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Posted: 9/29/2005 5:53:59 PM EDT
I just read this in Gun Tests


Since reconvening in late august, the california legislature is still considering several anti-gun measures.


AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semi-automatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with an array of microscopic characters which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol by imprinting the characters on each cartridge case when the firearm is discharged.


Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:55:56 PM EDT
If this passes I see a new market in used brass.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:56:35 PM EDT
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:59:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Eli75:
I just read this in Gun Tests


Since reconvening in late august, the california legislature is still considering several anti-gun measures.


AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semi-automatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with an array of microscopic characters which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol by imprinting the characters on each cartridge case when the firearm is discharged.





Hmmm. I might indeed be trying to get people upset here, but I don't see a better alternative other then whining like many people do. Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness? Waiting til you have only got your airsoft commando gear?
This legislation is gonna keep getting worse.

-Ben
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:01:40 PM EDT
I'm sure it will help the crime problem. Idiots.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:03:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness?

-Ben



There's nothing they can do, as long as the 2nd ammendment is not seen as an incorporated right, protected at the individual level. They will keep getting worse and worse laws, as politicans make gun control a pet issue that resonates with the majority of approving voters.

CA gun owners are completely overwhelmed, and thus can't do much.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:06:58 PM EDT
so... cruel!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:09:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:10:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.



Your kidding, right?

-Ben
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:12:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.



Your kidding, right?

-Ben


Yes he is. For one, if I were to have swore at my teachers I'd have been expelled. Furthermore there are some classes of firearms that are kosher to own.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:23:12 PM EDT
Im glad I escaped that fuck-hole.

Do they HONESTLY think that this shit will STOP crime...
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:27:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlairHous:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.



Your kidding, right?

-Ben


Yes he is. For one, if I were to have swore at my teachers I'd have been expelled. Furthermore there are some classes of firearms that are kosher to own.



I've heard about that. The kids get a ration of swear words for each day. What...can they say 'fuck' 5 times a day or something?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:42:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.



This is like arguing whos gulag is worse - both's gunlaws suck.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:43:52 PM EDT
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but this proposed law is dead. It was pulled by the bill author due to lack of support.

Old news.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:46:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pthfndr:
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but this proposed law is dead. It was pulled by the bill author due to lack of support.

Old news.



Oh man that is so true.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:46:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Backstop:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.



Your kidding, right?

-Ben


Yes he is. For one, if I were to have swore at my teachers I'd have been expelled. Furthermore there are some classes of firearms that are kosher to own.



I've heard about that. The kids get a ration of swear words for each day. What...can they say 'fuck' 5 times a day or something?



Certianly not when I was at school. Then again, I'm Scottish. (we have a slightly different education system to the English) Untill recently "the belt" was employed in Scottish schools (SMACK!)
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:47:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness?

-Ben



There's nothing they can do, as long as the 2nd ammendment is not seen as an incorporated right, protected at the individual level. They will keep getting worse and worse laws, as politicans make gun control a pet issue that resonates with the majority of approving voters.

CA gun owners are completely overwhelmed, and thus can't do much.



Somebody want to lend us a couple of fairly large nukes, 3 ought to fix what's wrong with California.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:53:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pthfndr:
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but this proposed law is dead. It was pulled by the bill author due to lack of support.

Old news.



Old news until it is re-introduced every year over and over again until it passes. Remember, they only have to win once, we have to win every time.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:54:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:55:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
Im glad I escaped that fuck-hole.

Do they HONESTLY think that this shit will STOP crime...



Of course not. It isn't really even about guns per se though everyone seems convinced of it around here. Thusly the question should be:

Why do they want so badly to disarm law abiding Americans?


I keep asking that but no one even seems to notice.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:56:53 PM EDT
Well, at least I didn't miss yet another opportunity to say:

CALIFORNIA SUCKS
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:58:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Well, at least I didn't miss yet another opportunity to say:

PARTS OF CALIFORNIA SUCK




Fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:11:18 PM EDT
How does the marking make the gun safer? kinda like saying surveillance cameras are for your safety - how is that? will they intervene with a criminal and stop him?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:17:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
How does the marking make the gun safer? kinda like saying surveillance cameras are for your safety - how is that? will they intervene with a criminal and stop him?



