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Posted: 8/18/2017 9:35:05 AM EDT
There have been some hotly debated threads about "con con" constitutional convention or similarly referred to Article V processes to change the constitution with some blurry and vague process where we allow politicians to rewrite the constitution.

I've long argued against it because of the liberal lefts control and desire to use it to take away even more of our rights.

Well we now see Californian's going to try to use to rewrite the constitution to be able to exit the union.

Mark Levin the radio talk show host is one of the biggest advocates of this process... as are many members here.

Will this change their minds? Will this make them understand how horrible of an idea it is now?

We shall see..


http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article167823307.html..
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Well.....bye.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 9:50:34 AM EDT
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The measure says a reworked Constitution should include a provision creating a “clear and reasonable path for states to achieve complete independence from the United States should any state so choose.” 
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FUCK YES!

TEXIT NOW!!!
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 9:51:46 AM EDT
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Also, no. I think that Mark Levin would probably be perfectly fine with states deciding to leave the United States and go it alone if they up and decided to do so. 
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yawn
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 9:53:19 AM EDT
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The Cal Con Con team includes Marcus Ruiz Evans, who was vice president of Yes California that crafted Calexit I. He resigned this spring when the effort petered out, saying that movement’s leader, Louis J. Marinelli, had become a distraction because of his ties to Russia.
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Roosians ... they're everywhere!
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 9:57:48 AM EDT
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The measure says a reworked Constitution should include a provision creating a “clear and reasonable path for states to achieve complete independence from the United States should any state so choose.” 
FUCK YES!

TEXIT NOW!!!
They will also rewrite a bunch of the other parts. And no doubt take away the 2nd Amendment before they leave. So let's not cheer that on .... mmmmkay.
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The measure says a reworked Constitution should include a provision creating a “clear and reasonable path for states to achieve complete independence from the United States should any state so choose.” 
FUCK YES!

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They will also rewrite a bunch of the other parts. And no doubt take away the 2nd Amendment before they leave. So let's not cheer that on .... mmmmkay.
I have to agree.
And no I do not want any states seceding from the union, its been tried already and didn't go well once. Instead we need to stop dicking around and begin punishing those that knowingly break the law or incite others to break the laws of our nation and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law regardless if they hold elected office or not.

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The measure says a reworked Constitution should include a provision creating a “clear and reasonable path for states to achieve complete independence from the United States should any state so choose.” 
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TEXIT NOW!!!
They will also rewrite a bunch of the other parts. And no doubt take away the 2nd Amendment before they leave. So let's not cheer that on .... mmmmkay.
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 10:14:36 AM EDT
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Fucking saw that coming from a hundred miles away. Been saying that in every Art V thread for the last three years. A convention will be hijacked and used to fuck us over. One is done every 20 years in FL and it is a cluster fuck.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 10:17:21 AM EDT
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In order to make a change, don't like 3/4 of the states have to agree to it?  I mean CA can make a rule and change the Constitution.
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all they'd have to do is manage the voting machines
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 10:20:14 AM EDT
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An Article V Constitutional Convention will somehow be taken over by the left and we will lose the 2A and many other rights.

I think it's playing with fire.
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A convention of states is not a blank check to rewrite the constitution. It would end up being a line by line adoption process of the amendments purposed similar to the original method of how the constitution was written and adopted. Read a book. The 2nd will be as fine as it is now.

A mechanism for states to leave the union is one of the areas the founders left horribly lacking. It caused a war once and will do so again if nothing is done about it. If California left the union it would be a blessing. To be clear though I only support leaving on a county by county basis. If half of the geographical state wants to stay they can.
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The Convention formed to Fix the Articles of Confederation had rules and the committee members decided to throw those out the window and came up with the Constitution instead.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 10:30:09 AM EDT
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Article V only provides a separate path for the proposal of Constitutional Amendments. A minority of States can no more impose changes to the Constitution (without 3/4 of the States ratifying the Amendment) than the Congress can.

