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Posted: 6/16/2003 6:52:59 PM EDT
I was just watching CSI, they were attempting to get a test fire from a pistol, but their pistol kept mis-firing, so they decided that they would switch parts from an identical gun to get their sample bullet. They clearly show swapping barrels, doesnt the barrel carry the bullet signature?
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 7:02:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 7:03:10 PM EDT
It's a TV show, do you really think if someone coughs at a crime scene, they can DNA print them. [:)]
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 7:30:09 PM EDT
Well at least this time it was "Golden Talon" and not followed by "Cop Killer Bullet" ... Ted...
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 7:37:36 PM EDT
Welly my friend jon belives everything shown on that show is 100% true and real.
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 7:59:29 PM EDT
Well there was an episode where the guy (sniper) was making 850 yard, right between the eye shots, with a 223 sabot...because it would not leave a ballistic signature! BigDozer66
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 9:14:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 9:25:47 PM EDT
You can drive a car through the gap in the broad's teeth! They try so hard to make her look good!
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 10:07:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 9:51:42 PM EDT by Only_Hits_Count]
Originally Posted By BigDozer66: Well there was an episode where the guy (sniper) was making 850 yard, right between the eye shots, with a 223 sabot...because it would not leave a ballistic signature! BigDozer66
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Wait---it's better- they claimed an 800+ yard BTE headshot - with a freakin' [b][i]sabot[/b][/i] round!!! That bullshit tonight- OMFG!!! they planned to match "the rifling marks with the firing pin impact" marks. That show makes me sick. Perfectly symbolic of style over sustanance. Then these retard viewers think they know things about science. The 'science' and methodology on that show is beyond laughable. Oh yeah- 'yes your honor, we had to completely rebuild the defendant's gun so we could test fire it' - now we can prove he's guilty!!! Total shit. That fvcktrad jerr bruckheimer- of gone in 60 seconds infamy. [:X*] >>>damn [brackets]
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 10:32:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2003 10:34:08 PM EDT by raven]
They can tell a bullet used to kill someone was a cop-killer hollowpoint, not by examining the projectile, but examining the spent case (on the scene).
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 10:43:03 PM EDT
Not to mention the whole "nothing can clean up blood stains becouse our uber lights can spot it"
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 10:43:50 PM EDT
I hate that show
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 10:55:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2003 10:56:29 PM EDT by Lazyshooter]
Everybody on that show is a bad actor. David Caruso is the worst, well maybe that blonde that did the test firing is.[:D] Swapping barrels (if a factory duplicate), would likely give away barrel manufacturer and then gun model, but to get the right ballistics, yes you would have to obviously use the same exact barrel, though the extractor leaves a "signature" on fired cases.
Link Posted: 6/16/2003 11:02:45 PM EDT
In the CSI Miami sniper episode, they were trying to determine the weight of the bullet that was used with the sabot for the 850+ yard shots. The weight of one of the 850+ yard bullets that they showed it could be was, I kid you not... [b]7 grains![/b]
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 3:38:16 AM EDT
It's all that Hollywood stuff. Last week my wife & I went to see "Bulletproof Monk." It was fun in a "Put-your-brain-under-the-seat-and-enjoy-the-show", cartoon kind of way. This helicopter shows up with a minigun mounted on the side. I think, "Cool!" However, when they opened fire I didn't hear the "fart of the gods", it was the "diggadiggadigga!" of a regular machine gun. I guess the director said, "No- THIS is what I want the machine gun to sound like." Keeps the foley artists employed I guess. Another was in "The Rock." The president turns to the Air Force Chief of Staff and asks about F-18s. I'm thinking, "He's talking to the wrong guy!" Then you see F-18s with "U.S. Air Force" painted on the side. Sheesh! It's because of stuff like that my wife hates sitting next to me! We could probably have a whole forum on this stuff!
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 4:55:50 AM EDT
I saw that sniper episode as well. I want to see the .22 sabot taht can allow that kind of accuracy. That has to be one of the worse shows I've eevr seen. I can't stand that blonde. I swear she's trying to over embilish her southern draw (it sounds about as bad as Nicolas Cages southern draw...if thats even possible to be that bad). Hearing her talk about guns is like listening to some chick who never watches the games try and talk about football...damn painfull. I could go on and on...I HATE THAT SHOW...
