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Quoted: “Although the Ninth Circuit has granted a stay of the mandate in Butler, the panel decision remains the law of the Circuit. See, e.g., Chambers v. United States, 22 F.3d 939, 942 n.3 (9th Cir. 1994) ("We reject the government's argument that X-Citement Video is not binding precedent until the mandate issues in that case. In this circuit, once a published opinion is filed, it becomes the law of the circuit until withdrawn or reversed by the Supreme Court or an en banc court."), vacated on other grounds, 47 F.3d 1015 (9th Cir. 1995); United States v. Gomez-Lopez, 62 F.3d 304, 306 (9th Cir. 1995) ("The government first urges us to ignore Armstrong since we have stayed the mandate to allow filing of a petition for certiorari; this we will not do, as Armstrong is the law of this circuit."); see also Yong v. I.N.S., 208 F.3d 1116, 1119 n.2 (9th Cir. 2000) (noting that "once a federal circuit court issues a decision, the district courts within that circuit are bound to follow it and have no authority to await a ruling by the Supreme Court before applying the circuit court's decision as binding authority"). Schuller v. Horel, No. EDCV 08-1128-PA (RNB), 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 125879, at *6 n.3 (C.D. Cal. Oct. 1, 2008) I’m not saying this is the “ law” pre mandate, but the courts Seem to treat the opinion as law from my research. So.... take that for what it’s worth. And, (something something, soon)..... View Quote So Hawaii can buy when? |
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Quoted: It sure seems like this paves the way for a change in the California assault weapon ban. Think about it, one feature of the assault weapon ban is a rifle that can accept a magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rds. View Quote |
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Just buy mags now. If they ship, who is to stop you from receiving. If received, who's to say you didn't possess them during Freedom Week I?
Call DOJ going to set-up border checkpoints on all USPS, FEDEX and UPS trucks? Let's do a mass overload of shipping to the state. |
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I bought enough in April, I'm not too worried about buying more right now even though I would like to have some factory Ruger 20 Rd mini 14 magazines.
Tempting but I've got other stuff I should be spending on. Being responsible. |
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Quoted: I bought enough in April, I'm not too worried about buying more right now even though I would like to have some factory Ruger 20 Rd mini 14 magazines. Tempting but I've got other stuff I should be spending on. Being responsible. View Quote I bought $2k last year. Now I'm adding to the collection mags that I couldn't get last time for firearms I want to buy sometime in the future. Trying to get 3 mags each for the potential acquisitions. I'm up to $1k spent so far this time. I just can't find any of the firearms in stock anywhere. In feb I had a handful of firearms I was ready to purchase, but got sick with Covid and wasn't ready to go out to the stores until March and missed the chance to acquire the firearms I wanted. Ammo mail order ban and background checks needs to go next. Life here sucks but I hope we can put up a good fight without abandoning the ranch. |
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Quoted: I I bought $2k last year. Now I'm adding to the collection mags that I couldn't get last time for firearms I want to buy sometime in the future. Trying to get 3 mags each for the potential acquisitions. I'm up to $1k spent so far this time. I just can't find any of the firearms in stock anywhere. In feb I had a handful of firearms I was ready to purchase, but got sick with Covid and wasn't ready to go out to the stores until March and missed the chance to acquire the firearms I wanted. Ammo mail order ban and background checks needs to go next. Life here sucks but I hope we can put up a good fight without abandoning the ranch. View Quote Miss buying ammo online. Last time was dec 2017. Seems forever ago. Haven’t bought ammo since they made the background check |
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How many more freedom weeks do we need until this is permanent?
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Quoted: Credit will be claimed, followed by asking for more money to buy suits. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is the NRA involved? I can't find a clear answer. Credit will be claimed, followed by asking for more money to buy suits. Sure as shit I got a fundraising call from them last night |
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Quoted: "Although the Ninth Circuit has granted a stay of the mandate in Butler, the panel decision remains the law of the Circuit. See, e.g., Chambers v. United States, 22 F.3d 939, 942 n.3 (9th Cir. 1994) ("We reject the government's argument that X-Citement Video is not binding precedent until the mandate issues in that case. In this circuit, once a published opinion is filed, it becomes the law of the circuit until withdrawn or reversed by the Supreme Court or an en banc court."), vacated on other grounds, 47 F.3d 1015 (9th Cir. 1995); United States v. Gomez-Lopez, 62 F.3d 304, 306 (9th Cir. 1995) ("The government first urges us to ignore Armstrong since we have stayed the mandate to allow filing of a petition for certiorari; this we will not do, as Armstrong is the law of this circuit."); see also Yong v. I.N.S., 208 F.3d 1116, 1119 n.2 (9th Cir. 2000) (noting that "once a federal circuit court issues a decision, the district courts within that circuit are bound to follow it and have no authority to await a ruling by the Supreme Court before applying the circuit court's decision as binding authority"). Schuller v. Horel, No. EDCV 08-1128-PA (RNB), 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 125879, at *6 n.3 (C.D. Cal. Oct. 1, 2008) I'm not saying this is the " law" pre mandate, but the courts Seem to treat the opinion as law from my research. So.... take that for what it's worth. And, (something something, soon)..... View Quote Praying for all the oppressed people in the 9th that this keeps trending their way. |
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I’m sooooooook glad I ordered a couple of ten packs early this week and they’ve shipped
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While I have issues with the NRA. The NRA did have a part to play in this. The lawsuit was brought about by the California Rifle and Pistol Association, which is an Affiliate Organization of the NRA just as the Unified Sportsmen of Florida is. Affiliate Organizations are basically state chapters of the NRA and receive funding from them.
