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Posted: 12/16/2016 2:36:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 2:59:31 PM EST by Paul]
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:37:51 PM EST
Holy shit...did they discover the .458 SOCOM loophole???
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:39:39 PM EST
California is awesome ... sounds to me like that large conservative base has been preserving freedom again.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:41:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 2:41:42 PM EST by Wiz-of-Awd]
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Originally Posted By hunterkiller4u:
Holy shit...
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Well, they hadn't yet.
Thanks.

A.W.D.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:42:06 PM EST
Cali guys can contact me directly for a fair price on your contraband.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:43:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:43:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 2:44:14 PM EST by ma96782]
DOJ, besides being corrupt. They don't know shit.

I'm guessing it's FAKE NEWS.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:44:05 PM EST
I will hold any magazines for any Cali resident if needed, I would suggest moving.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:45:35 PM EST
Magazine capacity is not an emergency..... that kind of thinking however.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:46:19 PM EST
How hard is it to get an FFL? How long would that take? Is it even allowed/realistic in Cali?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:46:24 PM EST
Trump will fix it...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:48:15 PM EST
Fuck California, tell them to take this shit and shove it up their ass,

Better yet, tell them to bend over and you will shove a few large cap magazine up their ass!

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:50:04 PM EST
Sounds like jaywalking or making it illegal for the wife to give ya a blow job.. ignore it. With national CCW needs regs on mag capacity and ammo. fucking cali,ny, and nj gun control freaks would be pretty glorious.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:51:15 PM EST
a person who legally possesses a large-capacity magazine shall dispose of that magazine by any of the following means prior to July 1, 2017:
(1) remove the large-capacity magazine from the state;
(2) sell the large-capacity magazine to a licensed firearms dealer;
(3) destroy the large-capacity magazine; or
(4) surrender the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency for destruction.
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I'm sure all the criminals out there will get right on it to make sure they're in compliance with the law.

Oh, wait...



Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:51:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DaveP1:
Fuck California, tell them to take this shit and shove it up their ass,

Better yet, tell them to bend over and you will shove a few large cap magazine up their ass!

<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Dude you just opened the door for Paul and other cali members to deliver the infamous california 2A chess not checkers argument...

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:51:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 3:44:20 PM EST by warmandfuzzy]
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Originally Posted By xxprince:
I will hold any magazines for any Cali resident if needed, I would suggest moving.
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Generous of you. Btw
IJR.com just posted an article yesterday. "It should come as no great surprise that Hillary Clinton significantly outperformed President-elect Donald Trump in Democrat strongholds like California and New York — in some cases by millions of votes.

While the results of the election almost certainly ran a current of heartbreak through these left-leaning states, it seems the top-ten states which Hillary carried by the widest margins all have something else in common: people are clamoring to move out of them.

Here is an amazing statistic. Of the 10 blue states that Hillary Clinton won by the largest percentage margins — California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Connecticut — every single one of them lost domestic migration (excluding immigration) over the last 10 years (2004-14). Nearly 2.75 million more Americans left California and New York than entered these states."
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:51:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By Paul:
<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_rolleyes.gif border=0 align=middle> - I don't think this is fake news.

The Department of Justice (Department or DOJ) finds that an emergency exists, and that the
immediate adoption of sections within Chapter 39, of Division 5, of Title 11 is necessary to
avoid serious harm to the public peace, health, safety, or general welfare.
Specific Facts Demonstrating the Need for Immediate Action
Proposition 63, a measure banning the possession of large-capacity magazines, was approved by
the voters on November 8, 2016 and took effect November 9, 2016. In anticipation of its
passages, the Legislature pre-amended Proposition 63 with the passage of Senate Bill 1446
(Chapter 48, Statutes of 2016). The clarifying amendments take effect on January 1, 2017.
Pursuant to Proposition 63, as amended, beginning July 1, 2017, it will be an infraction
punishable by a fine for a person to possess any large-capacity magazine, regardless of the date
the magazine was acquired. (Penal Code, § 32310, subdivision (b).) The new law requires a
person in lawful possession of a large-capacity magazine prior to July 1, 2017 to dispose of the
magazine. Some persons are exempt from the ban, including active and retired law enforcement,
armored car entities, and licensed gun dealers. (Penal Code, §§ 32400, 32405, 32406, 32410,
32430, 32435, 32450.) Starting July 1, 2017, anyone who violates the ban is subject to a year in
jail, and a $100 fine for a first offence, $250 fine for a second offense, and a $500 fine for a third
offense. (Penal Code § 32310, subdivision (b).)

