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Posted: 2/6/2017 12:43:17 PM EDT
I have a bunch of libs all worked up with this article today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html


An all im getting is "THERES NOT DATA IN THAT ARTICLE!" AND "THERE IS NO DATA TO NOT SUPPORT CLIMATE CHANGE!". Im having trouble pulling up some good rebuttal data, does anyone have some good stuff? Thanks.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:45:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Just stick your fingers in your ears and say' "Neener neener neener! I can't hear you!"  Declare victory.

Ya gotta speak to them in their own language.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:46:13 PM EDT
[#2]
You will never convince those people, so don't waste your time.  Jesus himself could come back today and tell them they are wrong, and they would not believe him.  Can't change the mind if there is no mind.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:48:10 PM EDT
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the point of the article is that the authors of the paper didn't properly archive their data and that every time they ran the numbers, they got different results.  that's not science
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:51:06 PM EDT
[#4]
At this point its hard to deny that population growth and industrialization have impacted the earths climate.  (and this is coming from a very conservative person)
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:51:59 PM EDT
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the point of the article is that the authors of the paper didn't properly archive their data and that every time they ran the numbers, they got different results.  that's not science
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I totally agree with you. But i wish i could have some fancy graph to show the climate retards how wrong they are. Not that it will change anything, but i d just to have it.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:53:00 PM EDT
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data won't convince irrational people.

Climates change.  What's actually in debate is if Humans are causing it.  To that end... what's causing Mars' climate to change?  It's not Humans.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:53:08 PM EDT
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If it's date you want, make it up yourself.
Your made up data will be at least as accurate as the data made up by warmists. Perhaps more accurate.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:54:29 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of libs all worked up with this article today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html


An all im getting is "THERES NOT DATA IN THAT ARTICLE!" AND "THERE IS NO DATA TO NOT SUPPORT CLIMATE CHANGE!". Im having trouble pulling up some good rebuttal data, does anyone have some good stuff? Thanks.
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Ask to see the unmodified raw data.

Hint: you can't because it was all deleted
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:55:30 PM EDT
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Ask to see the unmodified raw data.

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using this....
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:55:41 PM EDT
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Riiiiiight...
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:56:09 PM EDT
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That research was done by a bunch of fog breathers.

Therefore, it's wrong.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:56:26 PM EDT
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I totally agree with you. But i wish i could have some fancy graph to show the climate retards how wrong they are. Not that it will change anything, but i d just to have it.
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Have any of their fancy graphs convinced you that you're wrong?  It's really a waste of your time.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:56:38 PM EDT
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Who is claiming that we aren't impacting the climate?  The real debate is about to what degree we are impacting it, and whether or not we should do anything about it.  I am of the opinion that our impact is minimal compared to natural variation, and that any attempt to mitigate that impact would cause us far more harm than simply adapting to it.  I am also not convinced that our impact on climate will be detrimental rather than beneficial to human civilization.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:56:53 PM EDT
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Easiest method to debate is to concede that yes, the temperatures change, so in that sense there is climate change, then pursue them to identify how much CO2 emission it takes to change the temperature 1 degree.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:57:38 PM EDT
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I was told that no one should trust a Murdoch owned tabloid.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:58:31 PM EDT
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Furthermore there's numerous cases of fraudulent data in support of climate change... making all of it suspect. 

Research seeking to challenge and verify climate study claims don't get funding.  If they truly support science then they should welcome and encourage skeptics to get funding to challenge their claims.  If they don't then they are hypocrites and should be called such.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 12:59:06 PM EDT
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Ask them to explain the retreat of the glaciers in glacier Bay.  Most of it happened in the 1800s before the heavy industrialization they claim has caused it.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:00:41 PM EDT
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I totally agree with you. But i wish i could have some fancy graph to show the climate retards how wrong they are. Not that it will change anything, but i d just to have it.
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the point of the article is that the authors of the paper didn't properly archive their data and that every time they ran the numbers, they got different results.  that's not science


I totally agree with you. But i wish i could have some fancy graph to show the climate retards how wrong they are. Not that it will change anything, but i d just to have it.


You need some kind of data to make a graph.  The article indicates that the data was garbage.

I'm sure you could come up with some logical fallacy that'll convince them though, it's worked very well to date.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:01:33 PM EDT
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Check out John Waynes thread, i think there might be something in it.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:06:23 PM EDT
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The formula used to calculate warming was flawed.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/25/monckton-fires-back-point-by-point-rebuttal-at-warmist-critics-of-new-peer-reviewed-study-shoddy-rent-a-quote-scientists/ 


Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:09:31 PM EDT
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Science much?