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Quoted: “Although the Ninth Circuit has granted a stay of the mandate in Butler, the panel decision remains the law of the Circuit. See, e.g., Chambers v. United States, 22 F.3d 939, 942 n.3 (9th Cir. 1994) ("We reject the government's argument that X-Citement Video is not binding precedent until the mandate issues in that case. In this circuit, once a published opinion is filed, it becomes the law of the circuit until withdrawn or reversed by the Supreme Court or an en banc court."), vacated on other grounds, 47 F.3d 1015 (9th Cir. 1995); United States v. Gomez-Lopez, 62 F.3d 304, 306 (9th Cir. 1995) ("The government first urges us to ignore Armstrong since we have stayed the mandate to allow filing of a petition for certiorari; this we will not do, as Armstrong is the law of this circuit."); see also Yong v. I.N.S., 208 F.3d 1116, 1119 n.2 (9th Cir. 2000) (noting that "once a federal circuit court issues a decision, the district courts within that circuit are bound to follow it and have no authority to await a ruling by the Supreme Court before applying the circuit court's decision as binding authority"). Schuller v. Horel, No. EDCV 08-1128-PA (RNB), 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 125879, at *6 n.3 (C.D. Cal. Oct. 1, 2008) I’m not saying this is the “ law” pre mandate, but the courts Seem to treat the opinion as law from my research. So.... take that for what it’s worth. And, (something something, soon)..... View Quote I didn't research it that far, but that's my understanding too. A "published" decision is the law until/unless overturned. That means mag sales to CA should be okay until some further order is made by that court (the 9th) or a higher court (SCOTUS). |
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I’ve got probably 150 mags I could let loose to CA. Ain’t giving them away...I’ll see what I got when I get back to civilization tonight.
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Quoted: Another twist in this is that the 9th doesn't do en banc the way the others do. Instead, they randomly select 11 judges out of the 29. That could be very good, or very bad. Keep in mind also that an en banc hearing isn't a right, you need the majority of active judges in a circuit to agree to it. Praying for all the oppressed people in the 9th that this keeps trending their way. View Quote And the same 3 anti gun judges magically got on every en banc panel so far. |
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Quoted: And the same 3 anti gun judges magically got on every en banc panel so far. View Quote Who knows what will happen. Until the order is stayed or overturned I hope so many mags flood CA during Freedom Week 2.0 that it doesn't make any difference. Although, if upheld it would be a sign for places like CO and NY of what could be coming their way. |
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Reading this just makes me more appreciative of the fact I can simply walk into my Summerville PSA store any time I please and buy as many Pmags as I wish for 8.99 (military discount) along with a variety of other standard capacity mags and firearms. I am very glad to hear the news for you folks out behind the red curtain of the west and best of luck to you all! Buy away my friends!
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Several of the MSM sources are saying that mags can't be shipped to California because there is a stay in place, ordered by the lower court. It's quite unclear to me what is going on. Some vendors are apparently shipping, some are not.
There used to be trustworthy news sources in this country. |
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Quoted: And the same 3 anti gun judges magically got on every en banc panel so far. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Another twist in this is that the 9th doesn't do en banc the way the others do. Instead, they randomly select 11 judges out of the 29. That could be very good, or very bad. Keep in mind also that an en banc hearing isn't a right, you need the majority of active judges in a circuit to agree to it. Praying for all the oppressed people in the 9th that this keeps trending their way. And the same 3 anti gun judges magically got on every en banc panel so far. |
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Quoted: Several of the MSM sources are saying that mags can't be shipped to California because there is a stay in place, ordered by the lower court. It's quite unclear to me what is going on. Some vendors are apparently shipping, some are not. There used to be trustworthy news sources in this country. View Quote So we either have a good ruling, or mass do not comply to unconstitutional rulings. Mag venders... “Was that wrong?” If they don’t ship, CA will empty the EE. One flat rate box at a time. |
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Quoted: Several of the MSM sources are saying that mags can't be shipped to California because there is a stay in place, ordered by the lower court. It's quite unclear to me what is going on. Some vendors are apparently shipping, some are not. There used to be trustworthy news sources in this country. View Quote I could be wrong, but I think the lower courts stay was vacated when the 9th published its ruling on the case. Again, I don't do appellate law so that might not be correct. |
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Surprisingly unbiased report about it on the local (San Diego) media this morning.
