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Posted: 12/11/2013 5:05:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2013 6:40:44 AM EDT by Prime]
To ~365,000, most of that through state exchanges.  

In their defense, even they seem to know that sucks.  

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:07:11 AM EDT
Though the web-site has problems the problem isn't the web-site. It is that the govt is making you buy something because you are alive.
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Though the web-site has problems the problem isn't the web-site. It is that the govt is making you buy something because you are alive.
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Converting oxygen to carbon dioxide isn't a right.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:09:07 AM EDT
I also see major news networks claiming his approval rating jumped and his disapproval rating declined. I'm the King of England and my penis is eighteen inches long.
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  Converting oxygen to carbon dioxide isn't a right.
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Originally Posted By BIKECOP29:
Originally Posted By 1cheapshot:
Though the web-site has problems the problem isn't the web-site. It is that the govt is making you buy something because you are alive.

  Converting oxygen to carbon dioxide isn't a right.


You didn't phosphorylate that.

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:11:41 AM EDT
A story from an regime propaganda source and anyone believes it?

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:15:41 AM EDT
Yeah and I'd bet 364,999 are getting fucking subsidies to pay for their healthcare insurance.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:17:20 AM EDT
With the pre-existing conditions bar removed, a large swath of the country is better off paying the fine and signing up for a policy after they get hurt/sick.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:17:38 AM EDT
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Yeah and I'd bet 364,999 are getting fucking subsidies to pay for their healthcare insurance.
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Or more like 364,999 are fucking MediCare, even worse...



Nobody with common sense is signing up for this BS, only people getting free shit.



Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:19:36 AM EDT
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If you like your Krebs cycle, you can keep it.
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However, ATP is now a taxable commodity
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Or more like 364,999 are fucking MediCare, even worse...



Nobody with common sense is signing up for this BS, only people getting free shit.



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Originally Posted By TheLastResort:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Yeah and I'd bet 364,999 are getting fucking subsidies to pay for their healthcare insurance.



Or more like 364,999 are fucking MediCare, even worse...



Nobody with common sense is signing up for this BS, only people getting free shit.





Yup.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:21:32 AM EDT
So it went from 1 to 4 ?
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Hooker with a cold sore.
Even if they get the website fixed, that just makes the cold sore go away.
It's still a hooker with herpes.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:22:22 AM EDT
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I think they are including people signing up for Medicaid - and that's most of that 365,000!
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:23:36 AM EDT
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And the majority are medicaid, I'm guessing.
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Originally Posted By Kutu:
I think they are including people signing up for Medicaid - and that's most of that 365,000!
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I read another article that showed around 1.2 million signed up in addition to this group who were all medicaid qualified.  Remember medicaid expanded as part of Obamacare.  Out of 1.6 million who signed up, this paltry number actually qualified for a real O-care plan instead of medicaid.  Many, if not most, are probably heavily subsidized.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:25:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:






To ~365,000, most of that through state exchanges.  





In their defense, even they seem to know that sucks.  





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In other news, another 4 million Americans lost the healthcare they were promised by Obama they could keep last month





 
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Originally Posted By TheLastResort:



Or more like 364,999 are fucking MediCare Medicaid, even worse...



Nobody with common sense is signing up for this BS, only people getting free shit.



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Originally Posted By TheLastResort:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Yeah and I'd bet 364,999 are getting fucking subsidies to pay for their healthcare insurance.



Or more like 364,999 are fucking MediCare Medicaid, even worse...



Nobody with common sense is signing up for this BS, only people getting free shit.





Slight correction to fit my impression of what has been reported.
Which is even worse than Medicare.

If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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The website can now handle 50,000 people at a time.  Assuming it takes three hours to complete, that's potentially a few hundred thousand enrollments a day.  The federal exchange has a little over 100,000 right now.   Pretty soon they'll have to admit that the technology isn't the problem.  

I totally believe it.  

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:26:18 AM EDT
Look, teacher, I finished my homework!



Barry, that homework was due a month ago.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:26:55 AM EDT
I believe the Obamamath itself requires 5,000,000 signed up on exchange plans, not medicaid, by March 1st to be solvent.
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
I guarantee those enrollment skew heavily Medicaid/subsidized, or consist of people who are already sick (and will represent a net cost to the system).

They were warned about adverse selection, and death-spirals... but did any of the Democrats and their cheerleaders listen?  

Oh no... that was just a bunch of racist Tea Party talking-points.  

How do you like me now?  
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Without expanding the pool of people with insurance or going single payer how should though people get affordable coverage?
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Today's prepared remarks for the Hearing.

