User Panel
Posted: 2/3/2006 12:50:35 PM EDT
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ar15notice.pdf
The California DOJ has, or will try to create a new category of assault weapon to stifle Californians who have purchased legal, stripped lowers and turned them into 10 round fixed magazine rifles. We did this and waited for the DOJ to update it's SB23 banned rifle list, which contains a list of the more popular assault weapons, as listed on the Federal ban. We waited, hoping the DOJ would update the list to add the unlisted lowers we brought into the state because once registered as category 2 assault weapons (declared by name), we could add any EBR features we want. Finally they give an update, after DOJ actors were quoted saying "Action will be taken in 2 weeks" for 3 months. Aside from several incorrect dates given in this notice (Kasler registration date, Harrot date), the DOJ enforces the law and clearly cannot create new law. Bogus. |
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Hmm...just like the ATF writes new law all the time. And gets away with it.
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BOHICA. You guys should be used to it. In fact you must damn well enjoy it.
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"the Attorney General has the authority to determine that certain semiautomatic firearms are assault weapons by simply identifying them as such"
Nice... Real nice... |
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i'm afraid that this will happen in NY too if spitzer becomes governor
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They're taking a queue from the ATF, which has carte blanche to do whatever it wants (eg. interpret the law). The CA DOJ has the courts in its corner, & no one will stop them because the CA gov't holds all the power cards. |
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If nobody stands up to it, this will convince alot of people to move. I just found out my house is worth far more than I thought. I may just grab my money and move out myself. Got to wait and see what happens, because this is just a memo after all. Nothing's been done yet, but given the months of time the DOJ has been working on this (since November 2005 at least), they've clearly put alot of thought into this nonsense and are likely to move forward without changing any details.
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It may be bogus, but some useless thugs with badges will take you in. You will be lucky if that's all that happens: if there's 5 of them to one of you, they will beat you half to death to show their power; if it's fewer than 5, they or he will shoot you while you are on the ground.
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Because most of California WANTS this to go on! |
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No.
Legislatures pass laws, this is a regulation to enforce the law. Remember Days of Thunder.
This ain't a law, its a regulation. Enjoy your perfect weather. |
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Memo?!! You, sir, are in denial!! This is a Declaration of Intent!!!
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The following is not in response to you Uber....Well, if the courts have said they have the authority to classify weapons, I guess they have the authority to until/if ever it is overturned. Yes, I agree it sucks, violates the 2nd, and is overtly unconstitutional, but like I said untill it is challenged and overturned, bad policy like this will be implemented by agencies, not the people/legislature. The following is in response to you Uber....I know the feeling, out house was worth more than I thought. We got out on one of the life rafts, the breaches in the hull of California are just too large to fix. The ship is sinking, and will eventually be completely under. Besides, with all the comifornians moving out of state, to great places like Colorado, politics here are starting to shift a bit leftward. For example, a measure passed by two votes, on a movement to ban smoking in all bars and restaurants, just like they did in the PROC. We need more "good" Californians moving here to counteract the fools. |
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It looks to me like the AW law in California gives the AG the authority to determine what is an assault weapon. From the letter: "The Department has the statutory authority to identify Aseries@ assault weapons".
Don't get me wrong, I hate AW bans, but the above quote leads me to believe that the AG has this authority. |
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That is correct. He has the ability to identify AR/AK series assault weapons and ban them. |
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Fuck 'em. They can pass any law they want. And the citizens can obey whatever laws they want!!
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Yup. NY's AW ban already has the language in it to eliminate. It has a banned weapon list but also refers to "copies thereof". The list of models and "copies thereof" section is NOT dependent on the section that lists evil features, so a "copy thereof" in NY does not have to have more than 1 feature to constitute an assault weapon. All that Spitzer has to do is issue an opinion that "copies thereof"= your post ban compliant AR or your SAR-1,and they become de facto illegal until someone wins a court case. Only confusion and ignorance on this point by lawmakers,LEOs and NY gungrabbers has kept post bans legal in NY from what I can see. I think this CA trend of "patching loopholes" in AW bans will become quite popular at the state level as the general public wonders why they still see black rifles around though they were supposedly banned. The idea that one 30rd magazine semiautomatic is legal and one is not won't make any more sense to gungrabbers than it does to us. |
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For once, can't they just call them what they are -- semi-automatic rifles? They really need to get over their hang up on "assault weapons". All the good conservatives are moving out of California and are being replaced by illegal border crossers and nut jobs.
