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Posted: 8/26/2004 1:37:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:39:07 PM EST
Yes, whatever it takes to float your boat...
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:40:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Can someone's physical traits be so desirable that they cause "love at first sight"?



If you're a shallow bastard, sure.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:43:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:47:36 PM EST
I dunno. I do know science has proven physical characteristics foster the chemicals in the brain that equate to love. Depends how you define love.

If you mean long term marriage and happy ever after - I think hardly. Better off with someone you can deal with day after day. They might not start the same chemical reaction on first sight, but long term the LOVE thing might happen.

What is interesting is what causes that stuff. For guys, a big difference between the hips and waist and large breasts (imagine that) work. Hmm, might be cause this means she is of breeding age and our instincts are to impregnate? I wonder.

For women, sorry dudes with huge pecs and bicepts, the thing that most turns their crank physically is large leg and butt muscles. Guess that comes from the guy with those muscles is probably better at hunting and shit. I dunno.

They also did stuff related to facial structures that is fascinating. For example, lots of women are attractied to guys with specific facial structure including hard jaw line and large jaw, but only for sex. While other facial features bring out the desire to keep in them.

Weird stuff.

But, back to the question. I say no. First sight can only be lust not love. Not that there is anything wrong with lust.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:47:44 PM EST

No, but you can fall in lust.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:52:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
No, but you can fall in lust.



Beat me to it. I was going to say "Lust at first sight". I think that is closer to reality.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:54:33 PM EST
no that's just infatuation
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:56:10 PM EST
yep
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:56:43 PM EST
Interesting that you should post this today.

We had an inservice at the board of education and approximately 200 teachers (90%+ female) were there.

I fell in love several times!!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:57:24 PM EST
Sure
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:58:35 PM EST
My first girlfriend was a "love at first sight" deal.

Lots of good sex, but not much else.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:01:26 PM EST
You might as well, it works as well as any other method.

Looks, then smell, then ... No, that's about all.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:06:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:13:05 PM EST
Love isn't real.

How many girlfriends have told you "I will love you forever" and how many of them then cheated on you or dumped you? Love is just something that is said but it doesn't really exist.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:33:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 2:33:58 PM EST by TheCynic]

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Love isn't real.



Wrong. It is real. It's called pair-bonding and
it is 100% animal instict. What is not real is
all of the simpering, saccharine, romantic
bullshit that goes along with it.

Love is nature's way of duping us into propogaing
the species. Nothing more. Nothing less.

As you can see, I'm a fun date...
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:35:09 PM EST
I fell in love lust with a couple dozen hotties last night!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:35:54 PM EST
Nope, it would be lust not love.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:46:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By MMcCall:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Can someone's physical traits be so desirable that they cause "love at first sight"?



If you're a shallow bastard, sure.




Ahhh...I've been called worse than a shallow bastard before....
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:01:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:02:35 PM EST
Sure why not, I did.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:03:13 PM EST
Nope.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:03:53 PM EST
If you believe in evolution, thats how it works.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:04:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Nope.



+1
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:12:53 PM EST
It's lust at first sight. Not love.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:17:50 PM EST
SWIRE and TheCynic - you guys sound like my kind of men; may as well be realistic . A part of me would like to believe in love but reality keeps kicking me in the head.

Can you fall in love based on looks alone? No Do I believe there is a such thing as love at first sight? Yes.

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:27:25 PM EST

It happens two, three times a day.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:27:35 PM EST
Yeah it happens to me all the time
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:53:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Love isn't real.


Love is just something that is said but it doesn't really exist.


________________________________________________________________________________-

You Sir are wrong. You did have a mother did you not.

April of 1990 I held my little girl for the first time I will love her till I die.


Neanderthal(A proud Dad)


Link Posted: 8/26/2004 7:59:22 PM EST
It's like this

Beautiful women are like a scenic drive , if you drive it every day . No matter how nice the view is , eventually your going to want to try another road

As for Love ........... I'll have to get back to you on that
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:07:28 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:12:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 4:14:24 AM EST by desertmoon]

Originally Posted By JTAC_Supply:
At least once a day.
Of course, it's only one way...



Yeah, happens to me in college at least once a day....but if you read Troy's post above you will see the reason I avoid those girls at all costs. Nothing like a disgusting personality.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:17:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:

I'd much rather have an average looking girl with a "10" personality than a 10 in physical beauty who is a bitch.



+1
Good looks can fade but a bitch attitude is for life.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:20:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
No, but you can fall in lust.



