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Posted: 8/22/2001 4:27:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 5:23:45 AM EDT by Confederate]
Can I purchase a Colt Government Carbine serial # is GC0213xx. I'm not a LEO. According to the serial numbers lists that I have seen only GC018500 and below are preban. This weapon is not marked LEO, but the serial number is higher than GC018500. Can I own it legally?? It has factory flash suppressor, collapsible stock, and bayo lug.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:37:46 AM EDT
Let check the supreme law of the land (rifling through his constitution)..."the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Yup, looks good to me.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:38:46 AM EDT
So I can count on you in court, great!!!
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:54:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 4:53:03 AM EDT by garandman]
I STILL am positively baffeld why anyone would want to buy a Colt. Mid-range quality, high price, sell out manufacturer. If you need a horsey symbol that bad, go out to the Walmart parking lot, find a Ford Mustang, steal the emblem off of it, and glue it to your AR. [}:D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:19:12 AM EDT
Great idea garandman!....Do you own a Mustang?
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:21:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:25:54 AM EDT
Thanks guys, so far you've been a big help!!
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:31:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:33:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 5:32:44 AM EDT by drfcolt]
You might want to post this down in the Colt forum. But, there were some Gov't Carbines made after the ban that Colt failed to mark as LEO. I believe the only way you could own this is put all post-ban features on it. Pretty sure I'm right here.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:43:26 AM EDT
There is an old saying: "When in doubt, don't do it..." I am no lawyer, but I don't think you can. If it is a post ban then it shouldn't have any of those evil features.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 5:56:56 AM EDT
Call Colt at 800-962-COLT(2658). They will tell you the date of manufacture at no charge.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:02:03 AM EDT
As stated in the '94 ban; if the weapon/magazine [i]is not marked for LEO or Gov't use, the the item is [b]assumed[/b] to be pre-ban by authorities. [/i] I would buy it without worry, Confederate.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:06:54 AM EDT
No. [url]http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/ar15serial.html[/url]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:16:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 6:55:29 AM EDT by ar50troll]
Originally Posted By garandman: I STILL am positively baffeld why anyone would want to buy a Colt. Mid-range quality, high price, sell out manufacturer. If you need a horsey symbol that bad, go out to the Walmart parking lot, find a Ford Mustang, steal the emblem off of it, and glue it to your AR. [}:D] Edited cuz your the wrong dude.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:21:39 AM EDT
You need to relax. It's called humor. A little lighthearted inter-brand rivalry.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:54:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: You need to relax. It's called humor. A little lighthearted inter-brand rivalry.
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Wrong. YOU need to take a more serious approach to your freedom and liberty. [;D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:59:07 AM EDT
You're a little confused, huh?[:E]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:59:53 AM EDT
Major, a whole bunch of newbie-tough-guys are going t come over and brow beat us now about our lack of interest in freedom. Wow. Where do they crawl out of?
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 6:59:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: You're a little confused, huh?[:E]
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Yep I just noticed that!!!
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 7:03:45 AM EDT
It is NOT marked LEO ONLY and is NOT marked -PROPERTY OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT — so I would not worry about it. However; check with Colt and MAKE SURE to cover your ass.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 7:04:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 6:59:27 AM EDT by ar50troll]
Originally Posted By hielo: Major, a whole bunch of newbie-tough-guys are going t come over and brow beat us now about our lack of interest in freedom. Wow. Where do they crawl out of?
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Your a funny little person. Actually I have been using this site in one way or another since about 97. I crawl out from ~350 acres of private property about 45 minutes from downtown Houston. Why do you ask?