Such impact as man has had - is it large enough to be detected at all with current data and technology?  Yes or no .....
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:09:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:13:48 PM EDT
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I like to just go out to wikipedia on temperature of the earth and pull the temp changes from all of  history and for the last 800000 years.   both indicate that we should be in a warming spike right now... before the coming ice age. I stipulate that he earth IS warming up. If not, 2/3rds of North America would be under an sheet of ice. What SCIENCE has to prove is that MAN is the cause of any extra warming that is taking place, and how much. That's a hard thing to prove.   We are supposed to be warming now, and we haven't yet hit the high of the last four interglacials where man did not contribute appreciably to anything.  The last ice age was MUCH colder than the previous ice ages, and man had nothing to do with that, either.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:14:14 PM EDT
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He could also ask them if Charlemagne's SUVs caused the Medieval Warm Period.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:22:03 PM EDT
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My BIL is a climatologist. I have been arguing with him for the last few days about citing specific data proving that "Global Warming" is real and anthropogenic. As a research scientist, he could not provide me with any solid data but stated that it is real and is in fact Anthropogenic. He had a lot of information about the environment and cycles which I understand well but could not cite any specific data to prove anything that he was saying SO GOOD LUCK!
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:35:37 PM EDT
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You should hear Mitch Blake's climate change explanation.  He's the Manager of Coal Programs at the West Virginia Geological and Economic Survey. His explanations
can make the liberals heads spin.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:40:21 PM EDT
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My BIL is a climatologist. I have been arguing with him for the last few days about citing specific data proving that "Global Warming" is real and anthropogenic. As a research scientist, he could not provide me with any solid data but stated that it is real and is in fact Anthropogenic. He had a lot of information about the environment and cycles which I understand well but could not cite any specific data to prove anything that he was saying SO GOOD LUCK!
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Climatologist got to eat, too.   If he tells the people who funded his "research" that there's no such thing as "global warming", he wouldn't be a climatologist for long.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:45:08 PM EDT
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If you must argue with morons, ask them what is the correct temperature of the Earth.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:48:39 PM EDT
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I totally agree with you. But i wish i could have some fancy graph to show the climate retards how wrong they are. Not that it will change anything, but i d just to have it.
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Link Posted: 2/6/2017 1:59:22 PM EDT
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you'd easier tell Christians there is no Christ, Buddhists there's no Buddha, Islamists that Mohammad was a pedophile, Hindi's cows are hamburgers and steaks in fine leather packaging and Democrats that Hillary was a fine upstanding candidate..
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 2:23:23 PM EDT
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Here is the definitive resource you seek.  It gives the data and names names on who fiddled with it.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 2:28:25 PM EDT
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Other than physical, solid wastes in landfills, where is your "proof"?
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 2:30:36 PM EDT
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It's the whole way they go about it --  

Global Warming -
years ago - at the current rate and based on these numbers the oceans are going to rise and half of the worlds populated areas will be under water by 2020.
Our data proves it.

after we've been on a cooling trend for several years
There is another ice age coming. The polar caps are growing and based on these numbers we'll be plunged into the next ice age by the end of the century.
Our data proves it.

Now after being embarrassed and rebutted by other "real" scientists..
it's called Climate Change and their "data" show environmental impacts on this and this , etc.

We have to implement all of these regulations and kill coal and tell everyone what kind of bulb they can buy, yada , yada , yada.....

It's just like when the stop progress on an airport or new hydroelectric dam because of a green polka dot tabpole that only lives "here"
and a few years later they find thousands living in multiple areas around the world.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 2:32:09 PM EDT
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Just tell them that you do not believe in their religion.

That's what climate change "science" is -- a religious belief system.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 3:58:45 PM EDT
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OP-

Enjoy the reads and comments:
https://realclimatescience.com/

https://realclimatescience.com/the-corrupt-history-of-nasa-temperature-history/
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 4:03:24 PM EDT
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You might as well argue with a stump . The reality is that at most they have 150 years of data on a 10,000+ year old planet . It is statically insignificant .  The NOAA removed the map of the locations of the temp sensors used from their website after it was discovered that some of these sensors were located in places where they got higher than normal temperatures. 1 in Florida was located next to an interstate and other was located at the end of an airport runway getting hit with corporate jet exhaust . The data is flawed from day one .  . In the 70's these same loons were teaching the oncoming ice age and how the world was going to run out of oil in the 80's . I was in school and remember this well . The climate change crowd is anti freedom and anti capitalist . They are socialist to the core .