Okay[sigh], I'll say it again:

Of course not. It isn't really even about guns per se though everyone seems convinced of it around here. Thusly the question should be:

Why do they want so badly to disarm law abiding Americans?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:20:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:23:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pthfndr:
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but this proposed law is dead. It was pulled by the bill author due to lack of support.

Old news.



What about the bullet, brass, and box serialization bill (I think it was AB357)? That didn't seem to go anywhere for a while and I haven't checked myself. This was the "backup" to the bill that was mentioned. If the gun isn't going to leave a serial number on the bullet and brass, then we'll just serialize the ammo!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:44:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Why do they want so badly to disarm law abiding Americans?





I've said it 100 times before ... are you new here?



Why, yes I am. You know I was born just yesterday.




Removing firearms .... will allow the central federal government to seize unlimited power. For a people without the means to protect themselves both from the government and from each other will have to seek protection from those with the means. Unarmed people are always the victims. It’s has happened time and time in this world where a powerful government has killed off some portion of it’s unarmed population. Rather than a power that is derived from the consent of the governed we will have to trust that the absolute power given to the government’s Administrative branch will not corrupt absolutely.

Paul





Precisely. Now that is the salient portion, as you also recognized by boldfacing it, so I have deleted the remainder of your paper. Excellent.

It is about power and control.
There is no way to exert full control over a free, note gunowning, society. It has nothing to do with crime, it has nothing to do with safety. Afterall, who really believes those in power give a tinker's damn about our safety?

It is about cramming their socialist, neofascist, baby killing, faggot agenda right up our ass.
Now some say that it will all be incremental, blah, blah, blah. And it may. But plenty of them have become quite impatient. They have been able to stack the courts to do their evil for years even if, and when, they lost political power, which they have. Still it is not enough, fast enough. Hence the need to disarm us.

The bottom line is that it is ESSENTIAL that we recognize their effort for what it is, an attempt at enslavement. It will not be the enslavement of bonds and chains, whips, enforced labor. It would be the slavery of control by more subtle means which the People will fail to have the ability to repulse. It would be innocuous and most of the Sheep will not even recognize it is happening, just as they fail to do so now.

The socialists will stop at nothing to promote their agenda of hate. Hatred for conservatism, God, life. They have and will continue to attempt to infiltrate every aspect of our lives and there is only one thing stopping them.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:49:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Backstop:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By Beefypeanut:

Originally Posted By BlairHous:
California is full of BS. Almost as much BS as the UK.

I'd be particularly wary of the word "unsafe" being used in legal circles, as "unsafe" normally means something that is dangerously prone to deadly malfunction, and inherantly not a safe thing to be around.



You don't know what you're talking about.

In the UK, it is OK for kids to swear at their teachers.
In the UK, firearms are almost completely banned.

This doesn't happen in the PRK.



Your kidding, right?

-Ben


Yes he is. For one, if I were to have swore at my teachers I'd have been expelled. Furthermore there are some classes of firearms that are kosher to own.



I've heard about that. The kids get a ration of swear words for each day. What...can they say 'fuck' 5 times a day or something?



I'd be asking for seconds by 9 AM
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:12:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PinePig:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness?

-Ben



There's nothing they can do, as long as the 2nd ammendment is not seen as an incorporated right, protected at the individual level. They will keep getting worse and worse laws, as politicans make gun control a pet issue that resonates with the majority of approving voters.

CA gun owners are completely overwhelmed, and thus can't do much.



Somebody want to lend us a couple of fairly large nukes, 3 ought to fix what's wrong with California.



Are sales over state lines permitted? Or do I need to send it to your local FFL?

-Ben
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:30:49 PM EDT
New proposed gun control legislation in the PRK!


