California Refugees: Oregon or Washington?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - California Refugees: Oregon or Washington? (Page 1 of 3)

Posted: 12/27/2006 5:58:07 PM EDT

After 2 months on a dying market, I'm finally in escrow. So now I need to decide where to go. I have family and friends in both states, so I know I want to live right near the border between Oregon and Washington. But I know Washington has some silly gun laws, and Oregon is being liberalized. I know Washington has no income tax, and Oregon has no sales tax. So from a tax point of view, if I wanted to contribute as little as possible to both states, I'd live in Washington and buy goods in Oregon.

To California escapees, where did you go and why?

To Oregon and Washington natives, where should I go and why?

Posted: 12/27/2006 5:58:53 PM EDT

[#1]

I like the title. Refugees

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:04:56 PM EDT

[#2]

How about Hell? The one place fleeing Californians can't fuck up by moving there.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:07:55 PM EDT

[#3]

It's either Vancouver or the middle of fucking nowhere

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:21:42 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
How about Hell? The one place fleeing Californians can't fuck up by moving there.

Oh, no you di'int...

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:24:58 PM EDT

[#5]

I spent a summer in Eugene.

Oregon seems like a great state, but the hippies in Eugene REALLY pissed me off.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:26:31 PM EDT

[#6]

I think class 3 toys makes the decision for you. Oregon it is.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:26:57 PM EDT

[#7]

Unless you have a fine ass daughter it's to WA. with you

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:28:54 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
I think class 3 toys makes the decision for you. Oregon it is.

No MG's in WA, you can have suppressors, but can't use them...

Have you checked with the respective hometown forums?

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:28:54 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
How about Hell? The one place fleeing Californians can't fuck up by moving there.

That's out of the question. Hell is full of Alaskans who fled the cold.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:29:40 PM EDT

[#10]

I vote Washington. The only down side gun wise is you can own supressors

, but cant shoot through them

. No SBR's or MG's either. Other than that it's a shall issue state and there's no other limits as far I can remember.

BTW, if you think Oreagon is the only state under the liberal gun, Wa. is too. We've just managed to keep them behind cover. They tried to pass a state AWB but failed a few years ago.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:30:08 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
How about Hell? The one place fleeing Californians can't fuck up by moving there.

DING DING DING DING!!!!!WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GR

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:32:01 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
How about Hell? The one place fleeing Californians can't fuck up by moving there.

+1
no personal offense.
But you know, all the Kali refugee's say they are leaving because of X,Y, or Z and then many of them (not you I'm sure), come and f*ck up other states exactly in their image.
So, it applies to some of them for damn sure.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:38:22 PM EDT

[#13]

Yeah. Having more conservative gun owners move to your state is a bad thing.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:44:47 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Yeah. Having more conservative gun owners move to your state is a bad thing.

These knuckleheads don't know the good guys from the bad guys.

It's no wonder they voted to give the House and Senate to Democrats.

Posted: 12/27/2006 6:45:11 PM EDT

[#15]

Definitley Oregon because of Class 3 goodness!

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:01:36 PM EDT

[#16]

I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:04:16 PM EDT

[#17]

How about New York, beat those libbers with your own libbyness.

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:17:13 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
...if I wanted to contribute as little as possible to both states...

C'mon up

Love to have your free loading ass move here

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:18:23 PM EDT

[#19]

Believe it or not, upstate NY is a great place for outdoor sportsmen. Great hunting, fishing, hiking, etc. Very rural for the most part. Mostly pretty conservative, except in larger cities.

Unfortunately, due to our misfortune in sharing a state with NYC, our state's laws suck. No NFA, AWB, permit required just to own a handgun.

On the other hand, it's a damn sight better than Kali.

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:21:14 PM EDT

[#20]

I thought Californians moved only to Idaho (at least it seems that way).

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:33:10 PM EDT

[#21]

Move to a Portland suburb; Beaverton, Tigard, Sherwood, Newberg, Lake Oswego, etc.. The further you move from the city proper, the less expensive it becomes by roughly 1k/mile. My wife and I just built a house in Newberg that cost us 289k, in Portland it would have been 330k.
Income tax and property tax are high - this is how the state compensates for lack of a sales tax. Gun laws are relaxed and the Sheriff's are pro gun, signing off on the majority of Class 3 paperwork. Overall I have been happy since moving here 12 years ago from the Bay Area.

Posted: 12/27/2006 7:44:19 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

To California escapees, where did you go and why?

TX cause I thought I would be able to enjoy buying guns. Instead my ass got laid off. Can't get a job. No money to buy guns. Instead I sold my guns I bought in CA. No social life to speak of. Really do feel like a refugee.