Just the facts of the decision, no input from the Demanding Mom's, cries about blood in the streets or phrases like "the magazines used in the XYZ mass shooting". |
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Quoted: Surprisingly unbiased report about it on the local (San Diego) media this morning. Just the facts of the decision, no input from the Demanding Mom's, cries about blood in the streets or phrases like "the magazines used in the XYZ mass shooting". View Quote Freedom and Constitutional rights can be scary. |
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Quoted: Another twist in this is that the 9th doesn't do en banc the way the others do. Instead, they randomly select 11 judges out of the 29. That could be very good, or very bad. Keep in mind also that an en banc hearing isn't a right, you need the majority of active judges in a circuit to agree to it. Praying for all the oppressed people in the 9th that this keeps trending their way. View Quote IIRC, someone did the math and there is less than a 1 in 3 chance of getting the needed 6 Republicans, and even less of a chance of getting 6 that are pro-gun (not all of the Republican appointees in the circuit are pro-gun; some are with the Left on these issues), which are still better odds than what used to be the case. |
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Quoted: While I have issues with the NRA. The NRA did have a part to play in this. The lawsuit was brought about by the California Rifle and Pistol Association, which is an Affiliate Organization of the NRA just as the Unified Sportsmen of Florida is. Affiliate Organizations are basically state chapters of the NRA and receive funding from them. View Quote CRPA makes its own decisions, and the NRA isn't always on-board with them. It has even tried to undermine efforts backed by the CRPA, which is around the time I first started to get upset with them as an organization. |
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If you can't find a vender who will will ship M14 mags IM me... I had to sell my M1A when times got hard.
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Quoted: Surprisingly unbiased report about it on the local (San Diego) media this morning. Just the facts of the decision, no input from the Demanding Mom's, cries about blood in the streets or phrases like "the magazines used in the XYZ mass shooting". View Quote The Sacramento Bee has published some refreshingly deeper reporting, providing context. It's pretty good. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article244964865.html |
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Federal appeals court strikes down California's ban against high-capacity gun magazines Court throws out ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines |
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Quoted: Well... DOJ got that out quick Any thoughts? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/1805936E-A995-4879-B82B-B61F600C8067_jpe-1547596.JPG View Quote That's just their opinion, they can go back to court for another stay if they want. |
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Quoted: Well... DOJ got that out quick Any thoughts? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/1805936E-A995-4879-B82B-B61F600C8067_jpe-1547596.JPG View Quote I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but the lower court's stay (of the lower court's ruling) seems unnecessary when the court ABOVE the lower court ruled the law was unconstitutional. As such, I'm not so sure that a lower court's decision even matters when the higher court says it is unconstitutional. I could probably make a graph for the california gov. |
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Quoted: Well... DOJ got that out quick Any thoughts? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/1805936E-A995-4879-B82B-B61F600C8067_jpe-1547596.JPG View Quote Aw, dang it, now everyone's got to return their mag purchases. I'm sure you'll all get right on that. For you literal guys, that's a joke. |
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Quoted: I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but the lower court's stay (of the lower court's ruling) seems unnecessary when the court ABOVE the lower court ruled the law was unconstitutional. As such, I'm not so sure that a lower court's decision even matters when the higher court says it is unconstitutional. I could probably make a graph for the california gov. View Quote Thanks Nolo. I'm not a lawyer but that's how I see it as well. |
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Feels good man.
Happy feelz for the patriots toughing it out in Cali. |
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Quoted: Well... DOJ got that out quick Any thoughts? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/1805936E-A995-4879-B82B-B61F600C8067_jpe-1547596.JPG View Quote That's BS. Two courts already ruled it unconstitutional. How can they say the law still stands until further review? |
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Quoted: Freedom and Constitutional rights can be scary. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Surprisingly unbiased report about it on the local (San Diego) media this morning. Just the facts of the decision, no input from the Demanding Mom's, cries about blood in the streets or phrases like "the magazines used in the XYZ mass shooting". Freedom and Constitutional rights can be scary. ...or the left wants less restrictions as they begin to arm up. |
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Quoted: Well... DOJ got that out quick Any thoughts? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158348/1805936E-A995-4879-B82B-B61F600C8067_jpe-1547596.JPG View Quote Attached File |
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@NoloContendere
If this sticks it will throw a yuge monkey wrence into Wa gov (inslee) and AG (turd ferguson) attempts to put up mag bans here, correct? |
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Quoted: I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but the lower court's stay (of the lower court's ruling) seems unnecessary when the court ABOVE the lower court ruled the law was unconstitutional. As such, I'm not so sure that a lower court's decision even matters when the higher court says it is unconstitutional. I could probably make a graph for the california gov. View Quote I agree 100%. Just more CA posturing. I hope the courts bend over the CA AG. |
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Quoted: Reading this just makes me more appreciative of the fact I can simply walk into my Summerville PSA store any time I please and buy as many Pmags as I wish for 8.99 (military discount) along with a variety of other standard capacity mags and firearms. I am very glad to hear the news for you folks out behind the red curtain of the west and best of luck to you all! Buy away my friends! View Quote @svtpwnz Didn't know they had mil discounts. |
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When I told my wife about this ruling she said, "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of credit cards suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."
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