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No, they're waiting on the "semi auto" designation. First, call anything other than a traditional rifle an "assault" rifle; the next step will be "military" which will be fun in itself; then "semi-auto" (whcih they cleverly will call automatics, which will work because it already is the vernacular; then self-loader, the proper term; then will come the repeaters - obviously just as bad as a self loader (finally waking up the Fudds, too late). It's a progression, already thought out even more thoroughly and in more detail than I have. By the way, when they use the military designation, I wonder if that will apply to all former military calibers. |
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LOL, |
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Does the California legislature have the right to delegate its powers (which were given to it by the people of california) to others?
Did the people of california elect the Attorney General to legislate? If this was the Federal government, the answer would be no and no. Separation of powers doctrine and all that. |
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Well, Mr. Lockyear, we'll see you in court.
It's a matter of time and nothing more before their legal theory is challenged in court. Their theory is that the features are already banned and may not be added. The opposing theory is that as soon as a weapon becomes an "assault weapon", you can add features because it's already an assault weapon. No matter the legislature's "intent", what matters is the actual law and a DOJ gone rampantly beyond their authority. This will only be resolved in court. I wonder which poor schmuck will be the test case????????????? |
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well considering that hardly any of the assault weapons were registered and only a couple people have got nailed for simply owning one, i doubt that a poor schmuck will ever get arrested for simply owning a assault weapon. |
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I foresee a bunch of stripped lowers appearing on EE in the near future.
What, you thought you were going to get a fair shake from the government and they'd let you keep your guns? You guys crack me up. The right to bear arms does not exist in California. Read the AG's words:
The right to bear arms does not exist in California. You own guns only with the government's permission. |
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It seems some of you guys are a bit behind the times. Since this all went down a few years back the AG has always reserved the right to add guns to the list. Here is the real issue at hand:
You buy your stripped lower. AG/DoJ lists it as an AW. You have 90 days to register your "assault weapon". BUT, under the features law SB23 you still can't add a pistol grip, etc because you would be creating a banned AW under SB23. So, what they are actually saying is that they will let you buy your stripped receivers, legally register them, but if you actually build the gun they'll get you under SB23! Damn that's confusing. I hope it makes sense. |
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I wouldn't laugh too hard. Things that happen in California shouldn't be happening in OUR COUNTRY. If this is ok for Ca, it may be coming to a state near you. |
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Someone clear this up for me: Why would anyone want a fixed magazine AR that you have to hinge open to load?
They're not waiting for shit here! The newest bucket of bile from the assembly designates PUMP ACTION rifles with detachable mags as AWs if they have evil features! |
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Actually NO I do not enjoy it but some of us that want to leave CANT. I cannot for reasons I dont want to get into on a public forum. I am trying my hardest to fight by voting and donating my money and time to whatever cause i can get involved in. I am fighting the good fight here. Unfortunately this state IS going down the tubes and the liberals are at the helm. If I had my choice i would have been out of here a year ago. |
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But as of now FAB-10 type lowers with fixed magazines are not "assault weapons" and do not need to be registered. So why do the new lowers have to be registered as assault rifles if they must be assembled with a fixed magazine? They are declaring it to legally be an assault rifle then saying it cannot be made into an assault rifle... |
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I see you get it. If ANYONE is taken to court over this I hereby pledge to send money to their defense fund. This is wrong but it will take a court visit to put the proper smack-down on the AG. |
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I'm not getting into this. Alot of you out of staters can be real assholes.
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All I got to say is good luck you CA guys. Keep pushing and *eventually* you will win one. Has the NRA or GOA said anything about this? Grassroots campaign?