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The Affordable Care Act is more than a website. In addition to offering uninsured Americans affordable coverage options starting in 2014, the law has already provided new benefits and protections to Americans with health insurance. We are committed to continually improving the experience for consumers using HealthCare.gov so that Americans can easily access the quality, affordable health coverage they need, and that the Affordable Care Act fully delivers on its promise.
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Without expanding the pool of people with insurance or going single payer how should though people get affordable coverage?
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
I guarantee those enrollment skew heavily Medicaid/subsidized, or consist of people who are already sick (and will represent a net cost to the system).

They were warned about adverse selection, and death-spirals... but did any of the Democrats and their cheerleaders listen?  

Oh no... that was just a bunch of racist Tea Party talking-points.  

How do you like me now?  


Without expanding the pool of people with insurance or going single payer how should though people get affordable coverage?


By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.

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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


I guarantee those enrollment skew heavily Medicaid/subsidized, or consist of people who are already sick (and will represent a net cost to the system).

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Yep.  The free gubbment cheese crowd will sign up first.  



 
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By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.

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That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
I guarantee those enrollment skew heavily Medicaid/subsidized, or consist of people who are already sick (and will represent a net cost to the system).

They were warned about adverse selection, and death-spirals... but did any of the Democrats and their cheerleaders listen?  

Oh no... that was just a bunch of racist Tea Party talking-points.  

How do you like me now?  
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Well, OF COURSE, that's how the numbers must be going.

I would imagine even the average dumbfuck libtard would admit that.

Oh wait............they are the one's applying for the subsidies.
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:

With the pre-existing conditions bar removed, a large swath of the country is better off paying the fine and signing up for a policy after they get hurt/sick.
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I thought this Obamacare bullshit was done the same way as Employer-care bullshit, i.e. if you don't sign up within the enrollment window you need to wait a year before you can get insurance.



Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:



That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.




That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?

No.  The entire premise of insurance is paying a rate based on your risk factors for x amount of covereage.  It is to hedge against the unforeseen. Should insurance companies be forced to cover someone who builds a house on a volcano, or provide flood insurance for someone who lives next to the mississppi?  Hint: they won't.  Flood coverage in most places has been under an Obamacare-type regime forever.  It is not based on sound practices or market principles.

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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

I thought this Obamacare bullshit was done the same way as Employer-care bullshit, i.e. if you don't sign up within the enrollment window you need to wait a year before you can get insurance.

Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
With the pre-existing conditions bar removed, a large swath of the country is better off paying the fine and signing up for a policy after they get hurt/sick.

I thought this Obamacare bullshit was done the same way as Employer-care bullshit, i.e. if you don't sign up within the enrollment window you need to wait a year before you can get insurance.

Am I wrong?


You are right, but the people using my logic aren't going to care.  They never had insurance before, and they aren't going to now, until the "tax penalty" becomes outrageous for them.  That will depend on income.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:42:27 AM EDT
Here is an article posted in another thread about how most who have signed up have been medicaid sign-ups.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/07/the-medicaid-time-bomb/

Enjoy the assfucking, America.
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
Here is an article posted in another thread about how most who have signed up have been medicaid sign-ups.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/07/the-medicaid-time-bomb/

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What a TOTAL clusterfuck.

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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.





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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:





Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:




Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


I guarantee those enrollment skew heavily Medicaid/subsidized, or consist of people who are already sick (and will represent a net cost to the system).





They were warned about adverse selection, and death-spirals... but did any of the Democrats and their cheerleaders listen?  





Oh no... that was just a bunch of racist Tea Party talking-points.  





How do you like me now?  






Without expanding the pool of people with insurance or going single payer how should though people get affordable coverage?






By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.








It's modeled after the successful Social Security program





Get out > Pay in



"this is going to save the taxpayers money"



"if you like your insurance you can keep it"



"if you like your doctor you can keep him"



".....fill in the blank"





 
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
No.  The entire premise of insurance is paying a rate based on your risk factors for x amount of covereage.  It is to hedge against the unforeseen. Should insurance companies be forced to cover someone who builds a house on a volcano, or provide flood insurance for someone who lives next to the mississppi?  Hint: they won't.  Flood coverage in most places has been under an Obamacare-type regime forever.  It is not based on sound practices or market principles.