Hope you have better luck than I did. I'll be back in CA by the end of Jan 07 to pick my life back up. Unless I get this job in Chicago that I've put in for. After 2 interviews, my head hunter says I am one of the top candidates. Waiting till after the holidays to receive word.

After my experience, my "life" in CA far outweighed what I got by moving to TX.

Posted: 12/27/2006 8:09:39 PM EDT

[#23]

Go to Oregon!

Posted: 12/27/2006 8:25:08 PM EDT

[#24]

Well if your a conservative gun owner, move to the eastside of either state and help us keep the gun fearing libtards from the coast out.

Posted: 12/27/2006 8:26:27 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Go to Oregon!

Posted: 12/27/2006 9:03:01 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Go to Oregon!

Why?

Posted: 12/27/2006 9:16:52 PM EDT

[#27]

Oregon's gun laws are really only better as far as NFA stuff is concerned. If you don't care about NFA stuff or only want to own silencers, it's a wash. It's easier to get a CCW here, no silly class requirements.

Posted: 12/27/2006 9:22:35 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Go to Oregon!

Why?

Because both of them live in WA.

Posted: 12/27/2006 9:25:10 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Go to Oregon!

Ok fellow friends of the north...play nice...I vote Washington

Actually, come on up to Oregon but for fucks sake vote

And make a difference. Help with the Scouts, local gun range, and what not... Oh and ya, we have a shit load of stinky hippys up here that make for good target practice

Posted: 12/28/2006 5:31:35 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else.
Sure, maybe not you personally, but 99.835% of them.
And they have their own little socialist things that they want to do (guns, schools, HOA's, taxes, etc or not)

Nonetheless, get on out of Kali
BTW, both those staes you mention are RULED by their liberal port cities (portland and seattle), no matter how conservative the rest of the state is, they are ruined by those big cities that are incredibly liberal.
go to Nevada.

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:21:04 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else.
Sure, maybe not you personally, but 99.835% of them.
And they have their own little socialist things that they want to do (guns, schools, HOA's, taxes, etc or not)

Nonetheless, get on out of Kali
BTW, both those staes you mention are RULED by their liberal port cities (portland and seattle), no matter how conservative the rest of the state is, they are ruined by those big cities that are incredibly liberal.
go to Nevada.

WHAT??? Oh PLEASE justify the 99.835%.. Where is that statistically written?

And we are liberal everywhere else? How does THAT work out? PLEASE enlighten me.. what is your litmus test? I'll take it.

There are 58 counties in the state of California... TWO of them are known for their liberal stances.. So the other 56 counties are to be bunched in with two moronic land masses?

Fact that if you look at the voting record of the state, (Red vs. Blue) the majority of the state falls in the "Red" catagory.

PLEASE give me some facts here to support your argument.

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:27:48 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else.
Sure, maybe not you personally, but 99.835% of them.
And they have their own little socialist things that they want to do (guns, schools, HOA's, taxes, etc or not)

Nonetheless, get on out of Kali
BTW, both those staes you mention are RULED by their liberal port cities (portland and seattle), no matter how conservative the rest of the state is, they are ruined by those big cities that are incredibly liberal.
go to Nevada.

WHAT??? Oh PLEASE justify the 99.835%.. Where is that statistically written?

And we are liberal everywhere else? How does THAT work out? PLEASE enlighten me.. what is your litmus test? I'll take it.

There are 58 counties in the state of California... TWO of them are known for their liberal stances.. So the other 56 counties are to be bunched in with two moronic land masses?

Fact that if you look at the voting record of the state, (Red vs. Blue) the majority of the state falls in the "Red" catagory.

PLEASE give me some facts here to support your argument.

Holy crap
You know what the first sign of a liberal is?
They don't have a sense of humor (that BTW is true)
and goodness knows you are proving it here.
Of course I just made it up. 99.835%, where woudl I get a number like that?
If it's not true, why does EVERY western state bitch about californian's? Not nevadan's, not arizonians', not even oregon people. But exclusively and 100% California.
Great, if it's such a conservative state, then why do you have more stupid laws and politicians than Mass?
C'mon. You obviously have an ax to grind. Go get your little HOA controlled patio home in Portland or Seattle next to the Starbucks and sit and complain about how "back in California we would never do things like this, we should change them to do it our way" and wonder why natives hate every single californian they come in contact with.
It's obviously escaping you.

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:31:21 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else...

That's the most retarded thing I ever read. You're the Yogi Berra of ARFCOM.

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:37:28 AM EDT

[#34]

WA. No income tax.