One Supreme Court Justice (breaking a tie). . . .well that is a different story.
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They will also rewrite a bunch of the other parts. And no doubt take away the 2nd Amendment before they leave. So let's not cheer that on .... mmmmkay.
I'll say the same thing I always say in these threads. If and its a big if, an Article V convention is successfully "hijacked" and 3/4 States agree. Then guess what, the process was followed and the country as we hope it is, is dead.

Consider it a definitive sign that the USA is dead. So hem and haw all you want, just understand that it would be proof positive that the average citizen has no say in their governance.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 10:44:58 AM EDT
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Whatever California comes up with, it will no doubt fail to be passed by 3/4 of the states for ratification.  However, I'm sure Moonbeam and Pelosi will believe it does not need to be ratified.  If they lose that battle, they will fall back to popular vote rather than state ratification.

Why it will never be ratified?  It's because California will only be able to succeed if they get to discharge their debt.  That means the rest of the states would have to assume it.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 10:46:14 AM EDT
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Let CA leave if they want.  Then we can invade them, seize their ports, install a puppet government and eat all their avocados while drinking fancy wine.
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It ought to make all the people jerking off to the thought of a civil war happy.

Because that would definitely be worth killing and dying for.

Might even get some new monuments out of it.
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A convention of states is not a blank check to rewrite the constitution. It would end up being a line by line adoption process of the amendments purposed similar to the original method of how the constitution was written and adopted. Read a book. The 2nd will be as fine as it is now.

A mechanism for states to leave the union is one of the areas the founders left horribly lacking. It caused a war once and will do so again if nothing is done about it. If California left the union it would be a blessing. To be clear though I only support leaving on a county by county basis. If half of the geographical state wants to stay they can.
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You are mistaken. While there are a ton of opinion pieces written on it.... the Cogressional Research Office concluded that since there is no clear cut process in place then most of the process once it starts will have to made up along the way by the participants. So the whole "but they can't change (insert your personal favorite)" doesn't hold water in the argument.

You should read read up on it as well and stop being so reliant on the interwebs experts.
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They have lots of good breweries.  I vote for me as the Brewery Czar!!!
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Article V only provides a separate path for the proposal of Constitutional Amendments. A minority of States can no more impose changes to the Constitution (without 3/4 of the States ratifying the Amendment) than the Congress can.

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The Congressional Research Office disagrees with you. Their own report basically states that since there is no clear process for the Article V that much of it will have to be made up along the way by the participants.

I know a lot of the proponents like to think it is limited.... but it isn't. Scary stuff.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 11:26:11 AM EDT
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There is nothing in the constitution that says states cannot secede.
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Each amendment needs to be ratified by the states.  We have 33 states, they fucking lose.  However, the way these
cocksucking Rinos keep coming out of the closet, it may very well be a slippery slope.
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brackens description in foreign enemies and traitors, is how I think it would go, should we reopen it.  I SERIOUSLY doubt reopening it would lead to ANYTHING good. at least not for conservatives,  but for liberals? hell yeah, ban this, ban this, money for this, protection for that. etc.

“Well, we didn’t just ‘give up’ our rights.   It wasn’t like that.   Not at all.   It’s more like they were stolen in broad daylight, at the constitutional convention.” Carson asked, “How did that happen?   I was down in the Caribbean then.   American news wasn’t so big down there.   Panama was going through its own troubles, and I was keeping a low profile.   I didn’t have cable TV, that’s for sure.”   “I’ll tell you what happened— I watched it happen.   When the convention was over, that’s when we knew that the old America was gone.   It was over.   Finished.”

“The convention was in Philadelphia, right?” Right.   I was in Baltimore when it happened, but it was televised wall-to-wall.   On television, the talking heads called it the con-con, like it was a big joke or something.   Maybe constitutional convention was too hard to spell, or maybe it took them too long to say it.   Too many syllables.   You know— time is money.   I think a lot of the people behind the convention couldn’t even pronounce it, much less spell it, so it just became the con-con.” “It was two years ago?” “Yeah, two years ago in September.  

