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Posted: 3/25/2009 11:21:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 5:35:08 PM EDT by ChinoUSMC]
The CNN Wire Latest updates on top stories « Back to Blog Main
March 25th, 2009
Air Force jet crashes in California
Posted: 02:42 PM ET

From Mike Mount
CNN Pentagon Producer

WASHINGTON (CNN) — An Air Force F-22A fighter jet crashed Wednesday near Edwards Air Force Base in California, Air Force officials said.

The single-seater crashed about 10:30 a.m. (1:30 p.m. ET) for unknown reasons, the officials said.

The status of the pilot was unknown.

The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed about 35 miles northeast of Edwards AFB, where it was stationed, the Air Force said in a news release.

At $150 million apiece, the F-22A is the most expensive Air Force jet.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:22:51 AM EDT
I hope pilot is O.K.


Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:22:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 11:23:24 AM EDT by TearsInRain]
The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:24:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Oakley:
I hope pilot is O.K.

+1
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:24:30 AM EDT
That's ALOT of money down the drain.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:25:47 AM EDT
IN. ON. ONE.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:25:48 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:26:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ChinoUSMC:
The CNN Wire Latest updates on top stories « Back to Blog Main
March 25th, 2009
Air Force jet crashes in California
Posted: 02:42 PM ET

From Mike Mount
CNN Pentagon Producer

WASHINGTON (CNN) — An Air Force F-22A fighter jet crashed Wednesday near Edwards Air Force Base in California, Air Force officials said.

The single-seater crashed about 10:30 a.m. (1:30 p.m. ET) for unknown reasons, the officials said.

The status of the pilot was unknown.

The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed about 35 miles northeast of Edwards AFB, where it was stationed, the Air Force said in a news release.

At $150 million apiece, the F-22A is the most expensive Air Force jet.


I'm pretty sure the AF has more expensive jets in the inventory .

Hope the pilot got out. Sucks to lose an F-22 though.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:26:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TearsInRain:
The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed



Edwards is a test wing. Not much to be surprised about.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:26:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
That's ALOT of money down the drain.


Meh, just one round of AIG bonus checks

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:26:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ChinoUSMC:

The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed about 35 miles northeast of Edwards AFB, where it was stationed, the Air Force said in a news release.





Flight test is inherently risky business. No telling what went wrong...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:27:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
That's ALOT of money down the drain.


That's why they do test flights, to find problems that cause these crashes early. So they can save lives later on. Cuz 150 million dollars isn't worth a life.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:29:58 AM EDT
With as few F-22's as we have, and as many as we need, it really is huge loss. It's not like Komrad obama will allow for a replacement to be purchased.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:30:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Oakley:
I hope pilot is O.K.





+100

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:31:14 AM EDT
The aircraft is actually substantially more expensive than $150 million once you factor in the R&D costs.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:31:15 AM EDT
I hope the pilot is ok. Test flights can be pretty hairy, trying to make things break or pushing the limits. I used to hate test flights on Huey's after a engine or transmission overhaul.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:32:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AKSig:
Originally Posted By ChinoUSMC:
The CNN Wire Latest updates on top stories « Back to Blog Main
March 25th, 2009
Air Force jet crashes in California
Posted: 02:42 PM ET

From Mike Mount
CNN Pentagon Producer

WASHINGTON (CNN) — An Air Force F-22A fighter jet crashed Wednesday near Edwards Air Force Base in California, Air Force officials said.

The single-seater crashed about 10:30 a.m. (1:30 p.m. ET) for unknown reasons, the officials said.

The status of the pilot was unknown.

The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed about 35 miles northeast of Edwards AFB, where it was stationed, the Air Force said in a news release.

At $150 million apiece, the F-22A is the most expensive Air Force jet.


I'm pretty sure the AF has more expensive jets in the inventory .

Hope the pilot got out. Sucks to lose an F-22 though.

Yes we do, I mean B-2s are about $2B each.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:33:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 11:34:24 AM EDT by nova96]
Just spoke with a guy I work with who used to work F-16 flight test out at Edwards during the same time F-22 was undergoing its first phases of flight test.