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:01:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Morpheus: In the CSI Miami sniper episode, they were trying to determine the weight of the bullet that was used with the sabot for the 850+ yard shots. The weight of one of the 850+ yard bullets that they showed it could be was, I kid you not... [b]7 grains![/b]
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OMFG! when I saw that my wife even said something.... They had a whole tray of loaded bullets with different weights... None even close to what was real.... 7 Grains WTF!!
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:28:33 AM EDT
NEWS FLASH!!! It is a TV show. It is only a TV show. Also, crimes arent solved in an hour, Dr Huxtable, his wife Clair, and their kids don't really exist, if you stick your fingers in someone's eyes (ala Curly) you will probably blind them, coyotes don't really order things from the "Acme" catalog, nor do they contrive elaborate plans to kill a roadrunner. TV shows and movies rely on the viewer to utilize something called "suspension of disbelief" which is tied closely to your imagination....and not reality.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:30:48 AM EDT
The 7 grains thing was one of several powder charges (not the bullet weight) they tried to get the velocity to get the distance to pin-point the next shot. I like to watch that show for just a good laugh. Remember the episode where a tree was used as a back-stop, and just by the holes they determined 9mm and 7.62 x 39 (no calipers to measure), wholey cow and AK-47. They must know that there audience must include people smarter than the writers.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:33:40 AM EDT
Inaccuracies aside, she IS from Raleigh, NC and Wake County, does have a twang. It was almost pornagraphic when she went into the gun vault, turned on the light, caught her breath, and said, "Oh be still my heart". A chick, on network tv, being that turned on by guns. Made me feel all toodly woodly. Then of course I changed the channel cuz something good was on another channel, I was just sure of it. Click, click, click, click, click.........
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:55:20 AM EDT
Signature?!!? [ROFL2]
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 7:36:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 7:41:24 AM EDT
Actually when our old home was broken into, the responding officer made it a point to tell us that they can't do all the stuff you see on CSI. Ironically, my wife and I had never watch the show or insuinated that there was more they could do. It was almost a pre-emptive response to a question he must get a lot. I'm sure more rural police officers do hate that show.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:03:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:18:49 AM EDT
yeah i saw that, they were trying to get the firing pin, but instead she swapped barrels. its all hokey, but good for some laughs lebrew
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:29:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CosmicOne-Der: NEWS FLASH!!! It is a TV show. It is only a TV show. Also, crimes arent solved in an hour, Dr Huxtable, his wife Clair, and their kids don't really exist, if you stick your fingers in someone's eyes (ala Curly) you will probably blind them, coyotes don't really order things from the "Acme" catalog, nor do they contrive elaborate plans to kill a roadrunner. TV shows and movies rely on the viewer to utilize something called "suspension of disbelief" which is tied closely to your imagination....and not reality.
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Yah well we all know that, but the problem is that the general non shooting liberal voting for population of this country thinks that shit is all true. So they just help to prop up all the BS that people hear from the anti-gun groups.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:31:12 AM EDT
I thought one of the best lines from CSI was this episode. Calleigh, the blond goes to get the pistol to put the suspect barrel in and as she steps in the door of the gun room, ever so sexily says, "Oh, be still my heart!" [img]http://home.earthlink.net/~rflores00/_uimages/csi_miami_5.jpeg[/img] Be still my heart!
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:41:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CosmicOne-Der: if you stick your fingers in someone's eyes (ala Curly) you will probably blind them, coyotes don't really order things from the "Acme" catalog, nor do they contrive elaborate plans to kill a roadrunner.
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The stooges were advertised as exactly what they are...Farce comedy. Chuck Jones and the boys at Warner Bros. never tried to pass Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote off as a factual drama. Joe and Jane Sheeple believe everything they see on CSI is factual, and therefore it's a GREAT idea to [s]register all firearms[/s] "Ballistically fingerprint" every gun because it will make them 100% traceable every time and crime will miraculously disappear. In fact, the shit Wile E. concocted is a hundred times more believable than any of the inane horseshit that Joe and Jane Sheeple accept as 100% truth on [b]BS[/b]I. CSI is one HUGE turd of a show. SG
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:55:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 8:56:42 AM EDT by Lastbscout]
Originally Posted By sherrick13: The only accurate thing about that show is they speak English.
