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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:21:00 PM EDT
taking a simple 55 gallon drum, cut out the front back and adding some bed liner then carpet or foam to absorb muzzle report?
Or is this a silencer by the ATF? Saw a pic at a Swiss shooting range with every line with these to help reduce noise pollution. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:22:18 PM EDT
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:22:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:23:06 PM EDT
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Pics aren't loading but a permanent installation to reduce sound from shooting is not a suppressor per ATF/NFA regs.
I've seen rows of tires used in a similar fashion. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:23:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. This. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:23:31 PM EDT
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Why would the ATF care if you put nothing in your yard? They are the dept of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. No white boxes mentioned in any of that.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:24:09 PM EDT
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. But what if the drum is attached to a shoelace? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:25:06 PM EDT
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Here is a letter from the ATF from 2010.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:25:11 PM EDT
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But what if the drum is attached to a shoelace? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. But what if the drum is attached to a shoelace? as long as you dont shoulder it you're good to go. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:26:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:28:32 PM EDT
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Pics aren't loading but a permanent installation to reduce sound from shooting is not a suppressor per ATF/NFA regs. I've seen rows of tires used in a similar fashion. I started typing the thread and when I would go to get the pics the text on my thread would disappear so I would have to retype it. So instead I posted it and added the pics after. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:32:41 PM EDT
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needs more testicle expansion chambers.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:34:55 PM EDT
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Pics aren't loading but a permanent installation to reduce sound from shooting is not a suppressor per ATF/NFA regs. I've seen rows of tires used in a similar fashion. What if it's portable? Like a 2'x2' wood box lines with rubber for a backyard? Technically it's portable but not on person portable. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:35:46 PM EDT
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tag i want to see the finished product
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:37:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:38:05 PM EDT
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Double tap. Please delete.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:39:34 PM EDT
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:39:47 PM EDT
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. Ever heard of a SIG Brace? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:40:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryRight but just because you can do something does not mean it's legal. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:41:16 PM EDT
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I saw one made with a 55 gallon drum it worked well
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:42:25 PM EDT
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Can someone write a few hundred letters to the ATF for clarification, please?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:42:46 PM EDT
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This. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. This. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:43:45 PM EDT
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I saw an installation where the guy strapped twenty old tires together and laid them in a shallow box to keep them upright.
ETA - just read the ATF decision letter. They ruled on exactly that! |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:46:15 PM EDT
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns. You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:53:41 PM EDT
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State Parks here have public ranges that have just about the same setup. I believe they use blue poly drums with old foam sheets inside.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:55:39 PM EDT
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. This. I would have said the same thing, but the Code and Regulations say "Any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including..." They say "portable firearm"--nothing about the suppressor being portable or attached to the gun. A suppressor includes (but is not limited to) anything after the word including in the Code, Regs and letter above. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:56:01 PM EDT
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You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns. You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. some of them are as loud as a 22lr |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:57:03 PM EDT
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You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns. You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. He's in CA-farts are illegal (farts have been found by the State of California to cause cancer in rats). |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:59:45 PM EDT
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some of them are as loud as a 22lr Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns. You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. some of them are as loud as a 22lr 1,200 fps bullet at 17 grains is as loud as a 36 grain bullet at 1,200 fps. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:00:18 PM EDT
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You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns. You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. Never shot a spring piston air rifle have you? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:01:39 PM EDT
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But what if the drum is attached to a shoelace? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. But what if the drum is attached to a shoelace? It would be considered a WMD. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:02:42 PM EDT
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If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone ask if a "barrel or tube sitting on the ground you shot through to absorb noise is an illegal silencer", I'd have like... 15 dollars by now.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:21:27 PM EDT
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OP wants to suppress an air rifle.
