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Posted: 8/8/2005 9:46:50 AM EDT
f-15 with b-2 bomber




Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:48:02 AM EDT
Nice. Air supperiority at its finest.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:48:28 AM EDT
Wouldn't an escort defeat the whole notion of "stealth"?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:49:38 AM EDT
Badass. I'll never forget having one of those fly over me.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:50:40 AM EDT
I've never had the chance to see a B2 in person, so I'm really suprised how small they are when compared to an F15. THought they'd be a lot bigger.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:51:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
Wouldn't an escort defeat the whole notion of "stealth"?



Nope, the f-15s 'hide' behind the b-2!!!
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 9:57:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I've never had the chance to see a B2 in person, so I'm really suprised how small they are when compared to an F15. THought they'd be a lot bigger.



I had never seen one in person until my ROTC detachment visited Whiteman(sp?) AFB. It's a huge airplane, dimension wise it's not a monster compared to say, a B-1, but the thing is because of it's shape it has a giant area, it's deceptive how big it is.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:14:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I've never had the chance to see a B2 in person, so I'm really suprised how small they are when compared to an F15. THought they'd be a lot bigger.



I had never seen one in person until my ROTC detachment visited Whiteman(sp?) AFB. It's a huge airplane, dimension wise it's not a monster compared to say, a B-1, but the thing is because of it's shape it has a giant area, it's deceptive how big it is.



Come to think of it...F15s aren't exactly tiny either.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:20:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:25:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
Wouldn't an escort defeat the whole notion of "stealth"?



Yes - but wait till the F-22s are escorting!!
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:27:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:34:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 10:34:27 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By vito113:
And Jack Northrop was a fucking genius!!!


XB-35 Flying wing… (1943)

Wing Span: 172 feet



I can't imagine trying to land one of those things.

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:34:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
And Jack Northrop was a fucking genius!!!


XB-35 Flying wing… (1943)

Wing Span: 172 feet


B2 Spirit… (1992)

Wing Span: 172 feet


It took 60 years to get there but get there they did!



Jack Northrup got the credit. Frank Morrison birthed the concept.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:38:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And Jack Northrop was a fucking genius!!!


XB-35 Flying wing… (1943)

Wing Span: 172 feet



I can't imagine trying to land one of those things.

gra.midco.net/mlgould/Early%20Bombers/XB-35%20Flying%20Wing.JPG



Yeah...notice the prominence, near the windscreen, of the relevent instruments, Artificial Horizon, TBI, V-speed indicator, and compass. Not much visibility, eh?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:38:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PBIR:
Badass. I'll never forget having one of those fly over me.



The first one I saw flew right over me on final into Hill AFB. It had to get really close before I realized what it was. I have to say, as George Kostanza said after the massage, "It moved, Jerry."

C-5s and C-17s up close give me wood, too. It's just impressive to see what our country can achieve.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:39:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:
Nice. Air supperiority at its finest.



Air Supremacy.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:39:50 AM EDT
Best thing is the 1st pic, the Herk in the background really makes it the best pic of them all

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:44:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
Wouldn't an escort defeat the whole notion of "stealth"?



Something has to escort the tanker that feeds it...
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:44:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 10:45:16 AM EDT by PBIR]
I vote for the 2nd pic. Plane porn!
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:58:58 AM EDT
We've come a long way from this




To this

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 10:59:38 AM EDT
Great Pics..Thanks
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:02:39 AM EDT
Resolution isn't as good, but I like this one too:



and this one:



oh, and this one :



from here
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:03:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
I've seen one do a few flyovers… big and spookily quiet!

ANdy



I had one pass a few hundred feet above me on landing approach and it was the loudest plane I've ever heard. I would compare it to the three F4's in full afterburner that once passed a few hundred feet above me on take-off.

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:03:37 AM EDT
If they can't see it (stealth), why does it need escorts?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:07:20 AM EDT
you guys are welcome.

now as to why it is being escorted could have to do with it being daylight and it is a 20 billion dollar
aircraft.

could you imagine what the b-2 with the f-22 as an escort could do to certain countries military power.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:09:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By corwin1968:

Originally Posted By vito113:
I've seen one do a few flyovers… big and spookily quiet!

