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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:07:13 PM EDT
Any advantage to not making one ragged hole at a certain distance?
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:10:18 PM EDT
You want a wide pattern, make sure you can hit both sides of the hall.
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Originally Posted By xxprince:


You want a wide pattern, make sure you can hit both sides of the hall.

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That's why I have claymore mines strategically positioned. Mom has a code word when she brings me my food.

 
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:13:10 PM EDT
since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:14:00 PM EDT
lol
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:15:44 PM EDT
Get a Judge with the shorter barrel if you're worried about that.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:16:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By J75player:
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Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these

But with moar form 1
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:16:23 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By J75player:


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I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."

 
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:17:20 PM EDT
The best home defense shotgun is a case of ammo for your home defense rifle.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:18:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Danj:
I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  
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Originally Posted By Danj:
Originally Posted By J75player:
since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no
I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  

But do you live alone? If you have other people in the house you might not want to spray...that is why I use a rifle.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:20:58 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:


The best home defense shotgun is a case of ammo for your home defense rifle.
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Preferably a suppressed sbr.

 
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:23:21 PM EDT
lol OP doesn't know about chokes?
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:24:51 PM EDT
Aim at what you want to hit.  Area dispersion is for wing shooting, not self defense.

Federal '00' with Flite Control(c) produces one of the most horrific wounds I've ever seen from a small arm.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:25:54 PM EDT
All my defensive shotguns  have a modified choke.   Tighter is better.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:27:17 PM EDT
Tight is good.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:29:50 PM EDT


Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range.







Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways.




-p.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:30:49 PM EDT
Hunting birds?
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:31:46 PM EDT
Dispersion of buckshot at "in home" distances really shouldn't be all that wide. But every shotgun is gonna pattern ammo different at different distances.

Only way to know is to pattern it at all the distances in your home and see if your gun patterns open up enough at the furthest distance that you risk missing. Then decide if you have anything or anyone you'd rather no hit with a stray...

And I use slugs in my shotgun
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:33:19 PM EDT
Short answer, "No!"
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:34:02 PM EDT
I woud consider .355" minimum.



































Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:34:51 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:


Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range.
Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways.





-p.

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You can get torso sized patterns at conversational distances with a rifled barrel:  http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-43-buckshot-in-a-rifled-shotgun-barrel/

 
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:39:29 PM EDT
Shotguns, for home defense? Next thing you know we're gonna be hearing about beans in chilli
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:39:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lucifer_Sam:
Get a Judge with the shorter barrel if you're worried about that.
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Barrel length has virtually nothing to do with pattern size and everything to do with velocity.  Want a wide pattern?  Use a more open choke.  It's that simple.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:42:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Raider14:


Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these
https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg
But with moar form 1
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Originally Posted By J75player:
since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no


Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these
https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg
But with moar form 1


A sigbrace with verticle fore grip.......not a combination you see often
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:44:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Raider14:


Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these
https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg
But with moar form 1
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Originally Posted By Raider14:
Originally Posted By J75player:
since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no


Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these
https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg
But with moar form 1

I need to get one of those braces.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:44:38 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:45:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


At in-home distances, it makes almost no difference.

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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By FredMan:
Want a wide pattern?  Use a more open choke.  It's that simple.


At in-home distances, it makes almost no difference.



But, but, but movies and shit told me....

Nobody like to pattern their shotguns with the loads they want to use. So few people even know the answer.

Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:47:59 PM EDT
In before the mini 14 jokes....



Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:50:34 PM EDT
So for in home distances is stuff like flight control or barrel work that tightens a pattern nice to have or more of a necessity?
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:51:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight.  But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting.

In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy.  Tight patterns help with that issue.

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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Danj:
I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  


Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight.  But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting.

In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy.  Tight patterns help with that issue.




In the good old days GD want so badly,  when shooting rioters with buckshot was indicated they had muzzled diffusers that you could add to shotguns.   Duckbills I think they were called.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:54:23 PM EDT
Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug.  That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:55:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Danj:
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How about taking your gun out with the load you want to use and mark off all the distances that you could possibly take a shot from and pattern your loads. See what the spread is.

At in home distances the odds are you won't have any open up enough to "miss". But you won't know until you do.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 5:55:44 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By 4v50:


Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug.  That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get.
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You could use a sabot.

 
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Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:00:28 PM EDT
lol any shotgun should make one hole at in house distances.
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight.  But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting.

In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy.  Tight patterns help with that issue.

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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Danj:
I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  


Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight.  But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting.

In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy.  Tight patterns help with that issue.



With #12 birdshot, no choke and as short of a barrel as possible he stands the greatest possible chance of hitting a moving adversary.  He didn't mention the need to do any actual damage. And hey, he's being attacked to who cares about collateral damage so long as he saves himself!  
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:03:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:
Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range.




Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways.


-p.
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This.
Just take a variety of buck shot and bird loads and test at distances from 10 feet to say 21 feet to see how little it spreads whether or not it is buck or bird.
It will be practically the same.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:05:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bones45:





With #12 birdshot, no choke and as short of a barrel as possible he stands the greatest possible chance of hitting a moving adversary.  He didn't mention the need to do any actual damage. And hey, he's being attacked to who cares about collateral damage so long as he saves himself!  
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:




Originally Posted By Danj:


I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  
Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight.  But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting.





In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy.  Tight patterns help with that issue.


With #12 birdshot, no choke and as short of a barrel as possible he stands the greatest possible chance of hitting a moving adversary.  He didn't mention the need to do any actual damage. And hey, he's being attacked to who cares about collateral damage so long as he saves himself!  
First time I went through shivworks AMIS I quickly came to the realization there really wasn't anyone in my life worth risking my own life to retrieve.


 
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Slugs have the problem of over-penetration.

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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug.  That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get.


Slugs have the problem of over-penetration.



They have a much bigger problem of having to be shot out of a shotgun.  
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:13:45 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Danj:



I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  
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Originally Posted By J75player:

since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no
I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier."  
No such thing at in home distance.  Ten yards you have a 3 inch pattern at most unless your particular gun blows the shot column apart.

 
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:14:53 PM EDT
When I read this thread, it reminded me of this ad on the EE:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_92/1500806_Paradigm_SRP_Gator_Shotgun_Spreader_For_Rem_Choke_Guns.html






(disclaimer, I do not know and am not affiliated with the seller, just thought it was topic appropriate).
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:15:20 PM EDT
I was under the impression the average spread was one inch per yard?
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:15:26 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By TescoVee:



You can get torso sized patterns at conversational distances with a rifled barrel:  http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-43-buckshot-in-a-rifled-shotgun-barrel/  
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Originally Posted By TescoVee:



Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:

Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range.
Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways.





-p.

You can get torso sized patterns at conversational distances with a rifled barrel:  http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-43-buckshot-in-a-rifled-shotgun-barrel/  
This basically

 
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 6:18:15 PM EDT
apparently, OP wants:


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