He said if he had to put $$ on it, that it was probably the structurual test bird because its the one that does crazy multi-G test maneuvers, the electronics and avionics test birds stick around the 1G manuever range.

He also said its not a good sign that the condition of the pilot is unknown...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:35:00 AM EDT
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:37:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TearsInRain:
The fighter was on a test mission when it crashed




Engineer marks an F- on clipboard.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:40:04 AM EDT
I thought F-22 cost more than 150 million? I hope the pilot is ok.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:42:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Torque556:
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
That's ALOT of money down the drain.


That's why they do test flights, to find problems that cause these crashes early. So they can save lives later on. Cuz 150 million dollars isn't worth a life.


Every life lost is tragic, but make no mistake, we ARE expendable.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:43:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 11:55:33 AM EDT by nova96]
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


I think you answered you're own question. The F-22 had just debuted and the pilots were still learning how to utilize it as they transfered from F-15 squadrons. The same effect has been documented before with other aircraft. On top of that new pilots typically do better on new airframes than old transitioning pilots because they have no "pre-programmed" notions of how to fly it.

Silent Eagle Is what you are essentially talking about and what you end up with is a bird that is still not as capable as the F-22...

ETA

Just got confirmation that it was the structural test bird...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:43:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


The F-15 is garbage compared to the current F-22. The F-22 had and still has kinks to work out, but with what we have now, it curb stomps the F-15. The F-22 can go up against 15 F-15s and come out on top, without even getting locked on to. I've heard pilots say they've been tailed closely by an F-22 and not even know it was there. They really are wicked.

The F-15 is being upgraded, and being made more "stealthy" now, but we're still getting rid of them, and pretty much only doing the upgrades for foreign countries.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:44:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 11:45:20 AM EDT by Dave_A]
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


That's because Yeager, Olds, and the rest have been in a shit-ton of REAL dogfights... Not just training...

The man has what, 12 or 13 confirmed kills?

I doubt we've got anyone serving in the AF who's beein in more than 3....

Experience can make up for a 1-generation gap in equipment capability, easy enough...

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:45:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shoot-To-KIll:
I thought F-22 cost more than 150 million? I hope the pilot is ok.


When they magically get rid of R&D costs, they are about 150 million a pop.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:45:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.

The fact that a legendary pilot was able to overcome a massive technological disadvantage doesn't mean we should trade our best warplane for less advanced aircraft. Using that logic, we might as well scrap the both the F-22s and F-15s and go back to P-51s...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:47:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


That was probably using guns and Yeagar is the best there is in that type of fight. But other than that, whenever they trained against other aircraft, the F-22 won and didn't even come close to breaking a sweat. The F-22 is THE BEST fighter on the planet, it's way ahead of the field. It will take the commies another 30 years before they can make something to even challenge it.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:49:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.

Stealth. Also, I'm not sure the F-15 airframe could be made to supercruise. Those are two very big advantages in the real world.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:50:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.




Never heard of this incident with Yeager. Is it online anywhere?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:56:51 AM EDT
Our military is on a roll....
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:58:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shoot-To-KIll:
I thought F-22 cost more than 150 million? I hope the pilot is ok.

The numbers change, if they published the true cost of a single aircraft being higher than the entire "AIG issue", the "AIG issue" would lose the perspective they are pushing for.

Hope the pilot is OK.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:59:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank:
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.




Never heard of this incident with Yeager. Is it online anywhere?

I've never heard of it either. I'd be inclined to say it's complete bullshit myself. We don't take prototype test airplanes and haphazardly dogfight them with whatever retired general wanders around. The "cocky young combat pilot" testing an F-22 would be a very experienced Major or LtCol, with a lot of hours and quals, not some wet behind the ears young punk. In fact we just graduated the very first class of initial entry F-22 pilots less than a year ago. The F-22 had a 144-0 kill ratio in Northern Edge 06, I find it hard to believe that all those badass combat hardened F/A-18, F-15, and F-16 pilots couldn't kill a single Raptor.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 11:59:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By THellURider:
Our military is on a roll....