Doug set his rifle barrel back down on the table and continued.   “The country was already a mess, and that was undeniable.   Everybody and his brother were proposing constitutional amendments, supposedly to fix the economy, or make everything fair for the poor, or whatever.   That’s how Congress came up with thirty-four state legislatures calling for amendments.   There were seven or eight totally different amendment proposals, but it didn’t matter.   Once Congress had thirty-four states on record proposing amendments, they went for it.   I think they were just waiting for the chance.  

Once they had thirty-four states, it only took a 51 percent vote in Congress to call for the convention.” “Congress?   I don’t understand.   What do they have to do with the convention?” asked Carson.   “Everything, under Article Five.   It all came down to Article Five of the old constitution.   Congress runs the whole show for constitutional conventions.” “It does?   I didn’t know that.” “Yeah, well, join the club.   That was a major surprise to almost everybody, since it had never happened before.   Not in over two hundred years, since it was written.   So nobody knew much about Article Five,” said Doug.

“I guess that changed in a hurry.” “You’re not kidding.   It was shock therapy.   Especially when the Poor People’s Party marched through Baltimore.   There were already about a million of them camping out in Washington on the National Mall before the convention.   When they took off walking to Philly, it was like a dam bursting.   That was on Labor Day.   Mile after mile of people with flags, signs, drums, musical bands on trucks— everything you can imagine.   Police cars were escorting them, leading them up I-95.   They closed the northbound lanes of 95 for something like twenty miles, for the whole time it took them to walk to Philly.   They kept moving that closed section of 95 north, to keep up with the marchers.   There was nothing else on television, practically.   It took them two days just to get through

Baltimore, and when they came through, they spread out like locusts.   I was in Baltimore then, back in my mother’s house.   I’d quit college and gotten my draft notice.   I was waiting to report for basic training.” Doug took a sip of his instant coffee, and went on.   “Naturally, our own locals got into the spirit and joined the march.   They took whatever they wanted from any stores along the way, and the police just watched.   There was nothing they could do anyway, or it would have caused the biggest riot in history.   It was legalized looting, that’s all it was.   Legalized looting, all over Baltimore.   ‘Redistributing the wealth,’ they called it.   We stayed locked in our house and watched it all on television.   It would have been suicide to go out and see it in person.”   “So it was, ah… racially polarized?” asked Carson.

“Extremely.   Everything was black and white when they came marching through Baltimore.   Blacks marching, and whites hiding.   I never saw anything like it in my life.   Well, not until Memphis, but that was after the earthquakes.” Carson asked, “How far is it from Washington to Philly?   Two hundred miles?” “That’s about right.   It took two weeks for them to make it all the way, and when they arrived, the constitutional convention was just starting.   Perfect timing.   What a coincidence, right?   It was all planned in advance, that’s obvious now.   They held the convention in Philly’s new sports arena, the one that was named for a bank.   I think that bank is out of business; I don’t know what they call it now.   The delegates were down

on the floor, and the rest of the stands were full of twenty thousand ‘spectators.’   Yelling and screaming like maniacs— and outside it was worse.   They said there were over a million of the Poor People’s Party in Philly by then, coming from everywhere, not just Washington.   Probably another million just from the Philadelphia area.   They were banging on buckets and pans, turning over cars, barricading streets and smashing store windows.   They kept interviewing the rabble-rousers on TV— it was like pouring gasoline on fire.   ‘No Justice, No Peace,’ that’s all you heard.   That was one of the big mantras.   They called the looting ‘street reparations.’   They said if they didn’t get the economic justice amendment, they’d burn the city down.   It looked like they would, too.   Every street in downtown Philly looked like Times Square on New Year’s

Eve, that’s how crowded it was.” “Jeez, that had to be pretty rough, with that many people packed into downtown,” said Carson.   “There couldn’t have been enough public bathrooms.” “Almost every store and restaurant was broken open.   Needing to use the restrooms was always a good excuse to force their way in.   That, and needing food and drinking water.   And after that, everything was looted.” “And the police didn’t stop it?” “They couldn’t stop it.   How could they?” asked Doug.   “The police just stayed back on the edges and tried to herd them.   Even that didn’t work.   A mob that big makes its own rules.” “Like a human tidal wave.”