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 9:05:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 9:08:52 AM EDT by AmeRican15]
Originally Posted By garandman: I STILL am positively baffeld why anyone would want to buy a Colt. Mid-range quality, high price, sell out manufacturer. If you need a horsey symbol that bad, go out to the Walmart parking lot, find a Ford Mustang, steal the emblem off of it, and glue it to your AR. [}:D]
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As a Mustang owner, I resent that! Plus, for a Colt you want a prancing pony, not a galloping pony as found on the Mustang. A Ferrari emblem should do the trick.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 9:34:15 AM EDT
Confederate, Same thing happened to me recently. I inquired to colt. They stated it left the factory as a "LEO only" weapon whether or not marked made no difference. So then I inquired to BATF. Same Same from them. Basically you will have a firearm with a post ban ser# in a preban config. I wouldn't do it.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 9:37:52 AM EDT
Originally posted by American15: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By garandman: I STILL am positively baffeld why anyone would want to buy a Colt. Mid-range quality, high price, sell out manufacturer. If you need a horsey symbol that bad, go out to the Walmart parking lot, find a Ford Mustang, steal the emblem off of it, and glue it to your AR. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As a Mustang owner, I resent that! Plus, for a Colt you want a prancing pony, not a galloping pony as found on the Mustang. A Ferrari emblem should do the trick.
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Hey! ...I have a Ferrari and I resent that! Let's vote!....Mustang or Ferrari? [;)]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 10:00:01 AM EDT
Hey! ...I have a Ferrari and I resent that! Let's vote!....Mustang or Ferrari? [;)]
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Better yet...let's race! [;)] [img]http://www.mustangcentral.net/ubb/icons/icon1.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 10:01:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: You need to relax. It's called humor. A little lighthearted inter-brand rivalry.
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Major - Ar50guy just dislikes me in general. I think he wore his jock strap just a leeeeeeeeeetle too tight when he was in high school. Or maybe he still is in high school. And wearing his jock strap too tight while he posts on this board. Anywho, you are right. It WAS a joke, but my fault for posting a joke in a forum where some are too thick headed to appreciate it. Pardon moi, ar50troll. AR50troll - Why don't you honor your OWN word and just go away???? You said you were never coming back. you didn't want to "associate" with "our kind" I believe you said. And I stand corrected AmeRican15- the Ferrari emblem would be more correct. But hey - I'm a low budget kinda dude. [:D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 10:37:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 10:39:59 AM EDT by ar50troll]
Moderator issued forth with... Pardon moi, ar50troll. AR50troll - [/quote] Man, I am changing my screen name to AR50Troll ASAP. Thanks for the idea. I sure hope it's available. That would be great! I don't want to associate with "YOUR" kind. Religious bigots that is. I sure do enjoy other freedom loving open minded gun owners on this site. Aren't moderators supposed to be a little better at interpreting what the user base says? I sold my LEGP at a loss to not support your religious ramblings. To me that is enough statement. I don't need to leave the forum yet. Gee so your a religious bigot that does not want anyone who does not think like him to be on his forum? How American. More ammo for the Anti's. Whose side are you on anyways? AR50troll [dracula]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 10:41:02 AM EDT
Look Garandman!!! I am now AR50Troll Kick ass. Thanks for the tip. I thought AR50Guy was pretty smooth, but you trumped me with the AR50Troll. BTW As a moderator, I sure hope you know the difference between a Troll and someone taking you to the mat for what you say. There is a huge difference between a Troll who flames to just get a response from folks versus a user trying to point out your shortcomings as a forum moderator? AR50Troll
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 10:49:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 10:56:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: - I'm a low budget kinda dude. [:D]
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Guess that explains why you’re “positively baffled” as to why someone would want the highest quality name brand rifle. Apposed to a third rate no-name brand. If you can’t appreciated, nor recognize high quality, you might want to keep that to yourself before you look the fool. RK
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 11:12:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: I guess your selling at a loss of your LEGP really showed him!!! LOL!
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Yes it did actually. If you don't understand why, your loss. In an economic based society, this is the absolute best way to get the point across (legally) to someone. Your sarcastic reply actually reinforces this ideas as you seem to think it is somehow stupid to get rid of my LEGP. Exactly my point. I took a loss to not get into that conversation at the range... Hey nice AR15.com rifle. Are you a religious bigot too?" Sure it may seem out of bounds. Well it isn't. I have actually had people I never met in my life talk about Garandmans religious ramblings on AR15.com. He knows he over does it. hell he even started a thread recently asking if it was time for him to go as Moderator. So yes. In the best of ways I showed him. I sure hope you can come to understand that. AR50Troll!~! I just love the new handle.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 11:12:50 AM EDT
Confederate, To answer you question, NO. Since it’s out of the serial number range, it’s most likely postban. Manufactures were not required to mark “LEO/GOVT” until about 6 months after the ban. You could contact Colt for the date of mfg on the rifle in question. But I wouldn’t purchase the rifle until you are sure. RK
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 11:53:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: Look Garandman!!! I am now AR50Troll
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Actually, you are STILL just a guy who SWORE he was never coming back to AR15.com, and then broke his own word and did.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:01:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 11:57:22 AM EDT by garandman]
Originally Posted By ar50troll: I sold my LEGP at a loss to not support your religious ramblings.
