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Posted: 6/17/2014 3:38:06 PM EST
Can border States win a case against the federal government for failing to enforce immigration laws?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:38:55 PM EST
lol no
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:40:02 PM EST
I wish!!!!1
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:41:20 PM EST
No, but if I was them I would be rounding up illegals and dropping them off in DC!
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:41:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Can border States win a case against the federal government for failing to enforce immigration laws?
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Californians passed prop. 187 to stop paying for illegals. Feds intervened, California sued to force feds to enforce immigration AND pay the state for all the illegals they are forced to support.
Basically feds said to FOAD.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:41:37 PM EST
They have a case, but no they cannot win.

If a state wanted to control their own borders like Texas or Arazona they'd have to kick out DHS and all their worthless ROE.

The state gov should activate the Natl. Guard and have them patrol the boarder and man OP/LP.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:42:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sketti:
No, but if I was them I would be rounding up illegals and dropping them off in DC!
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Would that be legal? I would donate for fuel.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:44:57 PM EST
No, next question please.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:46:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2014 3:47:11 PM EST by itstock]
Yes they have a good case no they can't win. How do I answer your poll?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:48:18 PM EST
FUCK zEROBAMA
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:50:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:

Would that be legal? I would donate for fuel.
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Sketti:
No, but if I was them I would be rounding up illegals and dropping them off in DC!

Would that be legal? I would donate for fuel.


Only if you don't get caught.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:57:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sketti:
No, but if I was them I would be rounding up illegals and dropping them off in DC!
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Great idea, could drop them off right in front of the White House tell them their citizenship paperwork is in the big white building you just have to get past the fence to get to it and see how fast they flood the White House lawn.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:00:42 PM EST
No. But they have a great case.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:02:37 PM EST
I voted no, but it's not because they have a bad case.
We looked into taking all of our illegals each quarter and busing them to Brownsville and dumping them at the border. The feds not only said no but fuck no. We were told that we as a local sheriff's office cannot enforce immigration law and we would be guilty of kidnapping if we did it.
Fuck the feds and fuck the Kenyan and his wookie wife
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:05:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2014 4:07:42 PM EST by fla556guy]
I voted "they have a good case"

that being said, I have no faith that the justice system would decide in favor of standing law like it is required to.

ETA: If it was a wager of money, I'd have to say that the court would probably find that it's discriminatory or some other dumb claim and then overturn a bunch of standing law.

Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:10:02 PM EST
Obama is just a loser on the lowest level we have ever known.....
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:11:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2014 4:11:52 PM EST by bagofcrabs65]
Sure they have a case. However, no court will entertain it.

Hell, states can't even enforce their own immigration laws without the feds stopping them...
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:13:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By itstock:
Yes they have a good case no they can't win. How do I answer your poll?
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Poll fail.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:15:15 PM EST
Based on negligence, yes.

Duty. Is there a duty? Yes. Enforcement of federal law falls upon federal agencies.
Breach. If there was a duty, was there a breach? Yes.
Injury. Was another party injured because of the breach of duty? Yes. Increased medical expenses, crime, jail, court costs, sanitation, etc.
Damages. Monetary compensation for the costs accrued by the various jurisdictions (town, city, county and state) from defendant's breach of duty.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:16:51 PM EST
They have a case, but the feds don't care. They do whatever they want to do, Constitution be dammed. Been that way for a while.

Only one way to fix it, but, COC and all that.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:25:04 PM EST
LOL NO.

even if they did win the civil case, the court would tell the fed to be good boys. The fed would ignore the court. It wouldn't change a thing.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:27:41 PM EST
I miss the 10th Amendment.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:29:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By itstock:
Yes they have a good case no they can't win. How do I answer your poll?
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This.

Poll fail.

FBHO
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:31:32 PM EST
Does not matter. Obama will do what he wants. Congress will do nothing. Take years to work through liberal lower federal courts to SCOTUS and by that time Obama will be out of office and damage done. Even if SCOTUS hears it we know they certainly are a wild card now days and ideological driven now it seems.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:32:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sketti:
No, but if I was them I would be rounding up illegals and dropping them off in DC!
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I like this idea a LOT.

Is it possible to drop them in Canada as well?
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:47:36 PM EST
Nope. Any chance of having states rights went away when the South lost the war

I'll put money on it that with this administration they will not win.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:49:01 PM EST
With the Chicago mob running the DOJ? You gotta be puttin' us on!
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:50:22 PM EST
In what court? FEDERAL court, the only court the states can technically sue in? The court that is run by the government, staffed by government appointees?


We're so fucked.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 4:57:46 PM EST
Yes they have a good case. No they will not win. Law became a non-issue some time ago.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:03:02 PM EST
Has anyone just stopped and set aside all of the noise and really thought about WTF went wrong and how it was ever allowed to happen and still continue
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:05:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2014 5:05:33 PM EST by DragoMuseveni]
No, but there is a whole lot of empty desert in the South West which is very easy to get lost in.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:07:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CTM1:
Has anyone just stopped and set aside all of the noise and really thought about WTF went wrong and how it was ever allowed to happen and still continue
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Link Posted: 6/17/2014 5:15:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2014 5:16:57 PM EST by RogueSpear2023]
I was talking to a legal Mexican immigrant today and he was telling me how pissed he was about this and that if they give them amnesty, he will most likely loose his job, because while he and his family like having their own place, and will work for no less than $10 an hour, these guys will live 20 to a house and work for minimum wage.

Originally Posted By CTM1:
Has anyone just stopped and set aside all of the noise and really thought about WTF went wrong and how it was ever allowed to happen and still continue
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Obama is what went wrong and his inability to deport minors, then telling the papers in the south to print ads telling them to come here quick so he can get amnesty passed.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 6:39:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2014 7:36:23 PM EST by Trinigunny73]
Let this sink in.
The first order of government before all else is the protection of its citizens.

The states formed the federal government not the reverse.
As a condition of the states agreeing to this formation of the federal government it was mandated to protect the states (all states) from invasion.
This agreement is in the constitution. Think of it as law because that's what it is. A contract with the states.

If the federal government fails to protect the states from invasion then it has no voice against the states protecting themselves.
If the federal government is purposefully derelict in its most important mandate then the contract is broken.
No need to ask for a judgment from a government court when said government is unauthorized/invalid concerning the issue through default of contract.
The answer is in the constitution. States rights... States should reclaim them.
The answer... Reset.
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