+1

Due to my job/profession, I meet a LOT of really hot girls, but a good percentage of them have such horrible personalities that I can barely stand to be around them, and their physical beauty doesn't come anywhere near overcoming their mental and behavioral issues.

I'd much rather have an average looking girl with a "10" personality than a 10 in physical beauty who is a bitch.

-Troy




so what ya saying only Plain Janes or fuglies only have the good personalities??
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:22:19 AM EST
Sure, why not. I've seen pictures of guns that I've totally fallen in love with. I'll save my money up and buy it then find out it wasn't really want I wanted and fall out of love with it very fast, sell it for a loss and buy something else.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:29:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By shooter_gal49:

so what ya saying only Plain Janes or fuglies only have the good personalities??



Not necessarily. There are plenty of Plain Janes or fuglies who are bitches also. And there are hot chix who have good personalities. But it sure does seem like there's way too many vapid, obnoxious women who get by on their looks alone.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:29:17 AM EST
Just physical characteristics (cup size, hair color, etc), no. I have fallen in love without exchanging a word before, however; just the smile and the look in her eyes was enough. It lasted several years.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:31:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
No, but you can fall in lust.



+1

Due to my job/profession, I meet a LOT of really hot girls, but a good percentage of them have such horrible personalities that I can barely stand to be around them, and their physical beauty doesn't come anywhere near overcoming their mental and behavioral issues.

I'd much rather have an average looking girl with a "10" personality than a 10 in physical beauty who is a bitch.

-Troy



ain't it the truth... you're in love until they open their mouths, and then, two hours later, they are still babbling away about their girlfriend's ex, the last three movies they've seen and whether they are going to have a bagel or sushi for dinner and they are going on a cruise and have to tan and finally you sprint away before your head explodes AIEEEEEEE
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:33:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
No, but you can fall in lust.



+1

Due to my job/profession, I meet a LOT of really hot girls, but a good percentage of them have such horrible personalities that I can barely stand to be around them, and their physical beauty doesn't come anywhere near overcoming their mental and behavioral issues.

I'd much rather have an average looking girl with a "10" personality than a 10 in physical beauty who is a bitch.

-Troy



ain't it the truth... you're in love until they open their mouths, and then, two hours later, they are still babbling away about their girlfriend's ex, the last three movies they've seen and whether they are going to have a bagel or sushi for dinner and they are going on a cruise and have to tan and finally you sprint away before your head explodes AIEEEEEEE



Women would be MORE perfect if they didn't talk so much,LOL.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:44:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By shooter_gal49:

so what ya saying only Plain Janes or fuglies only have the good personalities??



Not necessarily. There are plenty of Plain Janes or fuglies who are bitches also. And there are hot chix who have good personalities. But it sure does seem like there's way too many vapid, obnoxious women who get by on their looks alone.



I realize this is a hijack, but the surest way to find a hottie that's not a bitch is one that grew into it. I have never met a woman that's been attractive all her life that isn't seriously damaged goods in the head. Women that were considered unattractive in high school, but "blossomed" later on almost always are good people, because they had time to develop a personality independent of everyone falling all over them and giving them whatever they want.

Back on topic, I think you can fall in love at first sight, but not based just on biological attributes. There are all sorts of other visual cues that tell you if you and that person will be compatible. Things like clothing style, haircut, makeup the way she sits, holds her head, a book she might be reading or holding, the environment in which you see her, the way she interacts with other people, etc. Both of the long-term girlfriends I've had I knew the first time I saw them I'd fall in love with them. If it wasn't for my shitty attitude I probably would still be with one or the other of them.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:48:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:52:12 AM EST
I think people(read-men) are just attracted to certain "types" of people(read-women) based on genetics. Tigers go for other tigers and Lions like other lions, it just genitic. I generally am attracted to olive skinned, brunetts with big dark eyes OR fair skinned chicks with red hair and green eyes. I am also 1/2 Irish and 1/2 Yugoslavian so both types of women are types from my ethnic background. I really don't care much for blondes all that much and traditionally, Irish and Yugo women are NOT blonde so that makes perfect sence. Chemistry also has a big role to play. People normally go for others that are the opisite of their imune system make up. That way the offspring will have a stronger imune system. I learned about that from the Discovery Health Ch.,LOL.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:05:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Love isn't real.

.




Correct, love is a emotion, nothing more, people change emotions like socks, no I do not believe in love, no such thing.....just an emotion......and emotions change.....
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:24:58 AM EST
True story, I first layed eyes on my wife when I was 12 years old, there was an instant attraction, I wouldn't call it love, cause at age 12 what does one know about love?