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Ditto...no show that I have ever seen does more discredit to forensic sciense than CSI. Crime scene investigators are NOT out to "bust the bad guy". With that mindset its way to easy to make your data fit a foregone conclusion. Forensics experts must be 100% loyal to their science...and never testify beyond what their skills can and cannot prove. I recall a few years ago that a crime scene investigator was discredited during an appeals hearing for testifying on evidence beyond the scope of her science. Last I heard, hundreds of cases were being overturned because of her "expert" testimony lacked any credibility.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:31:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SANGUINE: I thought one of the best lines from CSI was this episode. Calleigh, the blond goes to get the pistol to put the suspect barrel in and as she steps in the door of the gun room, ever so sexily says, "Oh, be still my heart!" [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~rflores00/_uimages/csi_miami_5.jpeg[/url] Be still my heart!
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Fallacy number 1. Forensic scientist DO NOT generally look like that, nor do they wear cleavage revealing tanktops while on the job. Ironically that sniper episode was the first (and last) time I ever watched the show. But I must admit to getting a little happy when she was at the range behind the Rem700 with the twins hanging almost out.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:44:54 AM EDT
What’s funny is you guys actually watch this crap. Kill your TV.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:38:26 PM EDT
The innacuracies on CSI are often too numerous to list. As mentioned above, CSI personnel typically wear some sort of jumpsuit, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. CSI personnel don't usually carry guns. CSI personnel don't conduct interviews, that's what police officers and detectives are for. CSI personnel go to a crime scene, thoroughly catalog and collect evidence ,process the evidence collected, then submit the results to the investigators and/or DA. Doesn't make for a very entertaining TV show though. Dusting for prints. Here, you're looking at probably a minimum 6 month turn around if you submit prints to the KBI for matching.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:03:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By CosmicOne-Der: NEWS FLASH!!! It is a TV show. It is only a TV show. Also, crimes arent solved in an hour, Dr Huxtable, his wife Clair, and their kids don't really exist, if you stick your fingers in someone's eyes (ala Curly) you will probably blind them, coyotes don't really order things from the "Acme" catalog, nor do they contrive elaborate plans to kill a roadrunner. TV shows and movies rely on the viewer to utilize something called "suspension of disbelief" which is tied closely to your imagination....and not reality.
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[b][size=4]Yah well we all know that, but the problem is that the general non shooting liberal voting for population of this country thinks that shit is all true. So they just help to prop up all the BS that people hear from the anti-gun groups. [/b][/size=4]
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Well said Photo- THAT'S THE PROBLEM
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:29:37 PM EDT
My brother is an orthopedic surgeon and is a part time consultant for CSI. Whenever they may have a question that is related to his field they call him. He tells me that they are a bunch of morons that have no clue when it comes to medicine, anatomy, physiology. Not just guns. The other day he got a call from them and they asked him. "Is it true that the ulna is the strongest bone in the body?" One other occasion they asked him if it would be possible for someone to get up and stand up after having their spinal cord severed at the neck. Whoever commented that the only accurate thing in the show is that they speak english was right on. CSI is a joke.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 11:26:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sloth: Actually when our old home was broken into, the responding officer made it a point to tell us that they can't do all the stuff you see on CSI. Ironically, my wife and I had never watch the show or insuinated that there was more they could do. It was almost a pre-emptive response to a question he must get a lot. I'm sure more rural police officers do hate that show.
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Reminds me when I had jury duty judge told us "remember this is real life not "Law and order" or any of those other nonsensed filled law shows"
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 6:51:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By markl32: What’s funny is you guys actually watch this crap. Kill your TV.