ANdy



I had one pass a few hundred feet above me on landing approach and it was the loudest plane I've ever heard. I would compare it to the three F4's in full afterburner that once passed a few hundred feet above me on take-off.




It was moving at subsonic speed when it passed over me and it was quiet as well. You wouldn't have known it was there until the bombs were on you even at that low altitude.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:11:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
Great Pics..Thanks



hey dp can you imagine what it can do with 150 small diamater bombs with gps ouch.

wipe out a few city blocks at least.


SMB 250lber
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:12:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARKAN_the_Tiger:
Wouldn't an escort defeat the whole notion of "stealth"?



They're retrofitting F-15s with Romulan cloaking devices.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:18:37 AM EDT
IBTSHC



­

(I Beat The Super Hornet Comments)
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:25:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And Jack Northrop was a fucking genius!!!


XB-35 Flying wing… (1943)

Wing Span: 172 feet



I can't imagine trying to land one of those things.

gra.midco.net/mlgould/Early%20Bombers/XB-35%20Flying%20Wing.JPG



Yeah...notice the prominence, near the windscreen, of the relevent instruments, Artificial Horizon, TBI, V-speed indicator, and compass. Not much visibility, eh?



By that reasoning there's no reason to design any aircraft with any more visibility than a submarine. I guess Lindy had it right with the Spirit.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:30:49 AM EDT
I've seen a B2 at Edwards during one of their Open House airshows.

The B2 isn't small, it's just that the F15 that is freaking huge as well. The damned F15 and F14s are just behemoths.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:32:55 AM EDT
wow. It never dawned on me that bombers still use escort... I'm an idiot. I always pictured these big SAC guys going it alone for 30 hours..... Do they take fighter escort the whole way to the sandbox when they go?
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:42:17 AM EDT
if the one above this gave you guys wood then check this out

The Air Force bomber force in flight together. The B-2 Spirit is a multi-role bomber capable of delivering both conventional and nuclear munitions. The B-1B is a multi-role, long-range bomber, capable of flying intercontinental missions without refueling, then penetrating present and predicted sophisticated enemy defenses. It can perform a variety of missions, including that of a conventional weapons carrier for theater operations. Air Combat Command's B-52 is a long-range, heavy bomber that can perform a variety of missions. The bomber is capable of flying at high subsonic speeds at altitudes up to 50,000 feet. It can carry nuclear or conventional ordnance with worldwide precision navigation capability.


Bomber trio



Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:47:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 11:50:13 AM EDT by crazyhorse705]
here is the stats for the b-2 and f-15 so you guys can see their length height and width.

and here is linky to where i got the info

INFO
B-2 bomber
QUICKSTATS

Designation: B-2 Spirit (Stealth Bomber)
Type: Low observables strategic bomber
Manufacturer: Northrop Grumman
Country: United States
Service Date: 1997
Crew: 2 or 3

DIMENSIONS

Length: 21.03 m (69 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 52.43 m (172 ft 0 in)
Height: 5.18 m (17 ft 0 in)
Weight (Empty): 69,717 kg (153,700 lbs)
Weight (Loaded): 152,635 kg (336,500 lbs)


PERFORMANCE

Powerplant: 4 x 77.0kN (17,300lb) General Electric F118-GE-110 turbofans
Max Speed: 915km/h (495kt)
Max Range: 11,665 km (6,300 nm)
Service Ceiling: 50,000 ft
Rate of Climb: NA

ARMAMENT

Various:
16 x AGM-129 ACMs
16 x B61 or B83 strategic freefall nuclear bombs
80 x MK 82 bombs
16 x MK 84 bombs
16 x JDAMs
16 x GAMs
EGBU-28s
JSOWs
JASSMs


F-15

QUICKSTATS

Designation: F-15 Eagle
Type: Air Superiority Fighter
Manufacturer: McDonnell Douglas
Country: United States
Service Date: 1976
Crew: 1 (2 in F-15B/D)


DIMENSIONS

Length: 19.43 m (63 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 13.05 m (42 ft 10 in)
Height: 5.63 m (18 ft 6 in)
Weight (Empty): 12,793 kg (28,600 lbs)
Weight (Loaded): 30,845 kg (68,000 lbs)