Growing up in the same small town it was inevitable that we would interact, and we were not always 'friendly' toward one an other, like the time she busted me in the nose while I was sleeping on the school bus, (I did deserve it btw) as a matter of fact I was best friends with her sister who was a year younger than we were, if you had seen us together you'd think it would be her that would share my life.

But as the old saying goes sometimes opposites attract, around 16 we began to 'see' each other differently and began to spend more time together, before I knew it we were 19 and married!!
28 years later she is still the love of my life!! (I think her flaming red hair had something to do with it all....)......
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:43:06 AM EST
I beleive in love at first sight if that is what you are asking.
Did once. Kept her for 4 years so there is no doubt that I was in love with her. Lust too. Met her right before I went in the Marines and it was hard keeping a relationship going on those terms. By my last year in it was obvious to both of us that we were drifting apart. Met my wife then and that really worked out for the best.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:47:21 AM EST
www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/articles/emotions/faceperception1.shtml

Face value

About face

Are you a good judge of character? Perhaps you think you can judge someone's personality just by looking at their face? Research shows that most of us - 90% according to one study - think we can.
Woman inspecting a male face on a computer monitor
What does a face really tell us about someone's personality?

But this may not all be down to arrogance. Scientists are uncovering evidence that some personality traits may be written all over our faces.

This could have important implications for the way we behave, and even how we choose our sexual partners.

Professor David Perrett of the Perception Lab at St Andrews University has spent the best part of a decade trying to pin down the essence of facial attractiveness.

Perfect profile

His technique of digitally manipulating faces first attracted attention four years ago, when he showed that women prefer more masculine faces during the fertile period of their menstrual cycle. Faces were made more masculine by strengthening the jawline and brows and more feminine by widening the face and raising the eyebrows.

Now Professor Perrett is using the same techniques to investigate the connections between facial features and personality. Perrett is using the most widely accepted model of human personality: the five-factor model. This consists of:

* Openness to experience - creative, original, independent
* Conscientiousness - careful, hard-working, conscientious
* Extraversion - affectionate, talkative, sociable
* Agreeableness - forgiving, sympathetic, warm
* Neuroticism - nervous, worrying, highly strung

Altered images

For the time being, Perrett has decided to focus his attention on the best understood of the 'big five' personality factors: extraversion and its opposite state, introversion. Extraverts are talkative, fun-loving and sociable, while introverts tend to be reserved, quiet and retiring.

In previous experiments, Perrett and Little have found that digitally altering the masculinity and femininity of a face affects how people perceive aspects of their personality.

"As we manipulate female faces to make them more feminine, people see them as more extravert," says Perrett.

But masculinity and femininity is only part of the story. Pinning down the essence of an introvert or extravert face is more complicated.

Perrett and Little found that there was little data on what constituted an extravert or an introvert face. However, Perrett and his team came up with an ingenious solution.

After showing a group of volunteers 15 carefully chosen faces, the team asked them to complete a 20-item questionnaire. The questionnaire asked the volunteers to say which faces best represented certain character traits.

The team then carried out a statistical technique known as factor analysis on the results. This allowed them to draw out the features in a face that people regard as extravert and introvert.
Computer lab at Stirling University
Volunteers rate face composites in a university computer laboratory.

With this information, they created average extravert and average introvert faces from the same 15 images by using computer software to amplify some features and suppress others. These composite images were then used to transform other faces, making them either more introvert or more extravert.

"A lot of the things that we're seeing in extravert and introvert faces are transient things like how likely you are to smile," says Dr Tony Little, of the Perception Lab at St Andrews. Indeed, while the withdrawn look of introvert faces is instantly recognisable, extravert faces seem to be fixed in the earliest stages of a grin.

Fight club

But why would such subtle facial cues have evolved? Dr Little believes they might have played an important role in physical confrontations between our ancient ancestors.

"We all become highly competitive when confronting an opponent we think we can realistically beat. However, we will submit to opponents we feel are superior to us in order to avoid fighting a battle we will probably lose. Evolution is a game of survival, so it pays to know when to fight and when to run.
Boxing match
Extraverts may have stumbled into more physical confrontations than people with other personality types.

"If you were sickly, it would have paid to stay out of harm's way. An introvert face would have told rivals you weren't a threat," Little explains. Introverts might not have dominated in the social pecking order, but they would have secured their survival by avoiding confrontation.

"Extraversion was a more risky strategy because there was a greater chance you would encounter confrontation," says Little. But the fact that extraverts are still with us strongly suggests that the rewards of winning those battles were enough to make fighting them worthwhile.

