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Posted: 8/29/2002 2:32:47 PM EDT
Greenpeace and VPC making their case for the ban
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 2:39:45 PM EDT
Make sure to post what they said, not all of us are near TV's! I'm assuming its the "a 50 cal rifle can shoot 15 miles and take out military jets flying mach 5 at high altitudes" type argument. I wonder if they'll release any statement saying that these guns have NEVER been used in a crime.
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 2:46:54 PM EDT
50 calibre rifles are very dangerous, and in the hands of untrained citizens they become a threat to everybody. Have you ever seen what a 50 calibre rifle can do to 2 year old child? It's sad that you don't see the obviuos need for sensible gun safety legislation. Bill C. [smoke]
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 2:48:07 PM EDT
Shouldn't greenpeace be taking care of some whales somewhere or tree camping? I admired them for some of the ideals they held up but that is just stupid. Anyone else notice how some political groups are becoming stange bedfellows more ever since Bush got in office.
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 2:55:59 PM EDT
I thought Greenpeace was busy keeping it's ships from being sunk by the French? How do they have time for this? Are the Russians remiss in it's toxic waste dumping? Are the Japs not hunting enough whales? Am I missing something here?
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 3:13:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 3:30:36 PM EDT
I was running out the door when I posted, sorry. The Greenpeace lady was talking about some absurd claim that plastics can be made out of corn and sugar, and are just as durable as regular plastics without the pollution. I hung on, to wait what other ludicrous claims she would make. Then she started talking about the national security threat of .50 cal rifles, which seemed like a real non-sequiter. Here's the connection: The VPC's new angle to ban is terrorist use of .50 BMG weapons against chemical and petrochemical storage tanks. Their strange bedfellows in Greenpeace come along to give scary stories about all the terrible chemicals that could be released. The VPC guy was mentioning heavy lobbying from the petrochem industry towards Senators from New Jersey (Corzine was named) Delaware, and Louisiana. They said the bill to make .50 bmg weapons fall under the NFA has made it out of senate committee, but they lamented they would need the support of the executive administration to make it law. I wonder why the petrochem industry doesn't adopt Greenpeace's bright ideas about corn and sugar plastics, instead of banning .50 bmg's.
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 3:34:33 PM EDT
replace my sig line with green peace, what about the enviromentalist that were mauled by a bear now thats funny.
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 4:04:42 PM EDT
I'll bet those PETA guys wish theey had a .50 when that Bear took a taste out of them!
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 4:18:18 PM EDT
I would have thought Greenteeth would be trying to ban TORPEDO's !! [:D]
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 4:38:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven: I was running out the door when I posted, sorry. The Greenpeace lady was talking about some absurd claim that plastics can be made out of corn and sugar, and are just as durable as regular plastics without the pollution. I hung on, to wait what other ludicrous claims she would make. Then she started talking about the national security threat of .50 cal rifles, which seemed like a real non-sequiter. Here's the connection: The VPC's new angle to ban is terrorist use of .50 BMG weapons against chemical and petrochemical storage tanks. Their strange bedfellows in Greenpeace come along to give scary stories about all the terrible chemicals that could be released. The VPC guy was mentioning heavy lobbying from the petrochem industry towards Senators from New Jersey (Corzine was named) Delaware, and Louisiana. They said the bill to make .50 bmg weapons fall under the NFA has made it out of senate committee, but they lamented they would need the support of the executive administration to make it law. I wonder why the petrochem industry doesn't adopt Greenpeace's bright ideas about corn and sugar plastics, instead of banning .50 bmg's.
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Seems like they are more and more pro earth groups seem to be about socialism more then they are about the environment. I have given money to the Sierra Club and a few others before. I think it is important to protect the enviroment, but damn this stuff is just stupid ( not that all the stuff they have supported in the past was always great ). Mabey they are tired of being shot at by .50 cal from the all the different Navy's they piss off? You got to be pretty wussey to be scared by the French.
Link Posted: 8/29/2002 4:57:53 PM EDT
Check it out. IIRC the Makah tribe up here in Washington State used a FIFTY CALIBER rifle to "Humanly" dispatch a whale after impailing it with their harpoon a few years ago. The greenpeaces were on them like stink on dead whale before, during and after the hunt. It was a media circus. Could this be why GP is pissed off? [url]http://www.makah.com/whales.htm[/url] We presently plan to conduct the hunt for one or two traditional seagoing canoes, manned by crews of eight to nine whalers in each canoe. The canoe is 36 feet in length and is carved from a single cedar log. We plan to use both a harpooner and a rifleman who will be stationed in the canoe. The harpooner will use a stainless steel harpoon mounted on a wooden shaft approximately 7 feet long, connected by ropes to buoys and to the canoe. The rifleman will fire a specially designed .50 caliber rifle simultaneously or immediately after the harpoon is thrown. We have been working with Dr. Allen Ingling, a veterinarian at the University of Maryland on the use of this weapon. Dr. Ingling and representatives from National Marine Fisheries Service and the National Marine Mammal Laboratory have been testing the use of this rifle. It is expected that the rifle will achieve immediate unconsciousness and death of the whale when fired at a target area near the base of the skull. It is the most humane method that can be employed.
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