A good dose of CA gun owners could make WA a red state. WA would have a R governor and senator if it had just a few more conservatives.

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:41:19 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else...

That's the most retarded thing I ever read. You're the Yogi Berra of ARFCOM.

while I appreciate the compliment, why doesn't that make sense to you?
you think Canadian conservatives are as conservative as American Republicans? Try again, the most conservative Canadian is left of the democrats. (Most of my team is in Montreal, trust me on this).

A conservative in California is not the same as a conservative in Montana. Big difference. A liberal in Montana is a conservative in LA.
Does that fail to make sense to you?

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:41:43 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else.
Sure, maybe not you personally, but 99.835% of them.
And they have their own little socialist things that they want to do (guns, schools, HOA's, taxes, etc or not)

Nonetheless, get on out of Kali
BTW, both those staes you mention are RULED by their liberal port cities (portland and seattle), no matter how conservative the rest of the state is, they are ruined by those big cities that are incredibly liberal.
go to Nevada.

WHAT??? Oh PLEASE justify the 99.835%.. Where is that statistically written?

And we are liberal everywhere else? How does THAT work out? PLEASE enlighten me.. what is your litmus test? I'll take it.

There are 58 counties in the state of California... TWO of them are known for their liberal stances.. So the other 56 counties are to be bunched in with two moronic land masses?

Fact that if you look at the voting record of the state, (Red vs. Blue) the majority of the state falls in the "Red" catagory.

PLEASE give me some facts here to support your argument.

Holy crap
You know what the first sign of a liberal is?
They don't have a sense of humor (that BTW is true) Really? Where is that written?
and goodness knows you are proving it here. Oh man I didnt know that, then let me go right on out and vote anti-gun, pro abortion, pro-public school
Of course I just made it up.Actually THAT is the first sign of a liberal... canott prove facts so they make up the numbers 99.835%, where woudl I get a number like that?
If it's not true, why does EVERY western state bitch about californian's? EVERY state? You have proof of that? Not nevadan's, not arizonians', not even oregon people. But exclusively and 100% California.
Great, if it's such a conservative state, then why do you have more stupid laws and politicians than Mass?
C'mon. You obviously have an ax to grind. Go get your little HOA controlled patio home in Portland or Seattle next to the Starbucks and sit and complain about how "back in California we would never do things like this, we should change them to do it our way" and wonder why natives hate every single californian they come in contact with.
It's obviously escaping you.

Nothing is escaping me at all... I am asking for hard evidence. You antburners seem to like to crap on CA and I want to see the numbers that you claim is fact. And as far as a sense of humor, you are the one getting mad... I am having fun at this because there are three things a liberal will do when confronted with an argument

1. Run away calling me names
2. Say "Well we are going to have to agree to disagree"
3. Start cussing to emphasize their point.

So where are the hard facts? I want to see the litmus test YOU have that claims:

"what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else."

You made that statement. Just admit that you made up that statement and this debate will rest on that and you and I can go back to making fun of Feinstein, Boxer, Kerry et al... The real problem we have... not each other.

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:48:58 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

"what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else."

You made that statement. Just admit that you made up that statement and this debate will rest on that and you and I can go back to making fun of Feinstein, Boxer, Kerry et al... The real problem we have... not each other.

Of course I made it up
Doesn't mean it isn't true.
What californians think is conservative is not what the rest of us in conservative states think is conservative.

and what passes for a liberal here in real life land (err I mean, not in California) would be laughed out of San Fran as a flaming bush right winger.
And that's what most Californians don't realize.
What they think is normal, what is normal in their state is entirely not normal nor acceptable in many places.
Why is that so hard to get thru?

Posted: 12/28/2006 11:57:24 AM EDT

[#38]

Live in Oregon (no sales tax) work in Washington (no income tax).

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:01:45 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

"what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else."

You made that statement. Just admit that you made up that statement and this debate will rest on that and you and I can go back to making fun of Feinstein, Boxer, Kerry et al... The real problem we have... not each other.

Of course I made it up
Doesn't mean it isn't true.
What californians think is conservative is not what the rest of us in conservative states think is conservative.

and what passes for a liberal here in real life land (err I mean, not in California) would be laughed out of San Fran as a flaming bush right winger.
And that's what most Californians don't realize.
What they think is normal, what is normal in their state is entirely not normal nor acceptable in many places.
Why is that so hard to get thru?

OK NOW I need to know, WHAT as an example do you mean:

What californians think is conservative is not what the rest of us in conservative states think is conservative.

Now if you were to say:

What Liberal San Franciscans think is conservative is not what the rest of us in conservative states think is conservative.

