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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:00:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2005 10:00:46 AM EDT by Goonboss]
Well, I just talked to a buddy of mine that is a recruiter about going back in. He said that it would be no problem, but, I'd have to go back in as a 91W (What 91B folded into). I asked him if there was anything else I could get, 'casue I wasn't going back in as a medic. No way, no how.

He laughed, and, said "Yeah, we always got jobs in the field of killing people."

That's actually what I wanted to do anyway. He said 11B would be no problem at all.

I did Basic and, AIT separeate (Ft. Knox/Ft Sam)

How does the OSUT at Benning go? Basic and, AIT are just kind of folded in?

Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:05:24 AM EDT
I did OSUT at Knox for 19E....way back when, but yeah, they fold in basic and AIT together into one. Works out nice, you stay in one place, I believe its generally a little shorter doing an OSUT as opposed to a separate basic and AIT too....

But as prior service, I would think you would only have to maybe do an AIT for 11B...since you are changing your MOS. Of course I don't know shit about how it works now, so I guess whatever the recruiter tells you....
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:12:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:
I did OSUT at Knox for 19E....way back when, but yeah, they fold in basic and AIT together into one. Works out nice, you stay in one place, I believe its generally a little shorter doing an OSUT as opposed to a separate basic and AIT too....

But as prior service, I would think you would only have to maybe do an AIT for 11B...since you are changing your MOS. Of course I don't know shit about how it works now, so I guess whatever the recruiter tells you....




Yeah, I know 13 and 19 series do OSUT..I was a 19D in the TXARNG, but, I was never awarded the MOS.

Thanks...19E....M-60 flavor?
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:19:31 AM EDT
Yeah, M-48 M-60 series....this was way back, late 80's....my unit still had M-48A5's! Shit, we were lucky we didn't have Shermans (although THAT would've been cool)

Just as I was getting out, they started to transition to M1's, since they RA was getting all their new shiny M1A1's, this was just after Desert Storm....

Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:26:52 AM EDT
I would think you would not have to go thru the whole OSUT, instead you would get placed in the middle of the OSUT in progress, and just get in on the last half.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:38:47 AM EDT
Since you're prior service I doubt the Army will make you go through all of OSUT. The first half of OSUT is basically basic training; beating you into something resembling a troop. Since you've already done that there's no point in making you do it again.


When I was going through OSUT at Fort Benning we had some guy come in to reclass from 12 or 13 series (I can't really remember which). He showed up the last week of the BCT phase and just jumped into AIT so he could get the MOS award.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 10:53:58 AM EDT
My question is WHY. hingNot a lot of outside skills. If you do choose 11B get lots of civilian schools before you retire.
Go Airborne Go Ranger....
As prior service, you'll make E6 fast. After that you'll fight for promotion. Been there, I'm Prior too. Thats why you'll need college, Airborne and Ranger. You'll see E-7.
If there is something else you saw MOS wise. Check it out. Make your recuiter do what he can to get it. You may have to wait for an opening.
OSUT I beleive is still 13 weeks. You may do only the last half. Don't expect it. You'll probably do 13. Your prior service you know what to expect.
Don't know about THE ARMY OF ONE
But, BE ALL YOU CAN BE
Go Infantry Go Airborne he
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:19:27 AM EDT
If you're looking at going back in as a Guardsman, they may not even send you to Benning. I think, for example, the MOS conversion course for the Western states is in Idaho somewhere.

NTM
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:32:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Viper3:
My question is WHY.
I spent 20 wonderful years as a 11BxP. Didn't want to do any thing else.
Not a lot of outside skills. If you do choose 11B get lots of civilian schools before you retire.
Go Airborne Go Ranger....
As prior service, you'll make E6 fast. After that you'll fight for promotion. Been there, I'm Prior too. Thats why you'll need college, Airborne and Ranger. You'll see E-7.
If there is something else you saw MOS wise. Check it out. Make your recuiter do what he can to get it. You may have to wait for an opening.
OSUT I beleive is still 13 weeks. You may do only the last half. Don't expect it. You'll probably do 13. Your prior service you know what to expect.
Don't know about THE ARMY OF ONE
But, BE ALL YOU CAN BE
Go Infantry Go Airborne
Rangers Lead The Way.




lol..They can keep that Ranger crap :)

My buddy said Airborne should be no problem, so, I'll have airborne, and, EFMB (from prior) and, I'm sure EIB isn't that much harder than EFMB. So, I should have plenty of the cute badges.