These emergency regulations are necessary for the implementation and on-going enforcement of
the ban on large-capacity magazines. The proposed regulations provide guidance to California
residents on how to comply with the ban. These regulations need to be established as soon as
possible so the Department has time to notify gun owners and gun owners have time to make the
necessary changes to comply with the ban.

There are likely hundreds of thousands of large-capacity magazines in California at this time. In
recent years, there has been an increase in these types of firearms on the market. The
Department therefore expects many gun owners to be affected by the new ban. Under the new
law, gun owners have six months to dispose of or permanently alter their large-capacity
magazines. Pursuant to Penal Code section 32310, subdivision (c), a person who legally
possesses a large-capacity magazine shall dispose of that magazine by any of the following
means prior to July 1, 2017: (1) remove the large-capacity magazine from the state; (2) sell the
large-capacity magazine to a licensed firearms dealer; (3) destroy the large-capacity magazine; or
(4) surrender the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency for destruction.

Alternatively, gun owners may permanently alter large-capacity magazines by reducing their
ammunition capacity so that it no longer meets the definition of a “large-capacity magazine.”
Penal Code section 16740 defines “large-capacity magazine” to mean any ammunition feeding
device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a
feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10
rounds. If a gun owner chooses to permanently reduce the capacity of their large-capacity
magazines, these emergency regulations provide guidance for doing so with what the
Department has determined to be the acceptable minimum level of permanence.

By providing this information to the public in a timely manner, through the emergency process,
the Department will avert serious harm to public peace, health, safety, or general welfare.
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What complete and utter bull shit.
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I've been telling you guys to get out for years. 

Your taxes are paying for the chains they want to use to enslave you.   If California gun owners move to Colorado, you'll have 3 times the size of house for the money, you can help us tip the tide back to red, you'll have a political voice,  and you'll still have enough money left over to vacation in the land of fruits and nuts whenever you want.   (Disarmed, like a plebe, of course while you are there). 

So c'mon over.   We have 300 days of sun a year and skiing! 

In seriousness, though, it should have been apparent some time ago that Calguns could not play "lets thread the needle through an ever decreasing loophole" forever.   This sucks, but given how lopsided your state is politically, its time to move.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:52:33 PM EST
Ive had a few calls from folks in ca the last couple of weeks. I feel bad for the people who are targeted by the leftwing nuts that run the place. I tried to figure out a way to register a couple of lowers for my 2 sons but they arent old enough. One guy has been collecting magazines for years, like 400 USGI non marked that are now worthless in CA and he wont sell them at a loss so Im guessing he has high hopes for trump fixing the courts and getting us a good court case.

I went to a NRA meeting in central ca about the lead ban, the chico state wingnuts got caught out right lying but the state just went ahead and a made a law anyhow. I am so happy now that I have moved, I was born there, stationed there and had to finally leave. The bad thing is it will always come to other states when democrats are voted in. The carson city sheriffs office used to sign my form4 applications the same day but it wont be long before they elect a wingnut like Lion CO did. He would make people wait 6 months for a sign off.

Here in NM I see we are going through a CCW law change, I made the calls and emailed my thoughts but I have a feeling the state will do something to make the law less like AZ. NV and NM are pretty close as far as I can tell when it comes to firearms laws.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:53:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xxprince:
I will hold any magazines for any Cali resident if needed, I would suggest moving.
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In all seriousness, how have Arfcom members NOT put together some kind of reciprocal storage program for folks behind enemy lines? No joke, I'd help someone out by storing their shit.

Obv. would need to hold people accountable somehow, but I think the willingness to help is there.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:55:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Smashy:


I'm sure all the criminals out there will get right on it to make sure they're in compliance with the law.

Oh, wait...
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You can be sure when confiscation time rolls around they won't heading into gang or narco territory to retrieve contraband...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:56:08 PM EST
I have read the new regs, AND I have read arfcom's COC's.


I'm SOOOOO CONFLICTED! 

