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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:10:18 PM EDT
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You want a wide pattern, make sure you can hit both sides of the hall.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:11:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You want a wide pattern, make sure you can hit both sides of the hall. In |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:13:10 PM EDT
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since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:14:00 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:15:44 PM EDT
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Get a Judge with the shorter barrel if you're worried about that.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:16:22 PM EDT
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since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these 
But with moar form 1 |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:17:20 PM EDT
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The best home defense shotgun is a case of ammo for your home defense rifle.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:18:31 PM EDT
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I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no But do you live alone? If you have other people in the house you might not want to spray...that is why I use a rifle. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The best home defense shotgun is a case of ammo for your home defense rifle. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:23:21 PM EDT
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lol OP doesn't know about chokes?
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:24:51 PM EDT
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Aim at what you want to hit. Area dispersion is for wing shooting, not self defense.
Federal '00' with Flite Control(c) produces one of the most horrific wounds I've ever seen from a small arm. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:25:54 PM EDT
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All my defensive shotguns have a modified choke. Tighter is better.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:27:17 PM EDT
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Tight is good.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:29:50 PM EDT
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Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range. Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways. -p. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:30:49 PM EDT
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Hunting birds?
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:31:46 PM EDT
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Dispersion of buckshot at "in home" distances really shouldn't be all that wide. But every shotgun is gonna pattern ammo different at different distances.
Only way to know is to pattern it at all the distances in your home and see if your gun patterns open up enough at the furthest distance that you risk missing. Then decide if you have anything or anyone you'd rather no hit with a stray... And I use slugs in my shotgun 
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:33:19 PM EDT
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Short answer, "No!"
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:34:02 PM EDT
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I woud consider .355" minimum.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:34:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range. Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways. -p. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:39:29 PM EDT
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Shotguns, for home defense? Next thing you know we're gonna be hearing about beans in chilli
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:39:55 PM EDT
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Get a Judge with the shorter barrel if you're worried about that. Barrel length has virtually nothing to do with pattern size and everything to do with velocity. Want a wide pattern? Use a more open choke. It's that simple. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:42:27 PM EDT
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Want a wide pattern? Use a more open choke. It's that simple. At in-home distances, it makes almost no difference. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:43:53 PM EDT
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Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg But with moar form 1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg But with moar form 1 A sigbrace with verticle fore grip.......not a combination you see often |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:44:17 PM EDT
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Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg But with moar form 1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no Yep.......but I'd happily take one of these https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/black-aces-tactical-2474.jpg But with moar form 1 I need to get one of those braces. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:44:38 PM EDT
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I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:45:07 PM EDT
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At in-home distances, it makes almost no difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want a wide pattern? Use a more open choke. It's that simple. At in-home distances, it makes almost no difference. But, but, but movies and shit told me....
Nobody like to pattern their shotguns with the loads they want to use. So few people even know the answer. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:47:59 PM EDT
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In before the mini 14 jokes....
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:50:34 PM EDT
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So for in home distances is stuff like flight control or barrel work that tightens a pattern nice to have or more of a necessity?
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:51:30 PM EDT
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Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. In the good old days GD want so badly, when shooting rioters with buckshot was indicated they had muzzled diffusers that you could add to shotguns. Duckbills I think they were called. 
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:54:23 PM EDT
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Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug. That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:55:01 PM EDT
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So for in home distances is stuff like flight control or barrel work that tightens a pattern nice to have or more of a necessity? How about taking your gun out with the load you want to use and mark off all the distances that you could possibly take a shot from and pattern your loads. See what the spread is. At in home distances the odds are you won't have any open up enough to "miss". But you won't know until you do. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug. That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:58:15 PM EDT
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since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no Mini 14? |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:58:38 PM EDT
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Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug. That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get. Slugs have the problem of over-penetration. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 5:59:22 PM EDT
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In before the mini 14 jokes.... Didn't want to disappoint. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:00:28 PM EDT
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lol any shotgun should make one hole at in house distances.
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:00:58 PM EDT
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Slugs have the problem of over-penetration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug. That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get. Slugs have the problem of over-penetration. 1oz of drywall and stud defeater. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:01:32 PM EDT
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In before the mini 14 jokes.... Didn't want to disappoint. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:02:22 PM EDT
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Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. With #12 birdshot, no choke and as short of a barrel as possible he stands the greatest possible chance of hitting a moving adversary. He didn't mention the need to do any actual damage. And hey, he's being attacked to who cares about collateral damage so long as he saves himself! 
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:03:08 PM EDT
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Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range. Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways. -p. This. Just take a variety of buck shot and bird loads and test at distances from 10 feet to say 21 feet to see how little it spreads whether or not it is buck or bird. It will be practically the same. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With #12 birdshot, no choke and as short of a barrel as possible he stands the greatest possible chance of hitting a moving adversary. He didn't mention the need to do any actual damage. And hey, he's being attacked to who cares about collateral damage so long as he saves himself! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:10:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." Wider patterns do make it easier to hit birds in flight. But the pellets that miss the bird do not matter in bird hunting. In a defense situation, we are responsible for any pellets that miss the bad guy and therefore want ALL of them to hit the bad guy. Tight patterns help with that issue. Which is to say: YOU HAVE TO AIM TO HIT WHAT YOU'RE SHOOTING AT. Relying on a wide open choke and wishful thinking is not sound practice. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:10:19 PM EDT
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Slugs have the problem of over-penetration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Consider the pattern of a shotgun slug. That's about as narrow of a shotgun pattern as you can get. Slugs have the problem of over-penetration. They have a much bigger problem of having to be shot out of a shotgun. 
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I swear I've heard someone say something along the lines of "spread makes the chances of hitting a moving adversary easier." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: since my prefered HD weapon is a rifle...no |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:14:53 PM EDT
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When I read this thread, it reminded me of this ad on the EE:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_92/1500806_Paradigm_SRP_Gator_Shotgun_Spreader_For_Rem_Choke_Guns.html (disclaimer, I do not know and am not affiliated with the seller, just thought it was topic appropriate). |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:15:20 PM EDT
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I was under the impression the average spread was one inch per yard?
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:15:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get torso sized patterns at conversational distances with a rifled barrel: http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-43-buckshot-in-a-rifled-shotgun-barrel/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shotgun pellets have no real spread at any "home defense" range. Unless you live in the proverbial ARFCOM mansion with 50 yard hallways. -p. |
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:18:15 PM EDT
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apparently, OP wants:
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Posted: 12/31/2015 6:22:46 PM EDT
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