Frankly, I'd be happy to do the 13 or whatever weeks. I've been out for 7 years. It'd probably do me good.

Why? Good question. Probably one of the biggest ones is sitting on the sidelines during Iraq and, Afganistan. I thought it would get easier. It's not. There are other reasons, of course.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:44:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By napalm:
Since you're prior service I doubt the Army will make you go through all of OSUT. The first half of OSUT is basically basic training; beating you into something resembling a troop. Since you've already done that there's no point in making you do it again.


When I was going through OSUT at Fort Benning we had some guy come in to reclass from 12 or 13 series (I can't really remember which). He showed up the last week of the BCT phase and just jumped into AIT so he could get the MOS award.



Oh, he'll go.

We had a former Marine Sgt. that worked on Helo's and a "Petroleum Specialist", both were reclassing for SF. Went through the whole thing.

However, since they were prior service, they could go to the PX whenever, blah blah blah.


But yea, if you go into the National Guard, you'll just go to what's called "MOSQ" school. Basically it's just "AIT" at a base somewhere. Around here, you go to Arkansas and do it.


For my company in OSUT, there was literally no different between BT and the AIT portion. We got to get newspapers on the weekends. Other companies had more passes, could go to PX, etc.....but not ours.
We had a 30hour pass from Saturday noon until Sunday at 5pm'ish where we could go offbase and spend time with family.

During AIT, all we did was take a look at the Mk19 and the TOW missle. Didnt touch an M2 or anything like that. Went on FTX, came back, cleaned weapons and sat around doing jackshit for a week, then graduated.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:46:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:51:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By napalm:
Since you're prior service I doubt the Army will make you go through all of OSUT. The first half of OSUT is basically basic training; beating you into something resembling a troop. Since you've already done that there's no point in making you do it again.


When I was going through OSUT at Fort Benning we had some guy come in to reclass from 12 or 13 series (I can't really remember which). He showed up the last week of the BCT phase and just jumped into AIT so he could get the MOS award.



Oh, he'll go.

We had a former Marine Sgt. that worked on Helo's and a "Petroleum Specialist", both were reclassing for SF. Went through the whole thing.

However, since they were prior service, they could go to the PX whenever, blah blah blah.


But yea, if you go into the National Guard, you'll just go to what's called "MOSQ" school. Basically it's just "AIT" at a base somewhere. Around here, you go to Arkansas and do it.


For my company in OSUT, there was literally no different between BT and the AIT portion. We got to get newspapers on the weekends. Other companies had more passes, could go to PX, etc.....but not ours.
We had a 30hour pass from Saturday noon until Sunday at 5pm'ish where we could go offbase and spend time with family.

During AIT, all we did was take a look at the Mk19 and the TOW missle. Didnt touch an M2 or anything like that. Went on FTX, came back, cleaned weapons and sat around doing jackshit for a week, then graduated.



They were going to send me to Austin to MOSQ as a 19D when I was in NG....I transferred to IRR before that happened though.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:08:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2005 12:09:46 PM EDT by MachinegunManiac]

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
Well, I just talked to a buddy of mine that is a recruiter about going back in. He said that it would be no problem, but, I'd have to go back in as a 91W (What 91B folded into). I asked him if there was anything else I could get, 'casue I wasn't going back in as a medic. No way, no how.

He laughed, and, said "Yeah, we always got jobs in the field of killing people."

That's actually what I wanted to do anyway. He said 11B would be no problem at all.

I did Basic and, AIT separeate (Ft. Knox/Ft Sam)

How does the OSUT at Benning go? Basic and, AIT are just kind of folded in?



Go back in? As in you used to be a medic? What was it like as a 91B that you decided to change your mind?
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:32:41 PM EDT
OSUT at Benning is at Sand Hill, right? Because I mean, JOY! Benning, and especially Sand Hill are just the bright spot of the universe you know?
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:37:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MachinegunManiac:

Originally Posted By Goonboss:
Well, I just talked to a buddy of mine that is a recruiter about going back in. He said that it would be no problem, but, I'd have to go back in as a 91W (What 91B folded into). I asked him if there was anything else I could get, 'casue I wasn't going back in as a medic. No way, no how.

He laughed, and, said "Yeah, we always got jobs in the field of killing people."

That's actually what I wanted to do anyway. He said 11B would be no problem at all.