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Yes, like Redcap fucking out of state assholes they are next, lets see how the little asswipes piss themselves when the government comes for them |
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I wonder what the Kalifornian government will say to me when they need a skilled tradesman to come prop up their shit-hole-run-over-by-illegals after all the good, decent people are gone? How could they possibly people are going to fill the voids created by the flight of people from SoCal? You guys should see the Seattle area-the place is getting seriously overpopulated, and it's transplanted Californians that are responsible for it.
Dave |
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Is that the faint strains of the Horst Wessel song I hear in the background...???
Fucking assholes. What a load it must be to live in that messed up state now. I remember when it was a great place to live...now??? |
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+1 |
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You see guys, that's part of the problem. To win a battle, you can't worry about getting ones feelings hurt but fight. Standup on any podium you can and voice your opinion. The squeeky wheel does get oiled. Look at the liberal movements in your state especially the more contraversial ones. They got there by taking the offensive. Think about it a minute? I read this thread and the impression I get is half of the CA gun owners hate this while a good percentage will just keep quiet about it and THIS IS AN INTERNET SITE CALLED AR15. Tj |
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That, unfortunately for you is a valid point - that you haven't the absolute free choice. I'm fortunate in that I do. I'm retired. My wife was enamored with CA, and wanted to move there. I fought it tooth and nail, not just guns.. We aren't there. SOme guys have to understand - the younger ones won't - that one can be trapped by a job, particularly in the current environment. Can one give up a job where one has worked 17 years, at a decent wage, and move to Floriduh for crap wages? See, I'll pick on the state where I live, though I wouldn't live here if I had to work. People can also be held someplace by family responsibilities. Bottom line is that not everyone in CA is a jerk, though the majority clearly are. That must hurt all the more for people who are decent and of the type that made CA a great place years ago (maybe that's how a lot of decent people got stuck there - they got started when it was good, then got trapped when the hippies took over). My thory on groups, assholes, and my own bigotry. I've finally come to this conclusion and realize that it may take some of the slower of us (such as muself) 50 years to realize it. (I turned 59 on the 1st.) In every group there will be a large number of decent people and a small group of assholes (using as a term to collect a variety of negatives). If the asshole group is large enough, though not a majority or even approaching 25%-30% (10% can work as a number), I will regard the whole group as a negative. I am sorry for the decent people affected, but if they are awake, they should know what I mean; if not, they are facilitators and fall into my negative view. If such people make someplace bad to live, I will , again, regard them all as assholes. It is not worth the little time I have left to try to sort them out. Even if I were young again, I wouldn't put up with them, because why should my life be made a mess because of them - again, a small number can do it. I simply avoid them. This is for states, as well as ethnic groups. In New York City, where I grew up, there is a street in the Borough of the Bronx which is called "Grand Concourse." I remember when it was called that for a reason. It is now a drug mess. A percentage of an ethnic group moved in and made it (and most of the Bronx) a mess. Was that the majority of that group? I think not. Did , however, that sub-set's actions ruin it? Absolutely yes, unless one wants to charge that the NYC Dept. of Sanitation delivered and dumped garbage from the other boroughs there. Solution for me? Avoid, and run when I see that type because I know what follows. Am I going to get on a podium with swastikas and scream? No, that's stupid. I will simply avoid. |
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When I met Wayne LaPierre I asked him up front "Why isnt the NRA doing anything to help us here in CA?" He said "Oh we have something big in the works on the legislative level and its gonna be real big" Yeah... right Wayne... that was 2 years ago and I havent seen SHIT! |
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Washington is closer. |
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I enjoy CCW, my 100Rnd Beta Mag and my 33Rnd Glock 18 mags. Do you enjoy your race riots and local firearms bans? |
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California, the only state in the union where you can take it in the rear in regards to insurance, home prices, gun laws and in your personal life as well.
I am glad I left. Max |
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What gets me is most of you guys could move to a "free" state and earn HALF of the wage you make in Commie land, and still enjoy a higher standard of living because taxes are lower and the liberal fucktard housing bubble won't be problem.
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But then again I love how some feel it is easy to just get up and move... some of us just cant... we CANT. I would have moved out of here a year ago if I could... had the chance but due to circumstances we are unable. |
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