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That's the premise of the law.  Society decided everyone should have access to medical care and the way to do that in the free market is to expand the group of people paying into the system.  Apples to oranges regarding where you build a house.
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That's the premise of the law.  Society decided everyone should have access to medical care and the way to do that in the free market is to expand the group of people paying into the system.  Apples to oranges regarding where you build a house.
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
No.  The entire premise of insurance is paying a rate based on your risk factors for x amount of covereage.  It is to hedge against the unforeseen. Should insurance companies be forced to cover someone who builds a house on a volcano, or provide flood insurance for someone who lives next to the mississppi?  Hint: they won't.  Flood coverage in most places has been under an Obamacare-type regime forever.  It is not based on sound practices or market principles.



That's the premise of the law.  Society decided everyone should have access to medical care and the way to do that in the free market is to expand the group of people paying into the system.  Apples to oranges regarding where you build a house.

You can say whatever you want, but using the term "free market" anywhere near this discussion is laughable.  At least admit that.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:45:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Prime:

To ~365,000, most of that through state exchanges.  

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And how many of that number actually picked a plan? They never tell you that part.
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No... insurance is supposed to financially shield you from an unlikely, FUTURE calamity, by paying a nominal amount now, and pooling risk with like-minded others.  In essence, it's a bet against yourself.  If you "win" the bet by having bad luck of whatever sort, you can be made whole financially through the paid contributions of others.

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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.




That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?


No... insurance is supposed to financially shield you from an unlikely, FUTURE calamity, by paying a nominal amount now, and pooling risk with like-minded others.  In essence, it's a bet against yourself.  If you "win" the bet by having bad luck of whatever sort, you can be made whole financially through the paid contributions of others.


Look at you, getting all smart and shit.
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And how many of that number actually picked a plan? They never tell you that part.
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Originally Posted By Prime:

To ~365,000, most of that through state exchanges.  

In their defense, even they seem to know that sucks.  


And how many of that number actually picked a plan? They never tell you that part.

That is the number that picked (signed up for) a plan.  They need 5,000,000 to sign up by March for their already failed math to have a shot.
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
You can say whatever you want, but using the term "free market" anywhere near this discussion is laughable.  At least admit that.
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I'll grant you that.  I should have said private insurers.
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Fox News is reporting Sebelius is going to call for an IG investigation into Heathcare.gov., which means she will be able to say "I can't comment due to an investigation".
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:


That's the premise of the law.  Society decided everyone should have access to medical care and the way to do that in the free market is to expand the group of people paying into the system.  Apples to oranges regarding where you build a house.
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
No.  The entire premise of insurance is paying a rate based on your risk factors for x amount of covereage.  It is to hedge against the unforeseen. Should insurance companies be forced to cover someone who builds a house on a volcano, or provide flood insurance for someone who lives next to the mississppi?  Hint: they won't.  Flood coverage in most places has been under an Obamacare-type regime forever.  It is not based on sound practices or market principles.



That's the premise of the law.  Society decided everyone should have access to medical care and the way to do that in the free market is to expand the group of people paying into the system.  Apples to oranges regarding where you build a house.


WUT!!??

Not sure if serious?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:47:28 AM EDT
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I'm shopping for insurance right now. I went to my states exchange and it was a cluster fuck.

I couldn't type in my birthdate, I had to copy and paste in each number one at a time. And I had to type the policy start date in backwards because the cursor kept bumping all the way over to the left.

After that I punch in my zip code and hit submit. The computer in the sky then spits out 0 policies that I can choose from.  

How fucking hard is this shit?


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I'll grant you that.  I should have said quasi-private insurers.
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
You can say whatever you want, but using the term "free market" anywhere near this discussion is laughable.  At least admit that.



I'll grant you that.  I should have said quasi-private insurers.

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a LOT of people do. it's thre reason this ship will never be righted.

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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:



That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.




That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?


Nope.  Insurance is risk mitigation.  Higher risk, higher cost.
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So a working class guy, who has a medical condition, and loses his coverage along with his job should just... die?  Can't imagine why people don't support that system.
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Nope.  Insurance is risk mitigation.  Higher risk, higher cost.
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
By paying a shitload more?  It's called insurance for a reason.  People forgot that.  I don't know how people think you can buy into a system for pennies on the dollar and expect that system to stay afloat.




That's why I said affordable and isn't that the entire premise of insurance?


Nope.  Insurance is risk mitigation.  Higher risk, higher cost.



Not unless we force everyone to buy, then shift the high risk costs on to low risk people..... Hmmmm...
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However, ATP is now a taxable commodity
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:


If you like your Krebs cycle, you can keep it.


However, ATP is now a taxable commodity


Fuck 'em  They will get my Cyclic AMP when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
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