“Exactly.   A human tsunami.   So, with that mega-mob outside the arena, you can guess what kinds of radicals were being let in to fill the twenty thousand seats.   The real cream of the crop.   It was a total farce.   That’s when they started to call it the ‘kangaroo convention’ on talk radio.   That was back when we still had AM talk radio.” Carson asked, “What happened to talk radio?” “Two things.   First, a couple of years ago Congress passed the so-called ‘fairness’ laws.   That meant that every point of view on a radio station had to be balanced by another radio host or by other callers from the other side.   It got incredibly complicated.   They literally had to count how many minutes were said for this and for that on every subject.   Trying to keep up with the fairness laws made talk radio a money loser, so most

stations went to sports or music.   Then Congress passed a law against ‘hate speech on the public airwaves.’   Anybody could take a radio station to court for just about anything that they claimed was hate speech.   They’d cherry-pick a left-wing judge and jury, and it was a slam-dunk every time.   After a few million-dollar judgments, the last talk radio stations threw in the towel.   Now radio is practically all music and sports, with happy talk in between government PSAs— public service announcements.” “This must really be up your alley, if you were majoring in communications.” “Yeah, I picked a great time to choose that career path, huh?   Now all we get on television and the radio is government propaganda.”

“I’ve heard it,” said Carson.   “We could get Nashville radio at Zack’s house at night.   So, you were up to the start of the convention.” “Right.   So to start it off, the Aztlan Coalition said they wouldn’t vote for any other amendments unless they got their regional autonomy deal first.   That was the Southwestern Justice and Compensation Amendment.   That was the first amendment they voted on, and it passed on a voice vote.   Next, it was reparations for slavery.   Five hundred thousand New Dollars for every African-American man, woman and child.   Right after that, it was reparations for ‘survivors of the Native American genocide.’   Another half million for everybody with Indian blood.” “How was that paid?” asked Carson in astonishment.   “Where did the

money for all of that come from?” “Didn’t matter,” Doug replied.   “It was just instant money from the Treasury… or the Federal Reserve.   What’s the difference?   Ten trillion brand new blue bucks, right out of thin air.   The checks came in the mail, or the money was just direct-deposited straight into their bank accounts.   It was all just electronic digits, but it was real money just the same.   It was just as spendable as any other money.” “And that brought on the hyperinflation?” “Among other things, like fraud on a scale never seen before in human history.   People were collecting reparation payments right and left under false identities.   I think there were about a million double-dippers who claimed they were black and Indian… but it didn’t matter.   Congress said

that the reparations money would stimulate the economy.   It would ‘prime the pump and even the playing field’ at the same time.   It was ‘the mother of all stimulus packages.’   That was another of those clichés you heard all the time.   The convention was already way out of control by the time they passed reparations for slavery and the Indians. “Next came the Freedom from Gun Violence Amendment, and that’s when the Second Amendment was annulled.   So you see, we didn’t want any of it.   Not regular Americans.   We didn’t ever vote for it; it was all done at the con-con by mob rule.   It was a complete circus by then— the kangaroo convention.   But it didn’t matter what average Americans thought, the amendments all became law.   They became the new constitution.   When the Second Amendment was repealed, the delegates

in the arena had a mass orgasm.   We watched it all on TV.   It was surreal, like a bad dream you get after food poisoning.” Carson asked, “What did the gun amendment ban?” “Just about every legal firearm that was left.   After the Washington Stadium Massacre, the semi-auto rifles were already outlawed.   The ones they called assault weapons.” “I remember that,” said Carson.   “I was here for that one.”   “Well under the Freedom from Gun Violence Amendment, there are no more privately owned handguns, none.   Um, except for the police.   The police and the military.   And no pump or semi-auto shotguns.   Only single shot and double-barreled shotguns— and you need to get a federal license to keep one in your house.   Oh, and you have to take a federal
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Each amendment needs to be ratified by the states.  We have 33 states, they fucking lose.  However, the way these
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And all 50 states have already agreed on thousands of gun control laws. They will change the second amendment and get 100% of the states to agree on at least some restrictions. It's guaranteed.