Domination game

Little won't speculate on what the rewards of winning these battles might have been, but it's not hard to fathom that dominant males would have had better access to food, resources and may have been more attractive to females.

Our preferences for introvert and extravert faces might also have fascinating implications for how we choose partners.

In Perrett's experience, opposites don't attract. Instead, like seems to attract like. Previous findings from the Perception Lab show that we tend to choose partners who look like our opposite sex parents. This seems to suggest that we prefer to mate with people who appear to share the same genes as us.

Are you local?

This apparent tendency towards inbreeding might come as a surprise. Inbreeding can cause harmful recessive genes to pair up in children, resulting in deformity or disease.

In a well-known study, Dr Marion Petrie and Dr Craig Roberts of the University of Newcastle asked female volunteers to wear the same T-shirt for several days. Male subjects were then asked to choose which one smelt best. Men invariably prefer the smell of a woman with an immune system very different to their own.

Children born to parents with different immune systems have a better chance of fighting off disease, suggesting that outbreeding has definite advantages.

But Dr Petrie sees no contradiction between her findings and those of Perrett's. "There is an optimum genetic distance that is preferred. You don't want a mate that's identical because that would be inbreeding," says Petrie.

"But if [animals] mate at too great a genetic distance, [they] could be mating with another species," she adds, "and that could be bad news."

The suggestion is that a little inbreeding is no bad thing, because it preserves useful combinations of genes that are adapted to your environment. Petrie believes that chemical cues from smell work in an opposite way to facial cues of attractiveness in order to strike this balance between extreme inbreeding and extreme outbreeding.

Perrett and Little are working on the hypothesis that preferences for different personalities follow the same pattern as facial cues. Prof Robert Zajonc of Stanford University has found that long-term partners tend to have similar personalities. It may be that they grow more similar through shared experiences.

But Little thinks this is because humans unconsciously treat personality as another measure of genetic similarity.
An average male and female face
Studying the human face might unlock the secrets of sexual attraction

This theory is supported by work conducted at the University of Cambridge in 1989 by zoologist Pat Bateson. Using an experimental set-up called the Amsterdam Apparatus, Bateson invited Japanese quails to choose from a selection of opposite sex birds arrayed behind miniature shop windows.

Family business

The birds preferred first cousins over both full siblings and unrelated birds, suggesting that they prefer inbreeding, though not incest.

In a follow-up study, Professor Bateson put newly hatched chicks in a pen with each other. Amazingly, siblings and cousins tended to clump together in groups, even though they had never come into contact.

"Although we never proved it, we speculated that this was due to similar behavioural preferences between relatives," says Bateson. "How it was mediated, we never found out," he adds, "but since the quail chicks also tended to be attracted to relatives in adulthood, we reasonably thought that they were using behavioural cues here as well."

Further work may be needed to discover the precise mechanisms by which personality and facial features interact to determine our mating preferences.

In the human mating game, describing someone as having a nice personality has turned into an insult, because we regard a person's behaviour as secondary to other, more important cues of attractiveness.

But the next time someone describes an eligible member of the opposite sex in this way, perhaps we should all take a bit more notice.

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:32:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By shooter_gal49:

so what ya saying only Plain Janes or fuglies only have the good personalities?? hr


Not necessarily. There are plenty of Plain Janes or fuglies who are bitches also. And there are hot chix who have good personalities. But it sure does seem like there's way too many vapid, obnoxious women who get by on their looks alone.



I totally agree with u
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:44:48 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:54:07 AM EST
Only if you replace the word lust with love.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:54:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
No, but you can fall in lust.



+1

Due to my job/profession, I meet a LOT of really hot girls, but a good percentage of them have such horrible personalities that I can barely stand to be around them, and their physical beauty doesn't come anywhere near overcoming their mental and behavioral issues.

I'd much rather have an average looking girl with a "10" personality than a 10 in physical beauty who is a bitch.

-Troy



Totally agree with that. My experience has been that the more infatuated (the best word to describe what we're talking about) the worse the outcome for me. And I do speak from hard experience. I am currently 'between positions" and I'm convinced that the biggest reason for that was dating in the office (compounded by having a woman for a supervisor).
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 10:15:54 AM EST
"Can You Fall In Love Based Upon Looks Alone...?"

Yeah, but it usually just lasts for one night.

In general, looks is what gets two people started on a relationship. After a while though, there has to be more to the other person than looks. Looks wear away and personality comes more into play. If there is a personality issue, then the relationship will not last.

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