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Posted: 6/6/2008 8:11:25 PM EST
Having a discussion with a friend earlier today, I say yes, he says no?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:12:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/6/2008 8:13:49 PM EST by raven]
The state bar reviews your record, and I have heard of them rejecting JD's because of their past criminal records. I of course am not a lawyer and there are plenty here. If you're a felon I am pretty sure you wouldn't pass the bar.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:13:32 PM EST
Is it not required?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:14:16 PM EST
You can run for political office if you're a felon.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:14:45 PM EST
Sure why not, most of them are crooks anyhow.



Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:16:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By ORinTX:
Is it not required?


Yup, just like psychiatrists and therapists have to go through therapy.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:18:51 PM EST
I know of attorneys who have minor records. Major stuff... no go. Like the murderer who got a JD at Gonzaga. He won't be admitted to the bar.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:21:56 PM EST
From what I understand, in Calif if you have a felony conviction no, they are "moral turpitude" violations. You also can't be licensed as a engineer, pharmacy, doctor etc.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:25:10 PM EST
It depends on the state and the severity of the crime. Generally the answer is that a person with a criminal record CAN become an attorney with the following exceptions.

Will a felony conviction bar an applicant from admission?

Alabama Applicant must be granted a full pardon with civil
rights restored before applicant will be considered for
admission.

Arkansas A felony conviction weighs heavily in admission
decision.

Connecticut Rebuttable presumption of lack of good
moral character.

Delaware Not an automatic bar, but felony conviction may
affect finding of good moral character.

Florida Not an automatic bar, but restoration of civil rights
is required.

Georgia Not an automatic bar, but a pardon or restoration
of civil rights is necessary.

Guam Conviction of a felony or crime involving moral
turpitude is not an automatic bar to admission with
certain exceptions.

Idaho Not an automatic bar, but felony conviction may
affect finding of good moral character.

Indiana Conviction of felony is prima facie evidence of
lack of requisite good moral character. Applicant has
the burden to overcome prima facie evidence.

Kentucky Felony conviction does not always prohibit
admission, but may affect finding of good moral
character.

Maine Conviction of a felony would not result in an
automatic denial of admission. Applicant bears the
burden of establishing good moral character.

Maryland Conviction of felony would not result in
automatic denial of admission. Applicant bears heavy
burden of producing clear and convincing evidence of
full and complete rehabilitation and present good
moral character.

Massachusetts Not automatic bar, but applicant must
establish present good moral character.

Mississippi Persons convicted of a felony except manslaughter
or a violation of the Internal Revenue Code
are ineligible.

Missouri Persons convicted of a felony are ineligible to
apply for admission until five years after the date of
successful completion of sentence or period of
probation.

Montana An applicant found guilty of a felony is
conclusively presumed not to have present good
moral character and fitness. The presumption ceases
upon completion of the sentence and/or period of
probation.

Nebraska Conviction of felony would not result in an
automatic denial of admission, but applicant would
bear the heavy burden of producing clear and concise
evidence of full and complete rehabilitation and
present good moral character.

North Dakota If offense is determined to have a direct
bearing on applicant’s ability to serve the public
as an attorney or if applicant is not sufficiently
rehabilitated.

Northern Mariana Islands Ineligible unless applicant has been
granted full pardon.

Ohio Applicants convicted of a felony must meet specific
conditions and undergo additional review before they
can be approved.

Oregon An applicant shall not be eligible for admission
after having been convicted of a crime, the
commission of which would have led to disbarment in
all the circumstances present, had the person been an
Oregon attorney at the time of conviction.

Palau Applicant must have received a full pardon.

Pennsylvania A felony conviction is viewed as a serious
impediment to qualification.

Puerto Rico Not an automatic bar, but felony conviction
may affect finding of good moral character.

Rhode Island Conviction of a felony would not result in
automatic denial, but applicant must establish good
moral character.

South Carolina Although not an automatic bar, felony
conviction may affect finding of good moral
character.

Texas Felony conviction is an absolute bar to application
and admission for five years after completion of
sentence/probation; thereafter, the applicant must
demonstrate present good moral character.

Utah Conviction of a felony is prima facie evidence of
lack of good moral character.