Air rifles are not firearms - at least according to ATF - ergo air rifle suppressors attached to the rifle itself are OK. One company even sells a model with an integral suppressor. A drum type muffler not attached to the rifle is definitely OK. However, we are dealing with California. Therefore, I suspect they define an air rifle (among many other non-firearm devices) as a firearm. So you won't have any trouble from ATF, but you might run afoul of Cali rules. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:24:39 PM EDT
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Several models of air rifles have suppressors already attached. Hell, they sell them at Wal-Mart.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:26:16 PM EDT
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OP wants to suppress an air rifle. Air rifles are not firearms - at least according to ATF - ergo air rifle suppressors attached to the rifle itself are OK. One company even sells a model with an integral suppressor. A drum type muffler not attached to the rifle is definitely OK. However, we are dealing with California. Therefore, I suspect they define an air rifle (among many other non-firearm devices) as a firearm. So you won't have any trouble from ATF, but you might run afoul of Cali rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
OP wants to suppress an air rifle. Air rifles are not firearms - at least according to ATF - ergo air rifle suppressors attached to the rifle itself are OK. One company even sells a model with an integral suppressor. A drum type muffler not attached to the rifle is definitely OK. However, we are dealing with California. Therefore, I suspect they define an air rifle (among many other non-firearm devices) as a firearm. So you won't have any trouble from ATF, but you might run afoul of Cali rules. Quoted:
Several models of air rifles have suppressors already attached. Hell, they sell them at Wal-Mart. The ATF has ruled that Air rifle, paintball, and Airsoft suppressors that can attach and detach from those devices are "readily convertible" to use on firearms, and as such are considered illegal unregistered suppressors. The ones that exist on the market now, like the Gamo whisper or whatever, are permanent parts of the barrel and as such do not meet the "readily convertible" criteria. So you can have an air rifle, paintball, or Airsoft suppressor, but it had better be permanent and part of the barrel. And of course the stand alone tube or whatever full of foam, carpet etc. on the ground you shoot through, is still not an NFA suppressor no matter what you shoot through it. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:28:14 PM EDT
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Never shot a spring piston air rifle have you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My yard is too small for rimfire and no way for center fire. I want to reduce the sound of my .22 or .177 pellet guns. You're trying to cover the sound of a .17 pellet gun? Just fart over the noise. Never shot a spring piston air rifle have you? I have four. Maybe I just have Tier 1 farts. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:34:33 PM EDT
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. The gun has to be man portable too. That is why Remington can mount suppressors on their 8 gauge kiln guns that are more like mini artillery pieces. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:35:09 PM EDT
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The ATF has ruled that Air rifle, paintball, and Airsoft suppressors that can attach and detach from those devices are "readily convertible" to use on firearms, and as such are considered illegal unregistered suppressors. The ones that exist on the market now, like the Gamo whisper or whatever, are permanent parts of the barrel and as such do not meet the "readily convertible" criteria. So you can have an air rifle, paintball, or Airsoft suppressor, but it had better be permanent and part of the barrel. And of course the stand alone tube or whatever full of foam, carpet etc. on the ground you shoot through, is still not an NFA suppressor no matter what you shoot through it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP wants to suppress an air rifle. Air rifles are not firearms - at least according to ATF - ergo air rifle suppressors attached to the rifle itself are OK. One company even sells a model with an integral suppressor. A drum type muffler not attached to the rifle is definitely OK. However, we are dealing with California. Therefore, I suspect they define an air rifle (among many other non-firearm devices) as a firearm. So you won't have any trouble from ATF, but you might run afoul of Cali rules. Quoted:
Several models of air rifles have suppressors already attached. Hell, they sell them at Wal-Mart. The ATF has ruled that Air rifle, paintball, and Airsoft suppressors that can attach and detach from those devices are "readily convertible" to use on firearms, and as such are considered illegal unregistered suppressors. The ones that exist on the market now, like the Gamo whisper or whatever, are permanent parts of the barrel and as such do not meet the "readily convertible" criteria. So you can have an air rifle, paintball, or Airsoft suppressor, but it had better be permanent and part of the barrel. And of course the stand alone tube or whatever full of foam, carpet etc. on the ground you shoot through, is still not an NFA suppressor no matter what you shoot through it. It figures...buncha spoilsports. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:47:39 PM EDT
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I haven't begun construction of the range on my land yet, but I've pondered different ideas on how to minimize the noise.
I have no idea if this would work or not, but I had thought about building two wooden structures (shaped like box culverts) such that one structure was 12 - 18 inches larger than the other structure. Then I could fill the space in between with shredded tires or some other noise abatement material. Something like this... _________ |oooooooooo| |o|-----------|o| |o|-----------|o| |o|-----------|o| |o|-----------|o| |o|-----------|o| |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:47:56 PM EDT
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It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. This. Other wise noise dampening foam in indoor ranges would be illegal. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 5:11:05 PM EDT
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Is the drum on a treadmill?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 5:12:57 PM EDT
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needs more testicle expansion chambers. http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/jtothed82/tank.jpg Good thing that suppressor has camo painted on it. Otherwise it might be noticeable. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 5:19:00 PM EDT
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Well, if it works well, they'd never know about it now would they?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 5:42:54 PM EDT
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OFFS
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun has to be man portable too. That is why Remington can mount suppressors on their 8 gauge kiln guns that are more like mini artillery pieces. http://www.remington.com/~/media/Images/Ammunition/Black-Powder/masterblaster.ashx Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. The gun has to be man portable too. That is why Remington can mount suppressors on their 8 gauge kiln guns that are more like mini artillery pieces. http://www.remington.com/~/media/Images/Ammunition/Black-Powder/masterblaster.ashx What on earth is that and where do I get one? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:43:33 PM EDT
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It's not illegal until you get caught.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What on earth is that and where do I get one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not a silencer if it's not attached to the gun. The gun has to be man portable too. That is why Remington can mount suppressors on their 8 gauge kiln guns that are more like mini artillery pieces. http://www.remington.com/~/media/Images/Ammunition/Black-Powder/masterblaster.ashx What on earth is that and where do I get one? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:48:00 PM EDT
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My mom (God Rest Her Soul) gave me a bit of advice a long time ago that I still heed -
"Do whatever you want to do. Just don't get caught"
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:51:29 PM EDT
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One of the local public ranges used concrete culverts set up in front of the benches.
It may be quieter on the folks to either side of you, but it will make you want to find someplace else to go shooting. Your idea of using carpet may help that some. You'll just have to try it and find out. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 1:05:15 PM EDT
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My uncle shoots through a tube of used tires and it work pretty well to keep the noise down on his property.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 1:36:19 PM EDT
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Use a plastic drum instead of metal.
A metal drum will still 'ring' when a high velocity round passes through it. Fucking annoying. |
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