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Posted: 12/16/2016 8:02:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 8:05:24 AM EST by Mal_means_bad]
Your daily dose of leftist cognitive dissonance: seating Clinton would be a kamikaze run for the electoral college, and that would be a good thing because the electoral college is bad for America

CNN

There is still one idea with the power not only to end a Trump administration, but also to eradicate democracy's ugliest anachronism -- the Electoral College. Thirty-eight faithless electors from states Trump won switching their votes to Clinton would do it. Regardless of your political affiliation, it would be the best possible thing for America in the long run.

The Electoral College has contradicted the popular vote in two of the last five presidential elections, electing a Republican president in both those splits. Not surprisingly, many Democrats already favor abolishing it. The system favors the GOP because too many liberal voters live in too few (primarily coastal) states.

But the obstacles required to eliminate the Electoral College -- passing a constitutional amendment via two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states -- are unlikely to be overcome without GOP support. And Republicans tend to support the system for the same reasons Democrats don't -- it favors them.

However, if enough Trump electors voted for Clinton instead, it would give Republicans their own, distinct reason to loathe the Electoral College: There's nothing to prevent it from going so rogue that it elects the opposite party's candidate.

Were this to occur, there would be the bipartisan support needed to legislate it out of existence. This archaic safeguard from our Founding Fathers, created to stop an unfit leader from becoming president but having the modern effect of blocking the will of the people, will have proved its harmfulness to everyone. The flipping of the presidency from Trump to Clinton would be collateral damage or a big fat bonus, depending on which side of the aisle you sit.
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Too bad, we're a Republic.

Also, the Electoral College was one of the items put in specifically so the smaller states would agree to the idea of the Republic at all. Obviously if we get rid of that we should get to renegotiate the whole thing.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:07:37 AM EST
Great plan - give all the power to the few heavily populated (and liberal) states.

Oh wait - that really is their plan.

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:07:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Spade:


Too bad, we're a Republic.

Also, the Electoral College was one of the items put in specifically so the smaller states would agree to the idea of the Republic at all. Obviously if we get rid of that we should get to renegotiate the whole thing.
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Originally Posted By Spade:
There is still one idea with the power not only to end a Trump administration, but also to eradicate democracy's ugliest anachronism -- the Electoral College


Too bad, we're a Republic.

Also, the Electoral College was one of the items put in specifically so the smaller states would agree to the idea of the Republic at all. Obviously if we get rid of that we should get to renegotiate the whole thing.


FPNI
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:09:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 8:09:46 AM EST by Patriot556]
CNN can move to China where they have Communist mob rule voting.

Nothing more than Safe Space non-sense. Again, another fine example where in this country public schools fail its citizenry teaching young minds American history and Civics.

Oh, the Feelz.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:09:40 AM EST
When they thought Clinton was going to win they love the EC.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:09:54 AM EST
The leftists only like democratic action when it can be used to eradicate democracy. Ours is a republic specifically to avoid the tyranny of the mob.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:11:54 AM EST
Wet dream
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:12:38 AM EST
Will this temper tantrum last 4 years?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:13:46 AM EST
Its not cognitive dissonance. 

Its an orchestrated, coordinated, focus group tested and carefully calibrated part of a full court press that, (coupled no doubt with death threats, blackmail, bribes, flattery, and other corrupt fuckery) is specifically designed to effect a bloodless coup and to set the table in terms of the 'mindspace' of the public to swallow the result.   

The machine, which consists of the aristocratic class of moneyed gentry, the Dem and Rep elites, and the media/entertainment/lobbying complex, is not happy.  The machine is used to getting what it wants.  It will pull out all the stops to continue to hold onto power.   Obama's press conference today will be tailored to this campaign.   
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:15:40 AM EST
If we get rid of the electoral college, then essentially every state submits to the tyranny of New York and California.

There's no reason for the union to exist at that point.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:17:43 AM EST
Without the Electoral College it is entirely possible that a candidate could lose the popular vote in every single state except California and carry the national popular vote. 1 state versus 49 states but that sounds fair right?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:18:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kill-9:
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or 8 or 12 if another R gets elected...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:20:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ztug:
Without the Electoral College it is entirely possible that a candidate could lose the popular vote in every single state except California and carry the national popular vote. 1 state versus 49 states but that sounds fair right?
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To a liberal as long as a D wins it's fair.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:20:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Your daily dose of leftist cognitive dissonance: seating Clinton would be a kamikaze run for the electoral college, and that would be a good thing because the electoral college is bad for America

CNN

There is still one idea with the power not only to end a Trump administration, but also to eradicate democracy's ugliest anachronism -- the Electoral College. Thirty-eight faithless electors from states Trump won switching their votes to Clinton would do it. Regardless of your political affiliation, it would be the best possible thing for America in the long run.