I for one, do not believe it!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:43:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
If you're from Minnesota you might not really pay enough attention to the thousand or more laws that are proposed each year in California. See we have 35 MILLION people here and another half a million are coming here each year each trying to make this state as screwed up as the state that they left to come here. 35 MILLION people means a whole lot of politicians each trying to do something, anything to get their name in the papers. That's why all the most whacko stuff comes from California because unless your insane you don't get the press - you don't get seperated from the other ten thousand professional law makers we have here. Not too many laws make it out of committe, of those that do about 95% don't get put into law. Even the other politicians know that the bill is just for show and they don't really vote to pass most of them.

A few whacked ones pass every year (without a doubt) but at least we can still buy beer on Sundays.




Naw.

California sucks because it has, as academically documented, the worst fucking incumbent democrat favoring gerrymandering in the entire fucking country. Sacrametno doesn't represent anyone but the liberal power elites, and you fucksticks appear poised to vote down the ballot measures Ahnold is going to sacrifice reelection to get before you.

Its your bed. Enjoy it.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:50:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By PinePig:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness?

-Ben



There's nothing they can do, as long as the 2nd ammendment is not seen as an incorporated right, protected at the individual level. They will keep getting worse and worse laws, as politicans make gun control a pet issue that resonates with the majority of approving voters.

CA gun owners are completely overwhelmed, and thus can't do much.



Somebody want to lend us a couple of fairly large nukes, 3 ought to fix what's wrong with California.



Are sales over state lines permitted? Or do I need to send it to your local FFL?

-Ben



FFL will work, I have one in San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego.

Ship them COD please, thanks.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:54:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Waiting til you have only got your airsoft commando gear?
This legislation is gonna keep getting worse.

-Ben



Nah, they'll ban that too since it's scary looking.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:55:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 8:56:36 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]

Originally Posted By PinePig:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

Originally Posted By PinePig:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness?

-Ben



There's nothing they can do, as long as the 2nd ammendment is not seen as an incorporated right, protected at the individual level. They will keep getting worse and worse laws, as politicans make gun control a pet issue that resonates with the majority of approving voters.

CA gun owners are completely overwhelmed, and thus can't do much.




Somebody want to lend us a couple of fairly large nukes, 3 ought to fix what's wrong with California.



Are sales over state lines permitted? Or do I need to send it to your local FFL?

-Ben



FFL will work, I have one in San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego.

Ship them COD please, thanks.




so are those considered handgun or longgun?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:59:02 PM EDT
Might want to fix that, you put your reply in the middle.

Next day air I believe is required, sucks when a nuke gets put in one of those UPS guys pockets and he walks out with it.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 12:15:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Sooo...how long is it gonna take you subjects of the PRK to do something to stop this madness?

-Ben



There's nothing they can do, as long as the 2nd ammendment is not seen as an incorporated right, protected at the individual level. They will keep getting worse and worse laws, as politicans make gun control a pet issue that resonates with the majority of approving voters.

CA gun owners are completely overwhelmed, and thus can't do much.



You realize that mentioning that nasty incorporation subject is likely to get you flamed by all the idiots that don't understand it? I get flamed all the time over it. The last asshole that tried it apparently finally bothered to read the links I gave him because he tucked his tail between his legs and hasn't posted since, at least under that name.

For those that don't understand "Incorporation" is the process whereby the restrictions on the Federal Government in the Bill of Rights get incorporated into applying to the states and lower governments also. It hasn't happened for all the Amendments yet, the Second being the one we care about. It is also a two edged sword because for us in the states that have no Second Amendment equivalent in their State Constitutions because it would shit can all the bad laws we have. For those that have the equivalent, it could potentially force them in to more restrictive Federal laws.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 9:11:47 AM EDT
You know, it occurred to me, there are times, like the flooding in New Orleans, when FFL's should, for the safety of the people of the United States, not put their lives in danger by trying to rescue all those bound books and 4473's from being damaged beyond all readability.

San Francisco may be such a place soon.
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