And you are absolutely right about those damn rhinos. They will chuck us under the bus with a damn smile on thier face.
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There have been some hotly debated threads about "con con" constitutional convention or similarly referred to Article V processes to change the constitution with some blurry and vague process where we allow politicians to rewrite the constitution.

I've long argued against it because of the liberal lefts control and desire to use it to take away even more of our rights.

Well we now see Californian's going to try to use to rewrite the constitution to be able to exit the union.

Mark Levin the radio talk show host is one of the biggest advocates of this process... as are many members here.

Will this change their minds? Will this make them understand how horrible of an idea it is now?

We shall see..

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Stop with the scare tactics. Any amendment or change would have to be debated thoroughly and ratified by a super majority of states. Don't forget the shitheads in congress will have nothing to do with this process.
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The Congressional Research Office disagrees with you. Their own report basically states that since there is no clear process for the Article V that much of it will have to be made up along the way by the participants.

I know a lot of the proponents like to think it is limited.... but it isn't. Scary stuff.
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Convention of States

The process is right there.
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Umm..... that's thier opinion not a defined government process.

That's the point... every group has their own plan. But nothing is written down or set in stone who will do what....

It's a big giant clusterfuck waiting to happen.
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It would be awesome if California left the union for a while.  Democrats would never win another national election.  But it'll never happen - they just want to use the threat to get something.  But the proposal makes me support a constitutional convention even more - let them try to add a succession amendment.  If 3/4 of the states ratify a terrible amendment then we're already screwed anyway.  There is zero chance 3/4 of the states will ratify rescinding the 2A.
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Article V convention will not happen. Congress will not allow it, they will disregard the outcome.  SCOTUS will declare process "Unconstitutional" and overturn any amendments. 
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A convention of states is not a blank check to rewrite the constitution. It would end up being a line by line adoption process of the amendments purposed similar to the original method of how the constitution was written and adopted. Read a book. The 2nd will be as fine as it is now.

A mechanism for states to leave the union is one of the areas the founders left horribly lacking. It caused a war once and will do so again if nothing is done about it. If California left the union it would be a blessing. To be clear though I only support leaving on a county by county basis. If half of the geographical state wants to stay they can.
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Why don't you read a book?  That is precisely what we are afraid of, the first convention was supposed to be a line by line fixing of the Articles of Confederation, instead the Articles were dropped entirely and they started from scratch, and those were the Founders themselves.  Do you really think the modern left will follow the rules or intent?  Do you think they will pass up the chance to shred the Constitution?  The democrats are lockstep commie fucks, and the Republicans are ballless jokes and RINOs that will just give the democrats whatever they want with nothing in return in the name of "compromise."  Are these really the people you want rewriting the constitution?

By the time they are done we will no longer have equal representation, the senate will effectively be elimated and the liberal populous states will dominate and the other states will basically have no vote.  The electoral college will be gone and we will be voting over the internet with same day registration and no verification of any kind.  Abortion on demand and "alternative lifestyles" will be directly constitutionally protected and will be mandatory to be pushed in schools.  Home and private school will be illegal.  Healthcare will be nationalized and single payer, private healthcare will be illegal.  Guns will be banned completely.  Citizenship will be instantly granted, no questions asked, to anyone who wants it, even if they haven't even crossed the border yet.  Military control will be turned over to the UN.  You get the idea, we will look like Stalinist Russia by the time they are done.
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A convention of states is not a blank check to rewrite the constitution. It would end up being a line by line adoption process of the amendments purposed similar to the original method of how the constitution was written and adopted. Read a book. The 2nd will be as fine as it is now.

A mechanism for states to leave the union is one of the areas the founders left horribly lacking. It caused a war once and will do so again if nothing is done about it. If California left the union it would be a blessing. To be clear though I only support leaving on a county by county basis. If half of the geographical state wants to stay they can.
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States leaving the union is already constitutional.  Just because Lincoln started a war over it last time does nothing to change that fact.

regardless, as much as I hate socialists, preservation of the union should be paramount and the United States should not let CA leave.