Virginia Conviction of a felony or crime involving moral
turpitude is not an automatic bar but may affect
finding of good moral character.

Wisconsin Not an automatic bar, but applicant must
establish present good character and fitness.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:27:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
From what I understand, in Calif if you have a felony conviction no, they are "moral turpitude" violations. You also can't be licensed as a engineer, pharmacy, doctor etc.


Bula Ballbricker, is that you?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:33:32 PM EST
I know my girlfriend had to have a criminal background check and be fingerprinted, there must have been some reason
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:37:54 PM EST
Gotta have a clean record to get a license to steal.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:30:50 PM EST
The County Prosecutor where I lived was charged with a few counts of felony burglary back in the day when he was younger. I have NO idea what he did to get out of the charges actually staying with him... but sure enough, he's the County Prosecutor. He's one of these people that likes to say "I turned my life around", blah blah blah. He's still a bastard. Of course all the guys he's prosecuted HATE him, because they all know it. They're sitting in prison, complaining to me about him, because he didn't have to do time... and then prosecuted them for similar crimes.

It's honestly pretty funny. I really don't know how he got out of it, though. It's verified, also...
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 11:33:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By ORinTX:
Is it not required?


Afterwards. it's kind of like continuing education credits.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 12:06:00 AM EST
I cannot imagine why not. My crappy sister worked for an attorney who helped her get a power of attorney and rob my dying father out of $265,000 dollars. He did it for 6% of the gross.

She demanded my brother and I also start paying her a thousand dollars a month to take care of him, in addition to what she was stealing. We refused and she never spoke to us again. When I was in Iraq last summer she checked him out of the hospital and drove him 90 miles to his old bank and forced him to sign over his last remaining bank account to her or she threatened to let him die. When I got home, I flew down and visited him, he was broken hearted and waiting to die. Every week my cunt sister and her trucker scum husband stopped by to threaten him and steal his stuff. He homosexual son took my dads car and she used that power of attorney to sign it over. There went another 12,000 bucks.

He didn't want to move away from his house and refused to leave. He kept hoping it would get better. We were going to put the house in my hame to protect it from her and find him some assistance to live there.

Then it got really shitty. He was killed by a drunk driver last December, sadly it was a day before he got his house away from her. Now the house is part of the estate and she is the "personal representive". My brother and I won't see a penny as her and the lawyer are racking up $165,000 in expenses "adminstering the estate".

These assholes laughed at me on the phone, as they have all sorts of shit they forced him to sign before he died that they feel allows them to do this. This asshole is supposed to be certified in "Elder law" in the state of Florida. What a fucking joke.

Anyone who wants to be an attorney is simply the scum of the fucking earth. I would rather find my child acting in gay porn than attending law school.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 12:43:00 AM EST
William Jefferson Blythe Clinton was disbarred by the state of Arkansas, and can never try a case before the U.S. Supreme Court, but I'm sure he doesn't give a rat's ass. He came from the state that paid Governers the lowest salary in the country, and he is the richest ex-president in our nation's history.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 1:11:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By ORinTX:
Is it not required?


No, you're thinking of the lack of a soul.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 1:36:10 AM EST
The judge sentenced me to go to law school as part of my conviction.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 1:43:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/7/2008 1:44:29 AM EST by Tekka]

Originally Posted By GunnyG:

Originally Posted By ORinTX:
Is it not required?


Yup, just like psychiatrists and therapists have to go through therapy.


or rehab or forced hospitalization.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 1:47:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By lonegunman:
I cannot imagine why not. My crappy sister worked for an attorney who helped her get a power of attorney and rob my dying father out of $265,000 dollars. He did it for 6% of the gross.

She demanded my brother and I also start paying her a thousand dollars a month to take care of him, in addition to what she was stealing. We refused and she never spoke to us again. When I was in Iraq last summer she checked him out of the hospital and drove him 90 miles to his old bank and forced him to sign over his last remaining bank account to her or she threatened to let him die. When I got home, I flew down and visited him, he was broken hearted and waiting to die. Every week my cunt sister and her trucker scum husband stopped by to threaten him and steal his stuff. He homosexual son took my dads car and she used that power of attorney to sign it over. There went another 12,000 bucks.

