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Posted: 1/1/2016 7:32:48 PM EDT
Can a 5.56/.223 rifle, handle all of hunting and self defense needs? What bullets do you choose for hunting and self defense?
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:34:07 PM EDT
Mk262 for both.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:34:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2016 7:35:06 PM EDT by Greenfeet]
Technically it can, as I've never hunted anything bigger than white tail.  That being said, I still really want an AR-10

ETA: Barnes TSX for hunting, M193 for HD
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:35:07 PM EDT
No.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:38:19 PM EDT
If I had to choose one rifle and one pistol, it'd be an AR15 and a .22lr pistol.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:40:31 PM EDT
If you don't hunt anything bigger than deer then it definitely can handle everything
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:41:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wreckshooter:
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Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:42:37 PM EDT
I won't hunt deer with a .223, so no.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:43:55 PM EDT
Does just fine on people..........so yes.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:44:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By castiel:
If you don't hunt anything bigger than deer then it definitely can handle everything
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Some hiker in Alaska smoked a grizzly bear with his ak74. I know different caliber but still. I don't think there's anything on earth that can with stand a mag dump.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:44:39 PM EDT
It would for me as I don't really hunt much, but I would like something with a bit more punch for deer and larger.  I could get by with it but I would have to be very particular about my shots and at what range to shoot as well.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:45:24 PM EDT
Depends if I run into a T-Rex or not.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:45:25 PM EDT

Nope.

It's adequate for blacktail deer, but we have much larger critters here and some of them have big scary teeth and claws.

Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:47:34 PM EDT
MK318 worked great on the two hogs and one doe I got this year also use it for my HD load.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:47:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2016 7:48:51 PM EDT by Kubota3430]
Yes and no, yes an AR can kill an elk, but no, it would not be the most humane way of hunting elk.

Let alone the legal issues of the caliber.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:51:51 PM EDT
There's no way I'd carry a .223 while zebra hunting.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:55:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Htown156:
There's no way I'd carry a .223 while zebra hunting.
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9.3x62 is a great round for Zebra.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:56:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2016 8:05:26 PM EDT by waterglass]
a .22Lr can handle those needs in a pinch. 556 is good for white tail and meth head in your house, but If it is me verses the world I am packing a rimfire. If what I can carry is all I will get I am packing a 10/22. The ability to pack 500 rounds loaded in mags in a small space, and another 3K lose in a dump pouch trumps 556.

I want to be able to shoot squirrels and rabbits and birds and not ruin them. Plus 22 is a lot quieter.

If I had to survive with a rifle, my primary interests would be being able to pack a lot of ammo, and its utility to gather food.

 




Link Posted: 1/1/2016 7:58:01 PM EDT
Never tried to shoot an elk with a .223.


Uh... wouldn't be real happy if that was my only choice either.


Mule Deer... eh, maybe
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:00:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Evil_Ryu:
If I had to choose one rifle and one pistol, it'd be an AR15 and a .22lr pistol.
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for me, it would be my 22LR pistol and my AR-10 in 308. both have cans and having both with full power match ammo and also subsonic ammo covers 4 distinct situations VERY well.

of course that depends on what is meant by "two guns" if we stretch it a bit, and I carry a backpack,
I'll take my 22LR pistol and my AR-15 with a 6.8 UPPER, a 300 BLK upper and a 223 upper, and my cans.
then I'm even better set and my ammo scrounging ability goes up.

heh. I had to laugh after I wrote that. how much could my scrounging ability POSSIBLY go up if I'm looking for 6.8 or 300 BLK ?
maybe the first scenario is still the best scenario :-D
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:01:23 PM EDT
Probably but I like variety
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:03:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2016 8:03:41 PM EDT by LnWlf]
75gr hornady and 77smk are really all I shoot.

The main reason I have a 5.56 is availability and cost of parts,ammo, etc. I have other calibers that fit other roles better but in a SHTF scenario I'm grabbing the 5.56 and g17
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:37:52 PM EDT
On the show Alaska the last frontier, I think that's what it's called. The folks that live in the town on the river. I forget the name. It sucks to get old....Anyway that ole guy shot a bull moose with a Colt SP1 55gr. to the head @ what looked like about 50yrds. same guy shot 3 wolves with AR 1 one the run @ about 100yrds. So with proper shot placement, I'd shoot anything up to a whitetail deer or wild hog so my answer is YES with 45-77grain ammo a lot can be taken down.....turkey too jerky and anything in between.....
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:39:08 PM EDT
it could.......But why would I want it too???????
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:39:47 PM EDT
62 gr Fusion
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:43:54 PM EDT
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62 gr Fusion
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I used some 62gr Fusion MSR (16" bbl) on a doe this year.  The damage was amazing.  


 
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:45:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IchWarrior:
Never tried to shoot an elk with a .223.


Uh... wouldn't be real happy if that was my only choice either.


Mule Deer... eh, maybe
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I smoked a muley at 380 with black hills 68gr, he took a few steps and dropped.I know that's a miniscule sample, and always, shot placement was key. I doubt I would have pushed that shot much further, just based on my own ability with that rifle at the time,
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:46:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
Yes and no, yes an AR can kill an elk, but no, it would not be the most humane way of hunting elk.