EDIT: to @S_A_C 's point - agreed, our current elected officials have none of the moral character and commitment to ideals the founders had, which led to the creation and endurance of this great Republic.
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A state can leave the same way they entered.
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It would be awesome if California left the union for a while.  Democrats would never win another national election.  But it'll never happen - they just want to use the threat to get something.  But the proposal makes me support a constitutional convention even more - let them try to add a succession amendment.  If 3/4 of the states ratify a terrible amendment then we're already screwed anyway.  There is zero chance 3/4 of the states will ratify rescinding the 2A.
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What makes you say that?  They would have zero checks on their power, they could even vote themselves jobs for life, so no reelection.
What makes you think it would even be 3/4s?  A convention has no rules, they could make it a simple majority, or even no majoirity if they wanted too.

My prediction is that the high population leftist states will complain that it's "not fair" that they are outnumbered and refuse to vote on any amendment unless the rules are changed to allow them "equal" representation in some way.  I.E. California and New York run the convention.
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FUCK YES!

TEXIT NOW!!!
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 1:56:13 PM EDT
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You are mistaken. While there are a ton of opinion pieces written on it.... the Cogressional Research Office concluded that since there is no clear cut process in place then most of the process once it starts will have to made up along the way by the participants. So the whole "but they can't change (insert your personal favorite)" doesn't hold water in the argument.

You should read read up on it as well and stop being so reliant on the interwebs experts.
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Now yours just posting stupid shit .

Article 5 is plainly written and specifies "the process"
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 2:05:42 PM EDT
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I wish the PRC would hurry up and leave.  I'm getting tired of the cockteasing.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 2:26:04 PM EDT
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Why don't you read a book?  That is precisely what we are afraid of, the first convention was supposed to be a line by line fixing of the Articles of Confederation, instead the Articles were dropped entirely and they started from scratch, and those were the Founders themselves.  Do you really think the modern left will follow the rules or intent?  Do you think they will pass up the chance to shred the Constitution?  The democrats are lockstep commie fucks, and the Republicans are ballless jokes and RINOs that will just give the democrats whatever they want with nothing in return in the name of "compromise."  Are these really the people you want rewriting the constitution?

By the time they are done we will no longer have equal representation, the senate will effectively be elimated and the liberal populous states will dominate and the other states will basically have no vote.  The electoral college will be gone and we will be voting over the internet with same day registration and no verification of any kind.  Abortion on demand and "alternative lifestyles" will be directly constitutionally protected and will be mandatory to be pushed in schools.  Home and private school will be illegal.  Healthcare will be nationalized and single payer, private healthcare will be illegal.  Guns will be banned completely.  Citizenship will be instantly granted, no questions asked, to anyone who wants it, even if they haven't even crossed e border yet.  Military control will be turned over to the UN.  You get the idea, we will look like Stalinist Russia by the time they are done.
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A convention of states is not a blank check to rewrite the constitution. It would end up being a line by line adoption process of the amendments purposed similar to the original method of how the constitution was written and adopted. Read a book. The 2nd will be as fine as it is now.

A mechanism for states to leave the union is one of the areas the founders left horribly lacking. It caused a war once and will do so again if nothing is done about it. If California left the union it would be a blessing. To be clear though I only support leaving on a county by county basis. If half of the geographical state wants to stay they can.
Why don't you read a book?  That is precisely what we are afraid of, the first convention was supposed to be a line by line fixing of the Articles of Confederation, instead the Articles were dropped entirely and they started from scratch, and those were the Founders themselves.  Do you really think the modern left will follow the rules or intent?  Do you think they will pass up the chance to shred the Constitution?  The democrats are lockstep commie fucks, and the Republicans are ballless jokes and RINOs that will just give the democrats whatever they want with nothing in return in the name of "compromise."  Are these really the people you want rewriting the constitution?