Care to clarify this statement?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:00:08 PM EDT
Hope the pilot is ok. I used to live at Edwards and my dad works with the F-22 at Lockheed.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:01:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 12:01:11 PM EDT by ArmyInfantryVet]
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By THellURider:
Our military is on a roll....

Care to clarify this statement?


Talking about all the military plane crashes as of late.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:01:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


That's because Chuck Yeager is one of, if not THE best, fighter pilots in this nation's history.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:02:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By THellURider:
Our military is on a roll....

Care to clarify this statement?


Talking about all the military plane crashes as of late.
Have there been that many? I know there has been a couple, but there are always going to be aviation incidents. I haven't noticed an unusual amount.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:04:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.



In 2000, Chuck Yeager was 77 years old. You sure he was dogfighting and beating an F-22 at that age?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:04:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By THellURider:
Our military is on a roll....

Care to clarify this statement?


Talking about all the military plane crashes as of late.
Have there been that many? I know there has been a couple, but there are always going to be aviation incidents. I haven't noticed an unusual amount.



I didn't say it, but sadly, there has been more crashes than usual, lately.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:07:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By THellURider:
Our military is on a roll....

Care to clarify this statement?


Talking about all the military plane crashes as of late.
Have there been that many? I know there has been a couple, but there are always going to be aviation incidents. I haven't noticed an unusual amount.



I didn't say it, but sadly, there has been more crashes than usual, lately.

There are also a ton of military flights everyday.

Here, I have a steady stream of NAS flights overhead pretty much all day long...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:08:40 PM EDT
chuck yeager was still flying when the F22 came around?

........that man is one of the few who are America personified.



Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:14:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 12:16:08 PM EDT by modnar]
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


Hmm. I don't hearing about that, but I was a lot younger back then. I remember Chuck Yeager was at Edwards during the 1997 Air Show flying an F-15D.

Here's a photo I took back then:
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:20:14 PM EDT
I just got an update on what they were testing. I'd rather not say what but it wasn't anything that should be exceedingly dangerous...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:26:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 12:27:27 PM EDT by THellURider]
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By THellURider:
Our military is on a roll....

Care to clarify this statement?


Talking about all the military plane crashes as of late.
Have there been that many? I know there has been a couple, but there are always going to be aviation incidents. I haven't noticed an unusual amount.



I didn't say it, but sadly, there has been more crashes than usual, lately.


Then there's the Navy...

Ran a Cruiser aground outside of Pearl Harbor,

and then a 688 and a brand new Amphib collided.




Like I said, they're on a roll.

Clear enough?

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:29:30 PM EDT
Still no word on the status of the pilot.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:34:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 12:37:15 PM EDT by Brohawk]
Originally Posted By warlord:
Still no word on the status of the pilot.


Now they're reportnig pilot ejected/unhurt.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:34:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By modnar:
Originally Posted By JAMES77257:
Why didn't they just update, and re-start production on F-15's? I was at Edwards in 2000 when they debuted the F-22. They had a dogfight demo with Chuck Yeagar st the stick of a F-15, and a cocky ass young combat pilot behind the F-22. Chuck's old ass owned the youngster.


Hmm. I don't hearing about that, but I was a lot younger back then. I remember Chuck Yeager was at Edwards during the 1997 Air Show flying an F-15D.

Here's a photo I took back then: <a href="http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/modnar58/yeageredwards97.jpg" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/modnar58/th_yeageredwards97.jpg</a>


Was it in October?

If so, I believe that might have been his last official flight in an F-15 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of him breaking the sound barrier.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:34:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By warlord:
Still no word on the status of the pilot.


Now they're reportnig pilot elected/unhurt.


Who'd he elect?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:37:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AKSig:
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By warlord:
Still no word on the status of the pilot.


Now they're reportnig pilot elected/unhurt.


Who'd he elect?


Doh!

Most likely to depart his aircraft?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:39:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By AKSig:
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By warlord:
Still no word on the status of the pilot.


Now they're reportnig pilot elected/unhurt.


Who'd he elect?


Doh!

Most likely to depart his aircraft?




Good news.
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