Let alone the legal issues of the caliber.
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Legal issues? Maybe in some states. 223 is legal here for hunting
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:51:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
a .22Lr can handle those needs in a pinch. 556 is good for white tail and meth head in your house, but If it is me verses the world I am packing a rimfire. If what I can carry is all I will get I am packing a 10/22. The ability to pack 500 rounds loaded in mags in a small space, and another 3K lose in a dump pouch trumps 556.

I want to be able to shoot squirrels and rabbits and birds and not ruin them. Plus 22 is a lot quieter.

If I had to survive with a rifle, my primary interests would be being able to pack a lot of ammo, and its utility to gather food.

 




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A small, light, mag-fed .22lr with a can is probably the king of survival options for a zombie movie  
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:53:40 PM EDT
5.56 beats the ever living fuck out of obsidian tipped spears and arrows eight days a week, and all of our ancestors quite successfully used those for tens of thousands of years.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:54:42 PM EDT
CO's hunting regs don't allow for .233/5.56 to be used for deer, elk, antelope etc. I use a 30-06 with 185 grain swift a frames. I just ordered a CZ 550 full stock in 6.5x55 and am really excited to try it. Think I'll start with 140 grain and see how it does. I don't care much for the recoil on my 30-06 so I'm hoping the 6.5x55 can become my do all rifle.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:54:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Greenfeet:
Technically it can, as I've never hunted anything bigger than white tail.  That being said, I still really want an AR-10

ETA: Barnes TSX for hunting, M193 for HD
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I have a few buddies who hunt with 60gp NP for moose and caribou, I taken 2 black bears with 60gr NP out of my single shot rifle, both neck spin shots.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:55:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By castiel:
If you don't hunt anything bigger than deer then it definitely can handle everything
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My dove, quail and waterfowl hunting disagrees.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:57:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2016 8:57:37 PM EDT by NCFLAR15]
I live in Florida so yes, it would kill anything here....except maybe someone high on flakka.  
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:58:18 PM EDT
Around here, yeah. Nothing in OH .223 can't handle. Problem is that it's not legal to use on deer...or turkeys/migratory birds.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:59:16 PM EDT
I don't hunt, only needs are target, defense, maybe shtf. If I needed to hunt out necessity I'd try for deer, and smaller game if necessary.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 8:59:35 PM EDT
Yes. My preferred ammo choice is shot placement.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:00:34 PM EDT
If I was starving, sure.



If I were concerned about humane kills, no.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:00:35 PM EDT
I really just turn money into noise, so yeah, I'd say it works.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:02:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IchWarrior:
Never tried to shoot an elk with a .223.


Uh... wouldn't be real happy if that was my only choice either.


Mule Deer... eh, maybe
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It will probably work on mulies unless/until the game warden catches you.  That's the moment when it won't be enough gun for the job.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:04:27 PM EDT
Sure it will but I don't depend solely on it to do so.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:06:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wreckshooter:
No.



+1 my closest neighbor is a black bear sooo...
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:09:24 PM EDT
In a pinch, yes...but I really don't want to deer hunt with nothing more than a 62-75gr bullet.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:09:42 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By waterglass:


a .22Lr can handle those needs in a pinch. 556 is good for white tail and meth head in your house, but If it is me verses the world I am packing a rimfire. If what I can carry is all I will get I am packing a 10/22. The ability to pack 500 rounds loaded in mags in a small space, and another 3K lose in a dump pouch trumps 556.



I want to be able to shoot squirrels and rabbits and birds and not ruin them. Plus 22 is a lot quieter.



If I had to survive with a rifle, my primary interests would be being able to pack a lot of ammo, and its utility to gather food.



 
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I agree

 
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:10:28 PM EDT
I have to use a shotgun to deer hunt where I do most of my hunting.  Also I like hunting birds too.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:10:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BOYSCOUT4LIFE:
On the show Alaska the last frontier, I think that's what it's called. The folks that live in the town on the river. I forget the name. It sucks to get old....Anyway that ole guy shot a bull moose with a Colt SP1 55gr. to the head @ what looked like about 50yrds. same guy shot 3 wolves with AR 1 one the run @ about 100yrds. So with proper shot placement, I'd shoot anything up to a whitetail deer or wild hog so my answer is YES with 45-77grain ammo a lot can be taken down.....turkey too jerky and anything in between.....
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Idc what that guy is capable of doing to a moose with a 223 but I would not choose an AR-15 for that job. I would prefer a pump action loaded with kick ass slugs.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:12:35 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By DPeacher:


5.56 beats the ever living fuck out of obsidian tipped spears and arrows eight days a week, and all of our ancestors quite successfully used those for tens of thousands of years.
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QFT

 
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:13:19 PM EDT
No. It's illegal to hunt big game in Colorado with .22.

Also I like shooting other calibers.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:13:34 PM EDT
Elk are taken regularly here in Idaho with a Mini-14.  But they are on horseback and get quite close to the animals.  Also sks with those 100gr. hollow points.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:13:43 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:


Yes. My preferred ammo choice is shot placement.
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Seems to do the job well around here.

 


Link Posted: 1/1/2016 9:23:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Evil_Ryu:
If I had to choose one rifle and one pistol,
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It would be an M40 and a 1911A1.
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