FCADOJ
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:56:33 PM EST
Why would retired Leo's be exempt?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:57:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By grn_zx6r:
Why would retired Leo's be exempt?
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because the people who write the laws know they need to protect certain classes lest they lose their support
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:57:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 3:01:35 PM EST by burkeva]
Crazy! Wonder what the compliance rate will be or if most folks who can't leave will just neuter them to 10 rounds.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:59:32 PM EST

I'm missing something.  Isn't this exactly what was already happening?  High caps had to be removed or permanently altered.  What changed?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:00:33 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:01:28 PM EST
So I guess Everyone that has a AR/AK etc. should expect a knock on the door?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:03:13 PM EST
SAFE was passed under "emergency" provisions. The courts ruled that an emergency is whatever the state says it is.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:04:49 PM EST
Those are NOT 30 round mags...those are 10 round .458 socom mags...

Hell a 30 round mag really only holds about 7-8 rounds of 6.8 spc until the feed lips break or the entire frame splits.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:06:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By grn_zx6r:
Why would retired Leo's be exempt?
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:06:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MacManus:


In all seriousness, how have Arfcom members NOT put together some kind of reciprocal storage program for folks behind enemy lines? No joke, I'd help someone out by storing their shit.

Obv. would need to hold people accountable somehow, but I think the willingness to help is there.
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I'm willing.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:07:00 PM EST
...but you can surf and ski on the same day
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:08:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By operatorerror:

I'm missing something.  Isn't this exactly what was already happening?  High caps had to be removed or permanently altered.  What changed?
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It was legal to own and use high caps so long as they were owned before the ban. This new law bans ownership regardless of when the magazine's were purchased/owned. Anything over 10 is illegal after July 17... Period.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:08:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 3:11:00 PM EST by Palm]
I believe the retired LEO clause would open up a 14 amendment challenge.

The challenge would be equal application of the law.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:09:19 PM EST
I wonder how many Californios will become dangerous criminals in six months???
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:09:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Smashy:


I'm sure all the criminals out there will get right on it to make sure they're in compliance with the law.

Oh, wait...
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The criminals are the ones who wrote the law...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:09:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Is that a for real law?
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Yes, it is very much real, as are other fun and interesting ones.

A.W.D.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:09:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By operatorerror:

I'm missing something.  Isn't this exactly what was already happening?  High caps had to be removed or permanently altered.  What changed?
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Yup - this was the legislation that was signed a few months back....it's just that now they are coming out with the actual policies and instructions...

For instance, if you want to keep your standard cap mags and neuter them into low cap mags, to be in compliance you have to epoxy your follower to the mag and then rivet it shut. 
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:10:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MacManus:


In all seriousness, how have Arfcom members NOT put together some kind of reciprocal storage program for folks behind enemy lines? No joke, I'd help someone out by storing their shit.

Obv. would need to hold people accountable somehow, but I think the willingness to help is there.
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I also have offered several times over the last few months.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:10:44 PM EST
I'd say it's time to GTFO. I can understand someone who's close to retirement not wanting to quit and move but that's about it.

It's pretty obvious now that Cali is going full moonbat. Instead of being a persecuted minority I'd be looking for somewhere to live that is more amenable to my life.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:10:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights:
SAFE was passed under "emergency" provisions. The courts ruled that an emergency is whatever the state says it is.
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Our "Emergency Provision" creates a state law that cannot be overturned by citizen initiative.
A fucking piece of legislative bullshit used to fuck the people.
When the Cascadia Subduction Zone lets go, I hope our legislature is in session and they are all bug smashed.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:12:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
I wonder how many Californios will become dangerous criminals in six months???
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A guess .........Thousands
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:12:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hatidua:
...but you can surf and ski on the same day <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
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We used to do that when I was stationed in Hawaii!

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:12:18 PM EST
Are they going to ban gun magazines like Guns & Ammo and American Rifleman?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:13:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By propguy:

A guess .........Thousands <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
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We are a big state...more like millions...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:15:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:16:09 PM EST
I will modify my M1A magazines with an internal stop that will be fixed with pop rivets filled with epoxy and the bases of the magazines will get a pop rivet and glue. This is legal at this point. What is sad is that 10 of my 13 mags are Vietnam era and I will be fouling them up.

Do I expect to die in my home state of California where one side of my family has been here since 1863! fuck no. I will be out when I can. I would be gone tomorrow if my wife wasn't very ill and needing to be around family
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:17:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xxprince:
I will hold any magazines for any Cali resident if needed, I would suggest moving.
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I make the same offer.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:17:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sao:


It was legal to own and use high caps so long as they were owned before the ban. This new law bans ownership regardless of when the magazine's were purchased/owned. Anything over 10 is illegal after July 17... Period.
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Nope.  The November vote eliminated the grandfathered mags of which I have many.  What is changed in this "emergency" notice?
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