I did Basic and, AIT separeate (Ft. Knox/Ft Sam)

How does the OSUT at Benning go? Basic and, AIT are just kind of folded in?



Go back in? As in you used to be a medic? What was it like as a 91B that you decided to change your mind?



1. I'm plum out of the compassion it takes to be a medic.
2. Working with females in the military, becasue the MOS is open to both.
3. I'm just not interested in it any more.
4. Leading medics is like hearding cats.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:42:23 PM EDT
I think Infantry Osut is allot longer now.. They have the new expanded 11 or 12 week basic training, and then the 2 or 3 weeks for Infantry AIT.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 12:54:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:

4. Leading medics is like hearding cats.



Oh, yeah. You're gonna love the infantry.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 1:16:35 PM EDT
I went through OSUT at Benning in 1983. We had a 37 year old guy who was an SF vet from 'Nam who they made go through the whole thing (it was 13 weeks then but our cycle was crammed into 12 due to Christmas and it not being worth their time/money to have us return for a week and graduate). This dude was going back to SF. On graduation day he had more shit on his dress greens than most of the drill sergeants! That included a CIB and an SF combat patch, among many others. The drill sergeants didn't fuck with him too much throughout the whole process. He was a platoon guide (go figure). I've often wondered how things went with him and SF. Hell, he'd be about 59 now. Long since retired I'm sure.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 2:29:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stottman:
I think Infantry Osut is allot longer now.. They have the new expanded 11 or 12 week basic training, and then the 2 or 3 weeks for Infantry AIT.



Guys that just got back said it was actually 2 weeks shorter.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 2:31:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
OSUT at Benning is at Sand Hill, right? Because I mean, JOY! Benning, and especially Sand Hill are just the bright spot of the universe you know?



Yes, it is.

For Infantry, anyway.



I kinda rather enjoyed the place. The only thing that sucked was the humidity and it being 100* before 10am during the summer.

That, and the copperhead snakes......and water moccasins/cottonmouths....

And the black widow spiders that were in a-freaking-bundance in the woods.

And the fireants that have like one mound every 3 feet....

But other than that....
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 2:31:28 PM EDT
I would love to join the military... sigh
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:17:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By distributor_of_pain:
I would love to join the military... sigh



Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:19:04 AM EDT
Well GoonBoss
You think Rangers are crap. But by your last line that you want to be in the fight. What do you want when you get back after the fight. Talk to those that have been there. Mine were Panama and Desert Storm.
I'm not talking badges, I'm talking a carrer. I hope you have a gold set as to where you want to be in 10 or 15 years. And if you want to be a PSG, 1sg or CSM, you might want to rethink Ranger are crap. Especially if you decide be in the 82d Airborne Div.
Like I said.
Go Infantry Go Airborne
Rangers Lead The Way
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:20:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Goonboss:


How does the OSUT at Benning go? Basic and, AIT are just kind of folded in?




BAsically 15 weeks of basic.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:22:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Viper3:
Well GoonBoss
You think Rangers are crap. But by your last line that you want to be in the fight. What do you want when you get back after the fight. Talk to those that have been there. Mine were Panama and Desert Storm.
I'm not talking badges, I'm talking a carrer. I hope you have a gold set as to where you want to be in 10 or 15 years. And if you want to be a PSG, 1sg or CSM, you might want to rethink Ranger are crap. Especially if you decide be in the 82d Airborne Div.
Like I said.
Go Infantry Go Airborne
Rangers Lead The Way



Dude...Get a freakin' clue. I was kidding.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:25:00 AM EDT
So what do you want? Let us know.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:38:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Viper3:
So what do you want? Let us know.



What do I want? Well, that's the billion dollar question.

If I do make the jump to go back in, I'll do 11B. As far as being a 1SG, or higher, I really don't care. I, nor my wife will play the politics involved in the senior NCO game. I'd love to go to Ranger School, but, unlike some, I put a value on all the combat arms as a combined team winning the fight. I'm a grown up, so, I'm not really down with the whole light infantry mafia.

I also want to be stationed at FT Hood....No airborne or Ranger batts here.

"Ranger crap" was merely meant as a figgure of speach.

I figgure I can be a good soldier without being a Ranger, though.

