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:27:26 AM EST
But we still don't forgive them for Brian Adams.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:36:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By snoopaloop:
But we still don't forgive them for Brian Adams.


We cannot forgive. We cannot forget.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:37:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By hoodwink:
What's up with the military of our neighbor's to the North? Oh Canada! I have seen a few pics of these guys in action, and they look as if they got their shit together. Anyone got some more? I've come to the conclusion these guys are not your typical South Park cartoon characters! Thanks to them!


They are a large, well funded force of draftees, with immense power projection capabilities, integrated combat arms, and a independent nuclear ballistic submarine fleet.

Oh...you were serious?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:38:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By snoopaloop:
But we still don't forgive them for Brian Adams.


We cannot forgive. We cannot forget.


Celine Dion…

My heart will go on… and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:39:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By hoodwink:
What's up with the military of our neighbor's to the North? Oh Canada! I have seen a few pics of these guys in action, and they look as if they got their shit together. Anyone got some more? I've come to the conclusion these guys are not your typical South Park cartoon characters! Thanks to them!





They have gay french milk…





Link Posted: 6/5/2009 10:57:05 AM EST
Their military is a joke. Their soldiers are squared away. That's been my experience with them anyway.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:10:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 11:32:35 AM EST by GLHX2112]



Seriously, all the Canadian Forces guys and gals I have worked with have been pretty high-speed.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:23:16 AM EST
check over at militaryphotos.net
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:29:25 AM EST
From my understanding the Canadian military is professional, but way underfunded. For one thing there was a new story a few years back I read, that stated they didn't have the funding to properly maintain or upgrade their Leopard 1 tanks, nor the transport aircraft to deploy them overseas. I've also heard the navy is in a similar shape, with little funding to deploy some of the larger ships on a regular basis. I can't provide a source for that info, but that's my two cents.

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:32:55 AM EST
There are only about 40,000 service members, its about 1/3rd the size it should be.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:50:09 AM EST
From what I've heard the average Canadian soldier is very squared away.

Quality, not quantity.

This guy is JTF-2



RF
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:54:44 AM EST
They haven't needed much of a military for a long time. The individuals that serve are as good as any other country's service members. Unfortunately, they better start picking up the pace because the chosen one is going to cut our capabilities to the point where North America's security can't be guaranteed anymore.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:58:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By hoodwink:
What's up with the military of our neighbor's to the North? Oh Canada! I have seen a few pics of these guys in action, and they look as if they got their shit together. Anyone got some more? I've come to the conclusion these guys are not your typical South Park cartoon characters! Thanks to them!


They do an outstanding job with the limited funding they get.

I heard they got their budget doubled so they can have two squads per platoon now ;-)
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 11:59:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 11:59:51 AM EST by DK-Prof]
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:03:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By snoopaloop:
But we still don't forgive them for Brian Adams.


Ouch! That cut cut like a knife...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:20:31 PM EST
Before this thread spirals into a Canadian military bashin' festivus... Please keep in mind that The United States has a population of approximately 304 Million people.
Canada is roughly 33 million.

That's just a hair over 10% of the population of the US.

So... I'd suggest that for a country just 10% the size of the USA we do just fine military-wise.
Certainly better than all the internet special forces gathered here.


I know for a fact that any Canadian unit can out drink any US outfit.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:22:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Their military is a joke - Bullshit. Their soldiers are squared away - agree - most of them are just as most US soldiers are. That's been my experience with them anyway - where exactly did you get your experience.


Having worked in Afghanistan with them, i feel i need to correct a few mis-impressions
1 - the soldiers i worked with were professional and well trained - they had 1 or 2 knuckleheads but we (US) had 1-2 our selves.
2 - the top Brass are competent career soldiers, i have personally met their Gen Andrew Leslie, he was squared away, and when he spoke he knew what he was talking abooot
3 - The Canadian Government is more of a Impediment to the Operations of the Canadian forces than the terrain / logistics / battle space. Due to the Canadian .gov almost paranoia of casualties they send directives down the chain of command that severely hamper the ability of the shooters to actually get out and fight.
4 - can you tell me who has the longest confirmed sniper kill - (hint - Google Rod Furlong) - this will also show you the political involvement in Canadian military affairs.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:23:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Colby:
Originally Posted By snoopaloop:
But we still don't forgive them for Brian Adams.


Ouch! That cut cut like a knife...


Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:40:45 PM EST
Hey, we gave you Elisha Cuthbert , that should make up for Celine Dion .

Our soldiers kick ass, but they could use a few more toys...




Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:42:31 PM EST
Adjusting for population and GDP: The Canadian Government spends roughly 50% of what comparable Western Countries spend as a % of GDP on Defence.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:42:47 PM EST
didnt they give us pam anderson also???

thats right run down the beach... slowly...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:44:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By vito113:
Adjusting for population and GDP: The Canadian Government spends roughly 50% of what comparable Western Countries spend as a % of GDP on Defence.


Thats about right.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 12:57:49 PM EST
Their MREs are better than ours from what I recall in Iraq.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 1:06:10 PM EST
Canada outsources security to the U.S.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:23:00 PM EST
Our boys are still in Afghanistan doing what they can with a budget crippled by 13 years of liberal government, the funding has been slightly better for the last 3 years thanks to a minority conservative government...

I don't remember the name of the soldier who took these pics but you might not have seen these:




Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:30:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 2:36:51 PM EST by jayhanfosho]
I have a friend who is in the Canadian Army. He is a tank commander (?). He likes to point out how their tanks are better than ours.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:31:13 PM EST
Good Soldiers, doing what they can with what they got. I've met a number of them and like anywhere else I would say for the most part they are squared away.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:32:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 2:33:16 PM EST by Jinxsters]
Originally Posted By Girlieman:
Before this thread spirals into a Canadian military bashin' festivus... Please keep in mind that The United States has a population of approximately 304 Million people.
Canada is roughly 33 million.

That's just a hair over 10% of the population of the US.

So... I'd suggest that for a country just 10% the size of the USA we do just fine military-wise.
Certainly better than all the internet special forces gathered here.


I know for a fact that any Canadian unit can out drink any US outfit.



You obviously have never heard of the engineer song.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:36:30 PM EST
From what I saw from them in Afghanistan I would definitely say they do have their shit together.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:38:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 2:40:30 PM EST by JoshAston]
Originally Posted By runs-with-scissors:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Their military is a joke - Bullshit. Their soldiers are squared away - agree - most of them are just as most US soldiers are. That's been my experience with them anyway - where exactly did you get your experience.


Having worked in Afghanistan with them, i feel i need to correct a few mis-impressions
1 - the soldiers i worked with were professional and well trained - they had 1 or 2 knuckleheads but we (US) had 1-2 our selves.
2 - the top Brass are competent career soldiers, i have personally met their Gen Andrew Leslie, he was squared away, and when he spoke he knew what he was talking abooot
3 - The Canadian Government is more of a Impediment to the Operations of the Canadian forces than the terrain / logistics / battle space. Due to the Canadian .gov almost paranoia of casualties they send directives down the chain of command that severely hamper the ability of the shooters to actually get out and fight.
4 - can you tell me who has the longest confirmed sniper kill - (hint - Google Rod Furlong) - this will also show you the political involvement in Canadian military affairs.


That is why I said their military is a joke but their soldiers are squared away. I fail to see where we are disagreeing? My experience with the Canadian .mil has been through joint exercises here. May have run into a few in the desert, but all I can recall over there were Brits and Aussies.

Like many other people have pointed out as well, the soldiers are doing what they can with what they have. Therefore the soldiers are squared away, but due to the governments unwillingness to properly administrate it, the military is a joke.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:42:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By GLHX2112:
Seriously, all the Canadian Forces guys and gals I have worked with have been pretty high-speed.

This. And incredibly friendly...freakishly, scarily friendly. Something's going on...

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:53:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By jayhanfosho:
I have a friend who is in the Canadian Army. He is a tank commander (?). He likes to point out how their tanks are better than ours.


If only the damn politicos could finish their bickering and allow more funds to finish buying / upgrading some Leopard 2's. We are nowhere near the US' tank force in numbers though...
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:55:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 2:58:32 PM EST by jayhanfosho]
Originally Posted By Matt_mg:
Originally Posted By jayhanfosho:
I have a friend who is in the Canadian Army. He is a tank commander (?). He likes to point out how their tanks are better than ours.


If only the damn politicos could finish their bickering and allow more funds to finish buying / upgrading some Leopard 2's. We are nowhere near the US' tank force in numbers though...


Yeah. He says the US' are quantity whereas the Canada's are quality.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 2:57:16 PM EST
canadas army comes in bags.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:01:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 3:03:50 PM EST by R0N]
The lower echelon troops are good to go. However some of the senior enlisted and higher ranking officers are not really too great. Not to say all are that way, I did meet some that had no issues.