By the time they are done we will no longer have equal representation, the senate will effectively be elimated and the liberal populous states will dominate and the other states will basically have no vote.  The electoral college will be gone and we will be voting over the internet with same day registration and no verification of any kind.  Abortion on demand and "alternative lifestyles" will be directly constitutionally protected and will be mandatory to be pushed in schools.  Home and private school will be illegal.  Healthcare will be nationalized and single payer, private healthcare will be illegal.  Guns will be banned completely.  Citizenship will be instantly granted, no questions asked, to anyone who wants it, even if they haven't even crossed e border yet.  Military control will be turned over to the UN.  You get the idea, we will look like Stalinist Russia by the time they are done.
2 points.

It was the Founders, as you said. So whats you're point, the Founders were a bunch of hypocrites and the USC is illegitimate? We ignore the failures of the AoC, the inter-State trade wars, the common sentiment by the same Founders that their needed to be a change.  Start a revolution, win the revolution, form a government, make treaties with other nations, but the second form of government was just a step too much?

If an Art V is hijacked and turned against us, then frankly the left has total control of the country currently. You are currently alive by their grace, because it is not expedient to remove you yet. Allowing you to live serves their political purpose.
We are all alive under their created illusion, the illusion that we, the citizens have a say in our governance.

The irony of your position. You hold the Founders as the ideal, some even raised the same concerns you did. While you're here saying no, they revolted. While you are afraid to risk your remaining liberties, safe in what little still remains; they said enough. No more to the vacillations and vagaries of the King and Parliament, and here you are, deigning yourself and your Natural Rights to the whims and desires of those that would oppress all of us.

"They who can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety". There is no need to start a shooting war, but if we do not apply ourselves to diligently and faithfully use every available legal course of action, as they did, even the ones that hold danger; then Benjamin Franklin was right, we deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 2:28:01 PM EDT
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Fucking saw that coming from a hundred miles away. Been saying that in every Art V thread for the last three years. A convention will be hijacked and used to fuck us over. One is done every 20 years in FL and it is a cluster fuck.
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Try telling the Mark Levin tards, I have.
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They will also rewrite a bunch of the other parts. And no doubt take away the 2nd Amendment before they leave. So let's not cheer that on .... mmmmkay.
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OP, try reading what it says about the "con con" in the actual Con.  

it doesn't work like that..


lol
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 2:51:51 PM EDT
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Let CA leave if they want.  Then we can invade them, seize their ports, install a puppet government and eat all their avocados while drinking fancy wine.
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Link Posted: 8/18/2017 2:57:16 PM EDT
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The Convention formed to Fix the Articles of Confederation had rules and the committee members decided to throw those out the window and came up with the Constitution instead.
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Maybe but the delegates can be recalled by their states if they go off the rails and the states have to ratify any changes.

At this point with the corruption we're seeing I say go for it.  Either we'll get some improvements that return some power to the states and hopefully term limits or it'll get worse.

It's going to get worse anyway so I'm not seeing the harm.  If they want to hit the accelerator and head for the cliff then bring it on.
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 3:01:50 PM EDT
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The Congressional Research Office disagrees with you. Their own report basically states that since there is no clear process for the Article V that much of it will have to be made up along the way by the participants.

I know a lot of the proponents like to think it is limited.... but it isn't. Scary stuff.
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The Congressional Research Office disagrees with you. Their own report basically states that since there is no clear process for the Article V that much of it will have to be made up along the way by the participants.

I know a lot of the proponents like to think it is limited.... but it isn't. Scary stuff.
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The Congressional Research Service (CRS) works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS has been a valued and respected resource on Capitol Hill for more than a century.
So an arm of the establishment says a COS is a bad idea?  That just makes me more in favor of it.

If they told me the sky was blue I'd have to look outside to check.

"They're a non-partisan office!"
Link Posted: 8/18/2017 3:05:07 PM EDT
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OP, try reading what it says about the "con con" in the actual Con.  

it doesn't work like that..


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Actually it doesn't work like anything. That's the point. It's been researched by the Congessional Research Office and they have concluded that much of it will have to be made up along the way,

So don't try to play it off as if it works in some magical unicorn way. Cause it don't.
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