He didn't want to move away from his house and refused to leave. He kept hoping it would get better. We were going to put the house in my hame to protect it from her and find him some assistance to live there.

Then it got really shitty. He was killed by a drunk driver last December, sadly it was a day before he got his house away from her. Now the house is part of the estate and she is the "personal representive". My brother and I won't see a penny as her and the lawyer are racking up $165,000 in expenses "adminstering the estate".

These assholes laughed at me on the phone, as they have all sorts of shit they forced him to sign before he died that they feel allows them to do this. This asshole is supposed to be certified in "Elder law" in the state of Florida. What a fucking joke.

Anyone who wants to be an attorney is simply the scum of the fucking earth. I would rather find my child acting in gay porn than attending law school.


Thats terrible.

I agree with you that lawyers are scum...
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 2:21:24 AM EST
"Anyone who wants to be an attorney is simply the scum of the fucking earth. I would rather find my child acting in gay porn than attending law school."

Absolutely...*oddamn...fucking...right....


You gotta have a real good POS to work a POS system...

"Justice..."

Yea, right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)

Link Posted: 6/7/2008 2:27:00 AM EST
Most if not all are F****** scumbags anyway, so I say yes you can
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 2:38:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By lonegunman:
I cannot imagine why not. My crappy sister worked for an attorney who helped her get a power of attorney and rob my dying father out of $265,000 dollars. He did it for 6% of the gross.

She demanded my brother and I also start paying her a thousand dollars a month to take care of him, in addition to what she was stealing. We refused and she never spoke to us again. When I was in Iraq last summer she checked him out of the hospital and drove him 90 miles to his old bank and forced him to sign over his last remaining bank account to her or she threatened to let him die. When I got home, I flew down and visited him, he was broken hearted and waiting to die. Every week my cunt sister and her trucker scum husband stopped by to threaten him and steal his stuff. He homosexual son took my dads car and she used that power of attorney to sign it over. There went another 12,000 bucks.

He didn't want to move away from his house and refused to leave. He kept hoping it would get better. We were going to put the house in my hame to protect it from her and find him some assistance to live there.

Then it got really shitty. He was killed by a drunk driver last December, sadly it was a day before he got his house away from her. Now the house is part of the estate and she is the "personal representive". My brother and I won't see a penny as her and the lawyer are racking up $165,000 in expenses "adminstering the estate".

These assholes laughed at me on the phone, as they have all sorts of shit they forced him to sign before he died that they feel allows them to do this. This asshole is supposed to be certified in "Elder law" in the state of Florida. What a fucking joke.

Anyone who wants to be an attorney is simply the scum of the fucking earth. I would rather find my child acting in gay porn than attending law school.


My god.

Obviously not ALL lawyers are scum. Only most.

I really hope what your sister did weighs heavily on her conscience.

Think about who is worse. Your sister who came up with the idea to screw over her family or the lawyer who helped her legally facilitate this fucked up plan.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 2:39:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/7/2008 2:54:34 AM EST by whoanelly]
To reply to the original question: someone with a record needs to be a damn good persuasive writer because they'll have to write a memo to the state licensing board explaining the misdemeanor, and most felonies are automatically going to DQ that person from the process. Even unpaid parking tickets can prevent licensure since they're a sign that you don't respect the system.

As for the "all attorneys are scum" comments, think of the movie The Seven Samurai. The farmers thought the samurai they hired were scum and were afraid they would deflower their daughters, but they also realized they needed the samurai to protect them from the bandits. Lawyers are modern day samurai. Sometimes you really need one, but you have to get the right one, and you get what you pay for.

Lonegunman: you reported everything that happened to your state's attorney discipline/ethics board, right?
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 3:22:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By whoanelly:
To reply to the original question: someone with a record needs to be a damn good persuasive writer because they'll have to write a memo to the state licensing board explaining the misdemeanor, and most felonies are automatically going to DQ that person from the process. Even unpaid parking tickets can prevent licensure since they're a sign that you don't respect the system.

As for the "all attorneys are scum" comments, think of the movie The Seven Samurai. The farmers thought the samurai they hired were scum and were afraid they would deflower their daughters, but they also realized they needed the samurai to protect them from the bandits. Lawyers are modern day samurai. Sometimes you really need one, but you have to get the right one, and you get what you pay for.