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What is even more funny is how most of you get all worked up about a TV show. It is only entertainment. CSI is not trying educate the public on forensic medicine. They are mearly trying to sell commercial spots. It is a business and what business doesn't embelish a little bit. I can think of several gun manufacturers that claim to build the best AR style weapon. Yeah right. Half of them I wouldn't own. I find it interesting the people, including my wife that would like to make us think we are inferior for watching television. I say "Build a bridge and get over it" Sorry, I won't sit and stare at my guns all night. Although I do love them too. I'll watch CSI instead. [soapbox] Somebody please end this thread now.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 7:19:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Morpheus: In the CSI Miami sniper episode, they were trying to determine the weight of the bullet that was used with the sabot for the 850+ yard shots. The weight of one of the 850+ yard bullets that they showed it could be was, I kid you not... [b]7 grains![/b]
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Wouldn't it be funny if they used ballistic fingerprinting to match the saboted projectile to the rifle?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:30:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ScaryGuy:
Originally Posted By CosmicOne-Der: if you stick your fingers in someone's eyes (ala Curly) you will probably blind them, coyotes don't really order things from the "Acme" catalog, nor do they contrive elaborate plans to kill a roadrunner.
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The stooges were advertised as exactly what they are...Farce comedy. Chuck Jones and the boys at Warner Bros. never tried to pass Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote off as a factual drama. Joe and Jane Sheeple believe everything they see on CSI is factual, and therefore it's a GREAT idea to [s]register all firearms[/s] "Ballistically fingerprint" every gun because it will make them 100% traceable every time and crime will miraculously disappear. In fact, the shit Wile E. concocted is a hundred times more believable than any of the inane horseshit that Joe and Jane Sheeple accept as 100% truth on [b]BS[/b]I. CSI is one HUGE turd of a show. SG
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Perhaps you missed the remaing text of my thread... [red]TV shows and movies rely on the viewer to utilize something called "suspension of disbelief" which is tied closely to your imagination....and not reality.[/red] It is on network television during prime time....according to your line of thinking, most people believe if they can find "Central Perk" Joey, Ross and Rachel will be hanging out, or that TJ Hooker and Charlies Angels should be mopping up terrorism in California. Now if people want factual CSI type shows, tune into the learning channel and discovery channel. Network prime time is pure fantasy and if you spend your time bitching that fantasy doesn't resemble reality... well...maybe you should turn off the TV and pick up a book....perhaps an encyclopedia..... PS - Baby Bob doesnt really talk and Sesame Street doesn't really exist on a map......don't even get me going on BigBirds or SnuffleUfaGus's....
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:31:35 AM EDT
I know someone who was on a cruise ship 20 years or so ago when The Love Boat was on ABC. An older women boarding the ship came across some of the crew and asked them if Captain Steubing (sp?) (Gavin McCleod), would be piloting their ship![rolleyes] You'd be suprised at what people take as fact from tv.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:40:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Only_Hits_Count:
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By CosmicOne-Der: NEWS FLASH!!! It is a TV show. It is only a TV show. Also, crimes arent solved in an hour, Dr Huxtable, his wife Clair, and their kids don't really exist, if you stick your fingers in someone's eyes (ala Curly) you will probably blind them, coyotes don't really order things from the "Acme" catalog, nor do they contrive elaborate plans to kill a roadrunner. TV shows and movies rely on the viewer to utilize something called "suspension of disbelief" which is tied closely to your imagination....and not reality.
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[b][size=4]Yah well we all know that, but the problem is that the general non shooting liberal voting for population of this country thinks that shit is all true. So they just help to prop up all the BS that people hear from the anti-gun groups. [/b][/size=4]
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Well said Photo- THAT'S THE PROBLEM
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So, the answer is to establish a "movie police" that will ensure that all fictional television shows are in fact, non-fiction? WTF?
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:44:59 AM EDT
I watch CSI:Miami on occassion just to mock Caruso. My wife and I have determined that there ar 2,899,760 cops in Miami, since if one guy gets capped, there are 8 cops working full-time to "solve" the crime. I'm also impressed that if some random body turns up dead at dawn, they've got dental records by lunchtime. Shit! I can't even get an appointment for a cleaning with my dentist for like 6 months. There was an interesting episode a couple of months ago. The cops were transporting a truckload of confiscated drugs to an inceinerator, and got hijacked. Big shootout, cops and bad guys killed. The interesting part was that one of the cops on the scene did not return fire. There was some clever drama regarding this guy, whether he just froze or was perhaps complicit in the hijacking scheme. That part of the story was well-written and well-acted, butthe rest of the story line was fraught with the aforementioned bullshit.
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