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Dang - you fighgered me out. I'm like a flippin' televangelist pimping LEGP's and making a million $$ a year doing it. Yer too sharp for me, man.
To me that is enough statement. I don't need to leave the forum yet.
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Actually, the "statement" you made was "I'm NEVER coming back to Ar15.com." Then broke you own word.
Gee so your a religious bigot that does not want anyone who does not think like him to be on his forum? How American. More ammo for the Anti's. Whose side are you on anyways? AR50troll [dracula]
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People with more than 60 posts know who I am, and what I stand for, and the equity with which I moderate. Your flimsy, desperate aleegations to the contrary NOT withstanding.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:01:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: I have actually had people I never met in my life talk about Garandmans religious ramblings on AR15.com. AR50Troll!~!
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Really? Me too. I was in the supermarket the other day and this old woman came up to me and started talking about Garandman's religious ramblings on AR15.com. Then later that day, a group of school children were walking by and I overheard them talking about Garandmans religious ramblings on AR15.com. Wait! My dog is saying something.... Arf! Arf....Garandmans religious ramblings on AR15.com...arf! [whacko]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:05:01 PM EDT
Now, back to the topic at hand - Righteous Kill - I just don't find Colt's quality to be ANY more outstanding than Rock River Arms, or Armalite. I DO find thei prices to be higher. And I DO find Colt to be a political sellout. Other manf's (such as the ones I named) are more deserving of our business. You know - ones that FULLY support our RKBA.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:28:25 PM EDT
[/quote] Really? Me too. I was in the supermarket the other day and this old woman came up to me and started talking about Garandman's religious ramblings on AR15.com. Then later that day, a group of school children were walking by and I overheard them talking about Garandmans religious ramblings on AR15.com. Wait! My dog is saying something.... Arf! Arf....Garandmans religious ramblings on AR15.com...arf! [whacko][/quote] I guess your trying to be a smart ass? not sure. Here are some details for you SIMPLE FOLK, like Major M.[-!-!-] Range - Hot Wells North Houston Stranger - Many know him as a retired DJ from our local rock station. (Any Houstonian will know who I am talking about) Comment - As stated before. The person made a comment about there being a website for the ar15, but he quit using the Forums because of the high volume of Bible thumping going on by a particular moderator. I chuckled and said surely your not talking about Garandman. He was. We both had a good laugh over it and went back to shooting. Only later did I find out he was a radio DJ. Apparently not a Jesus Freak either. Whatever MM... AR50Troll
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:29:39 PM EDT
The topic at hand is this guys question on purchasing a Govt Carbine. You changed the topic into a Colt bash. Politics and quality are not related, you need to separate the two. I have not purchased a new Colt product since they “sold out” in 89. However, I still can, and do appreciate Colt quality. Honestly, I think the Big Three AR-15 rifles produced today are about the same quality. Not because Bushmaster and Armalite have caught up, but rather Colt has fallen a couple of notches. But when it comes to AR-15s built before 1994, Colt is lengths ahead of the others. If it’s not a Colt it’s just a Copy. Rk
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:34:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: People with more than 60 posts know who I am, and what I stand for, and the equity with which I moderate. Your flimsy, desperate aleegations to the contrary NOT withstanding.
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Nothing desperate here. Yes I did consider leaving, but GB made a reference to staying in the forum and attempting to contribute to a better site. So I continue to attempt to better your moderator skills and inform you of your shortcomings as they happen. Nothing flimsy or desperate at all. Some poeple just can't be reached I guess.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:56:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: So I continue to attempt to better your moderator skills and inform you of your shortcomings as they happen.