I always ask them what the correct temperature of the earth is .
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 4:43:17 PM EDT
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Prager University.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 4:53:13 PM EDT
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A huge flaw in environmental impact is that warming trend studies performed and all of the UN studies only look at Temp changes and make no claims about such other important weather data like "precipitation" or "opacity"  Heck how do you like your local forecast with temps only and no forecast or comprehension of precipitation - pretty much scant isn't it?
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 5:51:55 PM EDT
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Ask to see the unmodified raw data.

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I have a bunch of libs all worked up with this article today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html


An all im getting is "THERES NOT DATA IN THAT ARTICLE!" AND "THERE IS NO DATA TO NOT SUPPORT CLIMATE CHANGE!". Im having trouble pulling up some good rebuttal data, does anyone have some good stuff? Thanks.


Ask to see the unmodified raw data.

Hint: you can't because it was all deleted

And as someone who attended a prominent science and engineering school, you NEVER delete your data, and you ALWAYS record EVERY "adjustment" made to data and why it was made.  Which the "global warming" crowd refuses to do.  Which means their results are not reproducible, which means they aren't science.  This is 1000 level science stuff, not graduate studies.  Their models have NEVER been accurate, they can't plug in actual recorded data and get results anywhere close to what is currently happening, which means there are OTHER variables they aren't taking into account.  My SUV is not causing global warming on Mars, yet Mars is showing warming...
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 6:37:14 PM EDT
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I would ask them to explain the ice core records that show prehistoric global temperatures the same as we are experiencing today with 60 times the CO2 levels we see today.  Did the dinosaurs drive SUVs that drove up the CO2 levels back then?
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 6:41:31 PM EDT
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Science much?

Such impact as man has had - is it large enough to be detected at all with current data and technology?  Yes or no .....  
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At this point its hard to deny that population growth and industrialization have impacted the earths climate.  (and this is coming from a very conservative person)  


Science much?

Such impact as man has had - is it large enough to be detected at all with current data and technology?  Yes or no .....  


Please have your work take into account that one volcanic eruption like Mount Pinatubo places more greenhouse gas into the atmosphere as all human activity since the dawn of recorded human history.  But Man's piddling amounts of greenhouse emissions are enough to cause climate change while major volcanic eruptions that equal mankind's greenhouse emissions occur every few years and the climate has not changed.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 6:56:27 PM EDT
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I "won" an argument with a pro-climate changer (she quit posting, hee hee) with this:


I live in south central IL.  There are glacier moraines, coal mines, oil wells, and deposits of limestone.  So tell me, what is the exact temperature supposed to be where I live?
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 6:59:49 PM EDT
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I live in south central IL.  There are glacier moraines, coal mines, oil wells, and deposits of limestone.  So tell me, what is the exact temperature supposed to be where I live?
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What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?  Also, when they can give me an accurate 10 day forecast, MAYBE I'll reconsider the 50 year forecast.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 7:01:21 PM EDT
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You might as well argue with a stump . The reality is that at most they have 150 years of data on a 10,000+ year old planet . It is statically insignificant .  The NOAA removed the map of the locations of the temp sensors used from their website after it was discovered that some of these sensors were located in places where they got higher than normal temperatures. 1 in Florida was located next to an interstate and other was located at the end of an airport runway getting hit with corporate jet exhaust . The data is flawed from day one .  . In the 70's these same loons were teaching the oncoming ice age and how the world was going to run out of oil in the 80's . I was in school and remember this well . The climate change crowd is anti freedom and anti capitalist . They are socialist to the core .


I always ask them what the correct temperature of the earth is .
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Ugh we have more than 150 years of data depending on what data you are talking about. For example ice cores.

The earthbis a little more than 10k years old.

It doesn't lend well to your argument to start with such absurdities.
Link Posted: 2/6/2017 7:17:06 PM EDT
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What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?  Also, when they can give me an accurate 10 day forecast, MAYBE I'll reconsider the 50 year forecast.
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I live in south central IL.  There are glacier moraines, coal mines, oil wells, and deposits of limestone.  So tell me, what is the exact temperature supposed to be where I live?

What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?  Also, when they can give me an accurate 10 day forecast, MAYBE I'll reconsider the 50 year forecast.
I'd be happy with an accurate 4 day forecast...
Link Posted: 2/10/2017 2:31:40 AM EDT
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Ugh we have more than 150 years of data depending on what data you are talking about. For example ice cores.

The earthbis a little more than 10k years old.

It doesn't lend well to your argument to start with such absurdities.
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No - we have 150 years of poor quality data with maybe 30 years of so-so data at the end.

What we have before that are anecdotal evidence and a multitude of PROXIES - which are not, in fact, temperature data.  For the record, all such proxies have major problems.
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never ask that question again.  it's an absurdity--the climate equivalent of "then why are there still monkeys???"

there are many valid ways to critique the AGW thesis.  that's not one of them.
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