Lonegunman: you reported everything that happened to your state's attorney discipline/ethics board, right?


Yea, kinda like Mike Nifong, all his assistants, the many law enforcement officers and elected officials in his jurisdiction...

...to protect us from the bandits...

Right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 3:41:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pita_146:
Sure why not, most of them are crooks anyhow.





Aint that the truth!!!
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 4:18:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By CPO:

Yea, kinda like Mike Nifong, all his assistants, the many law enforcement officers and elected officials in his jurisdiction...

...to protect us from the bandits...

Right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)


Not sure if we agree or not but the Duke case is a good case study.

We kind of prefer that our justice system be adversarial. That way the accused can rightfully be found innocent and go on to have happy lives and make lots of money on Wall Street (which is what happened to the accused in the Duke case) instead of being sumarily executed like they would have been in a society where you're not allowed access to counsel and where a corrupt government doesn't have to give you a fair trial.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 5:44:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By whoanelly:

Originally Posted By CPO:

Yea, kinda like Mike Nifong, all his assistants, the many law enforcement officers and elected officials in his jurisdiction...

...to protect us from the bandits...

Right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)


Not sure if we agree or not but the Duke case is a good case study.

We kind of prefer that our justice system be adversarial. That way the accused can rightfully be found innocent and go on to have happy lives and make lots of money on Wall Street (which is what happened to the accused in the Duke case) instead of being sumarily executed like they would have been in a society where you're not allowed access to counsel and where a corrupt government doesn't have to give you a fair trial.


A "good study?"

A "good study."

Well, ain't that nice...

A group of citizens, persecuted by an entire law enforcement community populated by so-called officials consisting of cops (some of whom have legal degrees), a known corrupt political hack DA lawyer, his assistant district attorney lawyers, legislator lawyers and media fucks who knowingly falsified evidence, spread rumors and innuendo to purposely cause these citizens to spend HUGE amounts of money to lawyers (enough money that pretty much proves that the vast majority of us cannot afford to defend ourselves) and dragged these FUCKING KNOWN TO BE INNOCENT citizens through months of bogus, illegal, manipulative and DISHONEST prosecution because "lawyers were saving them from the robbers...."

And for you, its a "good case study..."

YOU must be a lawyer.

Adversarial? Yea, right...



Tell you what, when the TSHTF, I know whom I'm shooting first.

And they ALL have law degrees...

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)

Link Posted: 6/7/2008 5:54:44 AM EST
You also can't be licensed as a engineer, pharmacy, doctor etc.


Some one posted this about California. Not accurate.

You cannot be a bailbondsman.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 6:15:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By CPO:

Originally Posted By whoanelly:

Originally Posted By CPO:

Yea, kinda like Mike Nifong, all his assistants, the many law enforcement officers and elected officials in his jurisdiction...

...to protect us from the bandits...

Right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)


Not sure if we agree or not but the Duke case is a good case study.

We kind of prefer that our justice system be adversarial. That way the accused can rightfully be found innocent and go on to have happy lives and make lots of money on Wall Street (which is what happened to the accused in the Duke case) instead of being sumarily executed like they would have been in a society where you're not allowed access to counsel and where a corrupt government doesn't have to give you a fair trial.


A "good study?"

A "good study."

Well, ain't that nice...

A group of citizens, persecuted by an entire law enforcement community populated by so-called officials consisting of cops (some of whom have legal degrees), a known corrupt political hack DA lawyer, his assistant district attorney lawyers, legislator lawyers and media fucks who knowingly falsified evidence, spread rumors and innuendo to purposely cause these citizens to spend HUGE amounts of money to lawyers (enough money that pretty much proves that the vast majority of us cannot afford to defend ourselves) and dragged these FUCKING KNOWN TO BE INNOCENT citizens through months of bogus, illegal, manipulative and DISHONEST prosecution because "lawyers were saving them from the robbers...."

And for you, its a "good case study..."

YOU must be a lawyer.

Adversarial? Yea, right...



Tell you what, when the TSHTF, I know whom I'm shooting first.