Heck, There you would hear NO COMPLAINT OR ARGUMENT from me.

What I am getting to is that if you and I were to engage in a political debate on our views, I would bet ALL my money that it would be THE MOST boring conversation around.

Bozman: "Hey Frige... I believe.... Yada yada yada"
Frige: "Yeah, me too"
Frige: "Hey Bozman... I believe.... Yada yada yada"
Bozman: "Yeah, me too"

What I am saying is that you and I believe the EXACT same thing.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that I am probably even more conservative than you?

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:06:56 PM EDT

[#40]

I've lived in CA and WA. I'm in Idaho for a good reason.

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:11:18 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
I've lived in CA and WA. I'm in Idaho for a good reason.

To covert those nice Idahoans to liberals??

JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING!!!!!!

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:30:38 PM EDT

[#42]

We need to build a fence.

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:33:28 PM EDT

[#43]

I can't believe how much the word "California" stirs people up. Because I'm from California, I'm automatically an illegal alien-loving, socialist-wanting, welfare-sucking tax dodger who wants all guns destroyed, and I want to do the same to YOUR state.

"Go to the state I'm not in, I don't want you!" Yeah, I don't want YOU in my thread.

Frige, I try not to argue with kids because even if you're right, you're wrong. But thanks for trying.

So, back to the homeowning adults in this thread, any other opinions? Several suggestions of Idaho, but I'm afraid the choices are between Oregon and Washington. Idaho is too far from my family.

What decisions should I base my move on besides gun laws and taxes?

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:35:44 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

...What decisions should I base my move on besides gun laws and taxes?

Availability of work, housing costs, schools (if you have kids). Everything.

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:36:30 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
What decisions should I base my move on besides gun laws and taxes?

Oregon is like that weird uncle you see once a year who likes to have you sit on his lap.

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:38:51 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Look, I appreciate your gunness
but what you don't realize is even though you are conservative for California, you are a liberal everywhere else...

That's the most retarded thing I ever read. You're the Yogi Berra of ARFCOM.

while I appreciate the compliment, why doesn't that make sense to you?
you think Canadian conservatives are as conservative as American Republicans? Try again, the most conservative Canadian is left of the democrats. (Most of my team is in Montreal, trust me on this).

You kidding ?

I should introduce you to a few Alberta good ol' boys, and some Evangelicals from Fraser Valley B.C.

Geeez, I'm starting to see the guy from California's point. Besides, Boulder aint exactly a pinnacle of conservative thought either. That makes you by default more left wing than the guy from Montana, right ?

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:41:50 PM EDT

[#47]

There was a time, when gunowners in other states welcomed conservative gun owning Californians with open arms.

This is getting ridiculous.

A conservative Californian is actually a liberal anywhere else?

Now, I've heard it all.

I will tell you right here and now, that the average Amador County resident is ALOT more freedom loving and conservative than a your average Denver resident, and that's a fact.

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:47:19 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
I've lived in CA and WA. I'm in Idaho for a good reason.

Go back to Kali you richer!

Posted: 12/28/2006 12:54:37 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
I'm on the AR15.com forum asking about LEAVING California because I'm an anti-gun libtard interested in Californiaizing your state.

Read between the lines, people.

Thanks to the helpful, non-California-bashers. Keep the opinions coming please!

Yeh you damn libtard get the hell out of the Caliban and take a few of your libtard friends with you to either hippyland or treeHuggerVille

I pick hippyland(Oregon) since it's closer to the Caliban and all the cute hippy girls don't wear cloths

Posted: 12/28/2006 1:01:56 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
What californians think is conservative is not what the rest of us in conservative states think is conservative.

and what passes for a liberal here in real life land (err I mean, not in California) would be laughed out of San Fran as a flaming bush right winger.
And that's what most Californians don't realize.
What they think is normal, what is normal in their state is entirely not normal nor acceptable in many places.
Why is that so hard to get thru?

Sorry, that's not getting through my thick head, because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I'm a Reagan Republican, pro-gun, anti-big government, pro tax cuts, anti welfare state, anti affirmative action, anti abortion, pro self determination, anti government schools, pro self reliance, anti illegal immigration, pro military, strong on defense, pro capital punishment, pro property rights, pro states rights, pro public executions for condemned criminals, anti ACLU, I think child molesters should be executed, I think global warming is a hoax, ... anything else?

Almost forgot, I voted for Tom McClintock, and I think the best choice for President is Duncan Hunter, a true conservative.

To argue that California conservative values aren't the same as conservative values elsewhere is just stupid.

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