One time I was kicked out of Canadian Col's office because my unit was using too much fire power. He did not like it when he said "The problems with you Americans is don't know understand the theory of Counter-Insurgency" my response, your right we have been fighting one for 5 years, so we may not be all that good at theory.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:03:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
The Canadians are kicking ass and taking names in Afghanistan, as far as I know.



Sometimes they are some times they aren't. TFK does some good things and somethings that is highly dubious.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:03:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 3:04:27 PM EST by Johnny_Reno]

Who holds the record for the longest range sniper kill?
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:06:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By xaaronx:
canadas army comes in bags.




Originally Posted By jayhanfosho:
Originally Posted By Matt_mg:
Originally Posted By jayhanfosho:
I have a friend who is in the Canadian Army. He is a tank commander (?). He likes to point out how their tanks are better than ours.


If only the damn politicos could finish their bickering and allow more funds to finish buying / upgrading some Leopard 2's. We are nowhere near the US' tank force in numbers though...


Yeah. He says the US' are quantity whereas the Canada's are quality.


Part of the job is being able to brag I think but we have 201 tanks while the US has nearly 6000... (How do you guys even get around without tripping on a M1 Abrahams???)
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:09:09 PM EST
In 1977, we took 15 RF-4C's to the Canadian base at Baden Baden, Germany as part of Reforger. We also took almost 200 people to support the planes.

The Canadians laughed at us and said they about died when they saw how many people we brought and would have brought maybe 50.

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:10:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By Jinxsters:
Originally Posted By Girlieman:

I know for a fact that any Canadian unit can out drink any US outfit.



You obviously have never heard of the engineer song.



Well... maybe not...

I would post the words to the drinking songs I sang during my time in the forces, but they would violate the Arfcom COC
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:14:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By snoopaloop:
But we still don't forgive them for Brian Adams.


We cannot forgive. We cannot forget.


Celine Dion…

My heart will go on… and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…and on…


Why can't that bitch just drown already.

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:17:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By vito113:
Adjusting for population and GDP: The Canadian Government spends roughly 50% of what comparable Western Countries spend as a % of GDP on Defence.


That's because they don't have to spend anymore. It helps when the US is your neighbor to the south.

The Canadian Military Members=good to go.
The Canadian Politicians who fund the military=ass clowns.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:18:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Adjusting for population and GDP: The Canadian Government spends roughly 50% of what comparable Western Countries spend as a % of GDP on Defence.


Thats aboot right.

Fixed.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:19:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 3:21:18 PM EST by replicators]
Originally Posted By pjnorth:
Hey, we gave you Elisha Cuthbert , that should make up for Celine Dion .

Our soldiers kick ass, but they could use a few more toys...


Hell, Elisha Cuthbert more than makes up for Celine Dion.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:43:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:

Who holds the record for the longest range sniper kill?


A Canadian sniper with a .50. Believe it was a Barrett. Range was around 2500m. Don't remember the name or the exact details. Like I've been saying, the soldiers are squared away.
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 3:53:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:

Who holds the record for the longest range sniper kill?


A Canadian sniper with a .50. Believe it was a Barrett. Range was around 2500m. Don't remember the name or the exact details. Like I've been saying, the soldiers are squared away.


Rob Furlong with a McMillan TAC-50 from 2430m
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 4:12:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2009 4:19:21 PM EST by BlueDevilRunner2633]
Originally Posted By TheCanuck:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:

Who holds the record for the longest range sniper kill?


A Canadian sniper with a .50. Believe it was a Barrett. Range was around 2500m. Don't remember the name or the exact details. Like I've been saying, the soldiers are squared away.


Rob Furlong with a McMillan TAC-50 from 2430m


CBC Interview with Rob Furlong and canadian sniper school

ETA: Stupid reporter mentions that the TAC-50 can shoot down an airliner
Link Posted: 6/5/2009 4:13:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheCanuck:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:

Who holds the record for the longest range sniper kill?


A Canadian sniper with a .50. Believe it was a Barrett. Range was around 2500m. Don't remember the name or the exact details. Like I've been saying, the soldiers are squared away.


Rob Furlong with a McMillan TAC-50 from 2430m


He can shoot right or left handed also, although he's a cop now. I was born in Nfld and have met him. He says he's not even the best shot out of his group of friends he grew up with back home.

Link Posted: 6/5/2009 4:27:00 PM EST
The Canadian can boast they kicked us out of their country twice. We invaded in 1776 and our army was captured in Quebec. We tried several times in the War of 1812 and they soundly thrashed us again. The Fenians went in after the Civil War and were also ran out of that place.
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