And they ALL have law degrees...

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)



Okay tough guy. Make sure you come to my house first.

As for your anger for the Duke travesty, the system worked in the end, and the corrupt politicians paid for their crimes. If you're too blind to see that I can't help you.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 6:15:48 AM EST
There's a guy in my area who, many years prior to passing the bar, got federal drug charges and spent some time in jail.

He's now a competant criminal defense attorney.

I guess as long as the offense occurred before passing the bar, one would be OK.

We have another guy who, while practicing, got a DUI. His license is suspended and has been for several years.
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 6:25:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By whoanelly:

Originally Posted By CPO:

Originally Posted By whoanelly:

Originally Posted By CPO:

Yea, kinda like Mike Nifong, all his assistants, the many law enforcement officers and elected officials in his jurisdiction...

...to protect us from the bandits...

Right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)


Not sure if we agree or not but the Duke case is a good case study.

We kind of prefer that our justice system be adversarial. That way the accused can rightfully be found innocent and go on to have happy lives and make lots of money on Wall Street (which is what happened to the accused in the Duke case) instead of being sumarily executed like they would have been in a society where you're not allowed access to counsel and where a corrupt government doesn't have to give you a fair trial.


A "good study?"

A "good study."

Well, ain't that nice...

A group of citizens, persecuted by an entire law enforcement community populated by so-called officials consisting of cops (some of whom have legal degrees), a known corrupt political hack DA lawyer, his assistant district attorney lawyers, legislator lawyers and media fucks who knowingly falsified evidence, spread rumors and innuendo to purposely cause these citizens to spend HUGE amounts of money to lawyers (enough money that pretty much proves that the vast majority of us cannot afford to defend ourselves) and dragged these FUCKING KNOWN TO BE INNOCENT citizens through months of bogus, illegal, manipulative and DISHONEST prosecution because "lawyers were saving them from the robbers...."

And for you, its a "good case study..."

YOU must be a lawyer.

Adversarial? Yea, right...



Tell you what, when the TSHTF, I know whom I'm shooting first.

And they ALL have law degrees...

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)



Okay tough guy. Make sure you come to my house first.

As for your anger for the Duke travesty, the system worked in the end, and the corrupt politicians paid for their crimes. If you're too blind to see that I can't help you.


It's a date.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 6:30:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By CPO:

Originally Posted By whoanelly:

Originally Posted By CPO:

Originally Posted By whoanelly:

Originally Posted By CPO:

Yea, kinda like Mike Nifong, all his assistants, the many law enforcement officers and elected officials in his jurisdiction...

...to protect us from the bandits...

Right.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)


Not sure if we agree or not but the Duke case is a good case study.

We kind of prefer that our justice system be adversarial. That way the accused can rightfully be found innocent and go on to have happy lives and make lots of money on Wall Street (which is what happened to the accused in the Duke case) instead of being sumarily executed like they would have been in a society where you're not allowed access to counsel and where a corrupt government doesn't have to give you a fair trial.


A "good study?"

A "good study."

Well, ain't that nice...

A group of citizens, persecuted by an entire law enforcement community populated by so-called officials consisting of cops (some of whom have legal degrees), a known corrupt political hack DA lawyer, his assistant district attorney lawyers, legislator lawyers and media fucks who knowingly falsified evidence, spread rumors and innuendo to purposely cause these citizens to spend HUGE amounts of money to lawyers (enough money that pretty much proves that the vast majority of us cannot afford to defend ourselves) and dragged these FUCKING KNOWN TO BE INNOCENT citizens through months of bogus, illegal, manipulative and DISHONEST prosecution because "lawyers were saving them from the robbers...."

And for you, its a "good case study..."

YOU must be a lawyer.

Adversarial? Yea, right...



Tell you what, when the TSHTF, I know whom I'm shooting first.

And they ALL have law degrees...

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)



Okay tough guy. Make sure you come to my house first.

As for your anger for the Duke travesty, the system worked in the end, and the corrupt politicians paid for their crimes. If you're too blind to see that I can't help you.


It's a date.

CPO SWCC US Navy (Retired)


Little too much caffeine this morning?
Link Posted: 6/7/2008 6:32:52 AM EST
yes
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