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Don't do me any favors, TrollBoy. Don't call me - I'll call you.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 12:56:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 12:52:30 PM EDT by ar50troll]
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By ar50troll: So I continue to attempt to better your moderator skills and inform you of your shortcomings as they happen.
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Don't do me any favors, TrollBoy. Don't call me - I'll call you.
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But you obviously need the help?!? And it's AR50Troll, get it right :-)
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:00:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: Stranger - Many know him as a retired DJ from our local rock station. (Any Houstonian will know who I am talking about) Comment - As stated before. The person made a comment about there being a website for the ar15, but he quit using the Forums because of the high volume of Bible thumping going on by a particular moderator. I chuckled and said surely your not talking about Garandman.
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Hey - I'm famous!!!! Or, perhaps "infamous!!!!!!!" Either way, y'all are spending too much of your life talking about me. I'll live my life - you and DJ boy should get one. [}:D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:07:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2001 1:05:44 PM EDT by ar50troll]
[/quote] Hey - I'm famous!!!! Or, perhaps "infamous!!!!!!!" Either way, y'all are spending too much of your life talking about me. I'll live my life - you and DJ boy should get one. ================================================= [/quote] Uhhh yeah...The DJ boy you refer to is a millionaire several times over. He owns a gunshop in Houston...simply because he can. Your ignorance is overwhelming at times. What's with your anger? I see this a lot in Christians when they are confronted by a non-believer. Relax man. Like I said, we exchanged 2 sentences then returned to killing paper. That does not qualify as a lot of time talking about you...sorry to deflate your ego there bud. Believe me. I do have a life. I can only figure that this is the very reason you harbor so much anger towards me. The last thing I want to do is compare who is getting where in life. but I am reasonably sure I trump you, hands down. If you are interested we can take it offline, but I am not going to dicuss details of my financial status in this forum. Infamous...YES Famous..NO You know the more this goes on, the more it seems YOU are the actual troll around here. Some food for thought...GarandTroll[:D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:18:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Confederate: Can I purchase a Colt Government Carbine serial # is GC0213xx. I'm not a LEO. According to the serial numbers lists that I have seen only GC018500 and below are preban. This weapon is not marked LEO, but the serial number is higher than GC018500. Can I own it legally?? It has factory flash suppressor, collapsible stock, and bayo lug.
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The correct thing to do is buy the gun for your local police department. Law enforcement officers need all of the help they can get to fight crime.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:29:26 PM EDT
Not worth the potential trouble. Unless it's way cheap. it would be better to simply find another Pre Ban. There are many out there and prices are coming down quite a bit.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:33:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: Not worth the potential trouble. Unless it's way cheap. it would be better to simply find another Pre Ban. There are many out there and prices are coming down quite a bit.
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When God was handing out brains, AR50troll thought he said "trains" and asked for a nice, slow one. Bu then, Imbroglio's tongue in cheek remark would likely be missed by a troll.
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:41:04 PM EDT
When God was handing out brains, AR50troll thought he said "trains" and asked for a nice, slow one. Bu then, Imbroglio's tongue in cheek remark would likely be missed by a troll.
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Now that is some QUALITY moderator skills in action. You have to turn it into a pissing match. Wow Goatboy, you sure can pick 'em. I never met God dipshit. There is no God. Never was, never will be. Just like Santa and the Easter Bunny.[}:(] AR50Troll
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:42:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: I never met God dipshit. .[}:(] AR50Troll
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I bow to your superior intellect, and eloquence. garandman
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:46:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 1:48:44 PM EDT
Now if you boys can't play nicely little ar50troll will have to go home and Grandman will have to take a time-out...
Link Posted: 8/22/2001 4:52:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Confederate: Can I purchase a Colt Government Carbine serial # is GC0213xx. I'm not a LEO. According to the serial numbers lists that I have seen only GC018500 and below are preban. This weapon is not marked LEO, but the serial number is higher than GC018500. Can I own it legally?? It has factory flash suppressor, collapsible stock, and bayo lug.
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It is LEO, if you have the box, colt pu a little sticker on the side and should say "LEO w/o mags" Beleive me, I have experience with Ser. #GC022028. It was only 900 dollars down the tube, but I saw it 1 year after the CB and thought it was am preB. GG
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