I didn't start this thread as I damn war about MOS's. I just wanted to know how the OSUT thing worked.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:39:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 10:41:18 AM EDT by FREEFALLE7]
Yes it is 12-13 weeks total with a 48hr break in the middle

Well I was am 11B Drill SGT at FT Benning for 3 yrs Aco 2/19 IN.

First of all you will arrive at 30th AG for inprocessing 1-2 weeks, you know the deal.

Then you will be shipped to your OSUT company for the next 12-13 weeks.

After week 6/7 you will have family day(48 hour weekend pass) to get laid, eat real food etc.

Then you graduate and ship to your unit(you will take leave inroute 10 or so days) or ship to RIP(Ranger indoctrine program)Airborne school that day or go to the hold company(you will still get a weekend pass most of the time) until you can get into RIP/Airborne school.

Let me know if you have any more questions and good luck.

FREE
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 11:01:07 AM EDT
I don't mean to sound hard to you. But you want to go back in. So you probably want to do 20 yrs. It was just some advice, you can run with it or do what you want. As for the politics. Don't blow it off. When you get deployed you best half will want to know whats going on. You won't get to talk to her everyday. You don't need to kiss a** but be all you can and you wife is a big part of what you do. Your prior, your time out will hurt your promotions. Better yet Lets hear from Prior Service. Tell your story
Viper3
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 11:09:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Viper3:
I don't mean to sound hard to you. But you want to go back in. So you probably want to do 20 yrs. It was just some advice, you can run with it or do what you want. As for the politics. Don't blow it off. When you get deployed you best half will want to know whats going on. You won't get to talk to her everyday. You don't need to kiss a** but be all you can and you wife is a big part of what you do. Your prior, your time out will hurt your promotions. Better yet Lets hear from Prior Service. Tell your story
Viper3



I know I need to talk to my wife, but, it's still good advice.

Politics have nothing to do with my ability to communicate with my spuse and, children, though.


I will blow off the politics as much as I can. My wife is NOT in the Army. She'd join if she wanted to take orders from the Col. or his wife, or the other hens in the family support group.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 11:34:08 AM EDT
Goonboss
Your wife won't take oders from anyone. My wife won't take order from me let alone from someone else. But thats not what I'm talking about. When your a leader and you will be. Your wife helps you get there. She deserved to be recognized too. As you become a leader your soldiers look to you for advise. So will your soldiers wives look to your wife for advise. I once heard a commander say. They're your soldiers and so are their families, take care of them too. He was right. I had soldiers that worked hard and didn't have to worry about thier families when deployed.
And you don't have to always be grown up. Just be a good leader.
I posted a Prior Service 2 cents worth.
Good Luck and Go 11B
Viper3
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 10:30:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Yes it is 12-13 weeks total with a 48hr break in the middle

Well I was am 11B Drill SGT at FT Benning for 3 yrs Aco 2/19 IN.

First of all you will arrive at 30th AG for inprocessing 1-2 weeks, you know the deal.

Then you will be shipped to your OSUT company for the next 12-13 weeks.

After week 6/7 you will have family day(48 hour weekend pass) to get laid, eat real food etc.

Then you graduate and ship to your unit(you will take leave inroute 10 or so days) or ship to RIP(Ranger indoctrine program)Airborne school that day or go to the hold company(you will still get a weekend pass most of the time) until you can get into RIP/Airborne school.

Let me know if you have any more questions and good luck.

FREE



When were you a DS at 2/19??

I was C Co. 2/19........May-Sept. '03.

And our Family Day pass was at the end of the 8th week, going onto the 9th week. And it was only 26hrs.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 4:55:41 AM EDT
Here is an option laid out that you should at least consider:

Join the TX National Guard, Infantry Unit. 1 year Try-One contract.
2 week re-class MOSQ 11B at PEC in Arkansas. You keep your E4 is you ETS as E4.
If your unit has already returned from deployment(very likely) sign on to national deployment
volunteer list.
Touch foot in Iraq/Afgan if you plan to stay in, do an immediate re-enlistment for $7500 lump sum
tax free for 3 years or $15k lump sum tax free 6 years.

This keeps you and your Family in TX. You will get full Type 1 BAH since your married and deployed. You and your family get full active duty Tri-care. The National Guard does not offer Base Housing so you will make more money then being in base housing.

OR

Do a tour and ETS back out. You can always switch to Active Duty from the Guard, and even if you ETS you will still maintain status for 180 days and your physical will be good for 5 years after.

Good luck to you however you decide to go!
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