The Electoral College has contradicted the popular vote in two of the last five presidential elections, electing a Republican president in both those splits. Not surprisingly, many Democrats already favor abolishing it. The system favors the GOP because too many liberal voters live in too few (primarily coastal) states.

But the obstacles required to eliminate the Electoral College -- passing a constitutional amendment via two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states -- are unlikely to be overcome without GOP support. And Republicans tend to support the system for the same reasons Democrats don't -- it favors them.

However, if enough Trump electors voted for Clinton instead, it would give Republicans their own, distinct reason to loathe the Electoral College: There's nothing to prevent it from going so rogue that it elects the opposite party's candidate.

Were this to occur, there would be the bipartisan support needed to legislate it out of existence. This archaic safeguard from our Founding Fathers, created to stop an unfit leader from becoming president but having the modern effect of blocking the will of the people, will have proved its harmfulness to everyone. The flipping of the presidency from Trump to Clinton would be collateral damage or a big fat bonus, depending on which side of the aisle you sit.
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Um go fuck yourselves?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:24:47 AM EST
Subversion.

Hang 'em.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:28:09 AM EST
Lol
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:28:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
If we get rid of the electoral college, then essentially every state submits to the tyranny of New York and California.

There's no reason for the union to exist at that point.
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This. Without a doubt, this.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:31:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Kopterdoctor:
When they thought Clinton was going to win they love the EC.
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When Bill won because of the EC, they loved the EC.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:49:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kill-9:
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FOR CENTURIES.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:50:08 AM EST
Brilliant.
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:53:01 AM EST
had the Bitch won strictly by the Electoral College would media be suggesting the same thing? would they be demanding the end to the electoral college? The longer I live the more I appreciate the wisdom of our Founding Fathers and damn the stupidity of the alt-left, the progressives, the dems, the communists, the rinos, and the malcontents of every stripe.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:54:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kallnojoy:
Great plan - give all the power to the few heavily populated (and liberal) states.

Oh wait - that really is their plan.
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why do you think that all their sustainability plans for the country call for large tracts of fly over country to be depopulated and restricted?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:55:45 AM EST
every now and then I accidentally see CNN and it is astounding how fucking stupid and desperate they are.  That shit should not be allowed.  It is such propaganda.

If I ever meet any CNN employee in person, I am kicking them in the crotch.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:56:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kill-9:
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with both Bushs didn't last? with Reagan? Ford? Nixon?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:57:08 AM EST
CNN is pathetic
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:57:35 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:02:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 9:07:05 AM EST by OldArmy]
Eisenhower said it best, this country can only be destroyed from within. These people are the enemy of this republic.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:04:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DefenderAO:
CNN is pathetic
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It was on at Dairy Queen last night. They reported on nothing but Trump. "Oh, Trump did this. Trump did that. Bad Trump." No other news, nothing. They should just change their name to TNN.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:05:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
If we get rid of the electoral college, then essentially every state submits to the tyranny of New York and California.

There's no reason for the union to exist at that point.
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Yeah but thats the reason they dont teach Constitutional History anymore. They want the serfs to thinks, "whaddafuck Eeelectoral who"?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:06:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Spade:


Too bad, we're a Republic.

Also, the Electoral College was one of the items put in specifically so the smaller states would agree to the idea of the Republic at all. Obviously if we get rid of that we should get to renegotiate the whole thing.
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Good luck getting 3/5s of the states to agree to bowing to three states.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:06:24 AM EST
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There is still one idea with the power not only to end a Trump administration, but also to eradicate democracy's ugliest anachronism -- the Electoral College
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it lost them their slaves in the 1860's
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:09:27 AM EST
Who else is sick of always hearing "democracy" WE ARE A REPUBLIC!

I swear if just go out and ask every day people which America is almost everyone has been brainwashed into thinking were a democracy.

Pure democracy is evil.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:11:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
If we get rid of the electoral college, then essentially every state submits to the tyranny of New York and California.

There's no reason for the union to exist at that point.
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Well, hello, District One...


Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:13:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:13:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By USAF77:


Yeah but thats the reason they dont teach Constitutional History anymore. They want the serfs to thinks, "whaddafuck Eeelectoral who"?
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Ding danget Ding!