PERFORMANCE

Powerplant: 2 x 65.3 kN (14,670 lb) dry and 105.7 kN (23,770 lb) with afterburning Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220 turbofans.
Max Speed: Mach 2.5 or 2,655 km/h (1,433 kts)
Max Range: 5,745 km (3,100 nm)
Service Ceiling: 60,000 ft
Rate of Climb: 50,000 ft/min

ARMAMENT

1 x M61A1 20mm cannon
4 x AIM-7 Sparrow AAMs
2 x AIM-9 Sidewinder AAMs
2 x AIM-120 AMRAAM AAMs
Up to 7,257 kg (16,000 lbs) of various ordinance

or the F-15 stike eagle

QUICKSTATS

Designation: F-15E Strike Eagle
Type: Air-to-ground attack aircraft
Manufacturer: McDonnell Douglas Corporation
Country: United States
Service Date: 1988
Crew: 2


DIMENSIONS

Length: 63.8 ft (19.44 m)
Wingspan: 42.8 ft (13 m)
Height: 18.5 ft (5.6 m)
Weight (Empty): NA
Weight (Loaded): 81,000 lbs (36,450 kg)


PERFORMANCE

Powerplant: 2 x Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220 or 229 turbofan engines with afterburners delivering 25,000 - 29,000 pounds each engine.
Max Speed: Mach 2.5
Max Range: 2,400 miles (3,840 km)
Service Ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m)
Rate of Climb: NA

ARMAMENT

1 x 20mm multibarrel gun mounted internally with 500 rounds of ammunition.
4 x AIM-7F/M Sparrow missiles
4 x AIM-9L/M Sidewinder missiles
8 x AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles
Any air-to-surface weapon in the Air Force inventory (nuclear and conventional)

Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:49:12 AM EDT
While the B-2 is awesome, no doubt, I still think the B-one is the sexiest beast in the air.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:53:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
While the B-2 is awesome, no doubt, I still think the B-one is the sexiest beast in the air.



want me to get you a bone picture got a few
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:54:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By crazyhorse705:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
While the B-2 is awesome, no doubt, I still think the B-one is the sexiest beast in the air.



want me to get you a bone picture got a few



Better not, I may need to get up and walk around the office in a few minutes. That could be embarrassing.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 11:58:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 11:59:23 AM EDT by crazyhorse705]

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By crazyhorse705:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
While the B-2 is awesome, no doubt, I still think the B-one is the sexiest beast in the air.



want me to get you a bone picture got a few



Better not, I may need to get up and walk around the office in a few minutes. That could be embarrassing.





ok i will post them later check back after work.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:04:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 12:05:07 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:05:47 PM EDT
i repeat i had nothing to do with the bone pic sweet pic though
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:07:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
tinypic.com/a59a3p.jpg

The Bone is the Baddass!



I have this painting in my home.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:11:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I've never had the chance to see a B2 in person, so I'm really suprised how small they are when compared to an F15. THought they'd be a lot bigger.

Ever see a B-29 or B-17 at an airshow? Not very big, either.
And an F-15 is nearly 60' in length.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:16:17 PM EDT
The real reason for this B2 and it's escort picture....they're both stuck at Anderson AFB for four months and it gives the PA guys something to do.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 12:31:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:03:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By uglygun:

Originally Posted By vito113:
tinypic.com/a59a3p.jpg

The Bone is the Baddass!



I have this painting in my home.



Me too...Dru Blair rocks.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:21:07 PM EDT

YB-49 traffic pattern
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:27:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 1:55:40 PM EDT by CFII]
People, think photo op in the first couple of picks. The B2 would NOT be escorted by NON stealth fighters, and esp. not F15 Mudbugs. Those F15s are ground attack aircraft.


Cool pics tho.


EDIT TO Clarify: I know the B2 is not escorted in combat. I was just saying of all the aircraft in the US inventory, the F15E would be at the bottom of the list. Sheesh.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:27:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:29:50 PM EDT
This pic, where the angle shows both wings, makes me think of the Angel of Death whenever I see it.



Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:32:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 1:32:49 PM EDT
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