Democrats have been pushing their agenda in public education, and they're getting exactly what they have been after all along. Our children. How many Americans really know our history outside of the VERY limited amount taught now days?

Shit I'm only 32, and have read and educated myself on so much more than I was ever taught by any teacher. It's scary how much is left out. Take for example our distaste for Muslimsale goes waaaaaaaay back to shortly after the birth our counary, but almost no one realizeshould that or why.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:22:06 AM EST
When does this shit end?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:28:52 AM EST
They are fine when "flyover country" is rendered powerless, but get bent out of shape when the system allows a victory when a state like CA is disregarded by the victorious.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:29:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
They are fine when "flyover country" is rendered powerless, but get bent out of shape when the system allows a victory when a state like CA is disregarded by the victorious.
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Yup.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:35:42 AM EST
Let me get this straight....

They want the electoral college to use their power to hand the Presidency to Clinton, thus demonstrating that no one should have that power? What kind of whack-a-doodle insanity is that?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:39:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Your daily dose of leftist cognitive dissonance: seating Clinton would be a kamikaze run for the electoral college, and that would be a good thing because the electoral college is bad for America

CNN

There is still one idea with the power not only to end a Trump administration, but also to eradicate democracy's ugliest anachronism -- the Electoral College. Thirty-eight faithless electors from states Trump won switching their votes to Clinton would do it. Regardless of your political affiliation, it would be the best possible thing for America in the long run.

The Electoral College has contradicted the popular vote in two of the last five presidential elections, electing a Republican president in both those splits. Not surprisingly, many Democrats already favor abolishing it. The system favors the GOP because too many liberal voters live in too few (primarily coastal) states.

But the obstacles required to eliminate the Electoral College -- passing a constitutional amendment via two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the states -- are unlikely to be overcome without GOP support. And Republicans tend to support the system for the same reasons Democrats don't -- it favors them.

However, if enough Trump electors voted for Clinton instead, it would give Republicans their own, distinct reason to loathe the Electoral College: There's nothing to prevent it from going so rogue that it elects the opposite party's candidate.

Were this to occur, there would be the bipartisan support needed to legislate it out of existence. This archaic safeguard from our Founding Fathers, created to stop an unfit leader from becoming president but having the modern effect of blocking the will of the people, will have proved its harmfulness to everyone. The flipping of the presidency from Trump to Clinton would be collateral damage or a big fat bonus, depending on which side of the aisle you sit.
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These people are real weapons grade morons.

First, if that happened in a state that went to Trump, you would never hear about it. The electors do not vote in public. You never really know how they voted. The state certifies their results and sends it to Congress. So say a bunch in TX flipped. The state would quietly replace them with ones that would vote the right way and it would be done. This is actually their prerogative under the Constitution.

Second, It cannot be legislated out of existence. Do they actually think that they could get enough rural states to ratify that crazy amendment? Thats twilight zone shit right there. People in Wyoming have ZERO in common with people in San Fran
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:39:50 AM EST
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We ate a 8 year crap sandwich. Your turn libtards
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:41:35 AM EST
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I'm hoping for at least 8.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:45:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By joker581:


Well, there's nothing to prevent it if it happens and they get away with it. If it happens and faithless electors end up getting shotgunned in their driveways or living the rest of their lives in constant fear, future electors will probably opt to stick to their jobs without any extra shenanigans.
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Yeah.

Pretty much.

You fuck over my family and my livelihood, be prepared to reap the whirlwind.

NYC is going to need metal detectors to get through the tunnels and bridges to manhattan.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:47:30 AM EST
My electoral college conversation with liberals- I just ask who won the world series this year, and why they were allowed to win if they didn't score more overall runs.

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:48:11 AM EST
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When one culture eliminates the other. We are beyond compromise.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:49:09 AM EST
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Probably 8 years.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:52:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By daoliver924:


These people are real weapons grade morons.

First, if that happened in a state that went to Trump, you would never hear about it. The electors do not vote in public. You never really know how they voted. The state certifies their results and sends it to Congress. So say a bunch in TX flipped. The state would quietly replace them with ones that would vote the right way and it would be done. This is actually their prerogative under the Constitution.

Second, It cannot be legislated out of existence. Do they actually think that they could get enough rural states to ratify that crazy amendment? Thats twilight zone shit right there. People in Wyoming have ZERO in common with people in San Fran
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Yep, the electoral college is not like Obamacare, established through a budget reconciliation. Article II, Section 1, Clause 3: Electoral College
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