CCW assists wounded LEO and ventilates BG in Dallas

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Posted: 8/12/2007 8:15:34 AM EDT

www.nbc5i.com/news/13874238/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Officer Wounded, 3 Dead In Interstate Shootout

POSTED: 8:17 am CDT August 12, 2007
UPDATED: 8:49 am CDT August 12, 2007

DALLAS -- Three people were killed and a Dallas police officer wounded in a bizarre shootout on Interstate 35 early Sunday morning.

Police were called to a "major accident" on the interstate about 2:15 a.m. When they arrived, they found two people suffering bullet wounds, laying on the freeway several yards apart, police said.

As two officers were trying to help the victims, someone fired on them, striking Cpl. Jerry Poston, a 17-year veteran of the force, police said.

As Poston's partner frantically called for help, several passersby stopped to assist. They, too, were fired on. One of those passersby returned to his car, grabbed a handgun and shot down the suspected gunman, police said.

Poston was listed in serious but stable condition at Methodist Central Hospital in Dallas, police said.

Detectives remained on the scene late Sunday morning, still trying to sort out exactly what happened and identify the people killed. All were men, they said.

Police also said they recovered a shotgun at the scene.

Southbound I-35 remained shut down between Oak Lawn Avenue and Colorado Boulevard at 8:15 a.m. Sunday.

Stay with NBC5i News and NBC5i.com for the latest details.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:17:13 AM EDT

[#1]

I hope the officer recovers, but that is a great story from a CCW stand point.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:25:10 AM EDT

[#2]

Good.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:28:25 AM EDT

[#3]

Kick-ass!

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:29:15 AM EDT

[#4]

I hope the wounded officer has a speedy recovery. Its good to see positve CCW articles in the news once in a while.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:30:43 AM EDT

[#5]

-----for the innocent and officers family !

----for the shot up POS that caused it !

Cudos to the CCW guy that helped out !!!

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:32:39 AM EDT

[#6]

While on one hand it is a good story......the CCW'er is very luck since I'm sure the responding LEO's were coming in looking for someone with a gun after hearing "shots fired" over the radio.

Its not a slam on the CCW'er as this type of situation is covered (by me) during the fireamrs training I give my officers. If your in plain clothes.......and have to act, you need to remember that responding officers may not know that you are an officer.

Glad things worked out though.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:32:42 AM EDT

[#7]

Sweeet!!!

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:35:31 AM EDT

[#8]

way to go.

Oak Lawn is a little on the "fruity" side.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:35:37 AM EDT

[#9]

Very good.

i would like to hear more details though. Was the guy firing from the woodline or something?

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:55:29 AM EDT

[#10]

Lots of things. He could have been helping one of the accident victims, he could have been moving to or under cover. The CCW was probably being ignored by the shooter and was therefore able to get his gun and do what he needed to do.

Posted: 8/12/2007 8:55:54 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
www.nbc5i.com/news/13874238/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Officer Wounded, 3 Dead In Interstate Shootout

POSTED: 8:17 am CDT August 12, 2007
UPDATED: 8:49 am CDT August 12, 2007

DALLAS -- Three people were killed and a Dallas police officer wounded in a bizarre shootout on Interstate 35 early Sunday morning.

Police were called to a "major accident" on the interstate about 2:15 a.m. When they arrived, they found two people suffering bullet wounds, laying on the freeway several yards apart, police said.

As two officers were trying to help the victims, someone fired on them, striking Cpl. Jerry Poston, a 17-year veteran of the force, police said.

As Poston's partner frantically called for help, several passersby stopped to assist. They, too, were fired on. One of those passersby returned to his car, grabbed a handgun and shot down the suspected gunman, police said.

Poston was listed in serious but stable condition at Methodist Central Hospital in Dallas, police said.

Detectives remained on the scene late Sunday morning, still trying to sort out exactly what happened and identify the people killed. All were men, they said.

Police also said they recovered a shotgun at the scene.

Southbound I-35 remained shut down between Oak Lawn Avenue and Colorado Boulevard at 8:15 a.m. Sunday.

Stay with NBC5i News and NBC5i.com for the latest details.

I don't mean to appear insensitive, but there were 2 officers present when Poston was wounded. What was the other officer doing?

Checking the trees nearby for snakes?

Speedy recovery !

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:03:10 AM EDT

[#12]

nice!

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:05:11 AM EDT

[#13]

Everybody go to boortz.com and email this to Neal so it gets airplay.

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:22:31 AM EDT

[#14]

for the CCW'er. I wonder if he actually has a CHL permit or was just carrying in his car?

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:23:03 AM EDT

[#15]

I can't wait to hear the praise from the media about the armed citizen who saved the day. <crickets>

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:26:05 AM EDT

[#16]

One of those passersby returned to his car, grabbed a handgun and shot down the suspected gunman, police said.

Suspected gunman

Let's see he shot a cop, shooting at another cop and citizens, but he's only suspected of doing it.

I would like to hear a cop say, "He stoped to help me and put two to the chest, and the Bad Guy is down.

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:27:00 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I can't wait to hear the praise from the media about the armed citizen who saved the day. <crickets>

I would hope he would get at least a thank you for being there from Texas Law enforcement. Or at the very least an atta-boy and a pat on the back.

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:27:59 AM EDT

[#18]

I've got 10 bucks(I'm poor) that says even if this makes it to the mainstream media, no one will mention that a regular old civilian saved the lives of police officers and innocent civilians by retrieving his own firearm and shooting the bad guy. If it makes it to the major news outlets, I doubt that the civilian hero is even mentioned. Great story though.

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:39:41 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
I've got 10 bucks(I'm poor) that says even if this makes it to the mainstream media, no one will mention that a regular old civilian saved the lives of police officers and innocent civilians by retrieving his own firearm and shooting the bad guy. If it makes it to the major news outlets, I doubt that the civilian hero is even mentioned. Great story though.

Send me your $10. The story listed is from NBC and it mentioned that a passerby retrieved his pistol and shot the BG. IM me for where to send the money.

Posted: 8/12/2007 9:43:10 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've got 10 bucks(I'm poor) that says even if this makes it to the mainstream media, no one will mention that a regular old civilian saved the lives of police officers and innocent civilians by retrieving his own firearm and shooting the bad guy. If it makes it to the major news outlets, I doubt that the civilian hero is even mentioned. Great story though.

Send me your $10. The story listed is from NBC and it mentioned that a passerby retrieved his pistol and shot the BG. IM me for where to send the money.

Oh, I want in that $10.00 bucks also! That's a box of .45.

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:02:18 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I can't wait to hear the praise from the media about the armed citizen who saved the day. <crickets>

I would hope he would get at least a thank you for being there from Texas Law enforcement. Or at the very least an atta-boy and a pat on the back.

I would expect that Dallas SWAT will conduct a no-knock raid on the home of the CCW-holder, drag him out in front of his home at 3:30 AM and give him a good citizen award.

And air it live on the next episode on the "Dallas SWAT" tv show.

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:07:30 PM EDT

[#22]

observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:28:47 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

Helloooo?

Active shooter trying to kill people in my car? FUCK THAT!

Maybe you missed the part where one of the people in his car got hit?

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:39:11 PM EDT

[#24]

Info is all fucked up. Heres a quote from NBC5I.com

The suspected gunman who started it all, 20-year-old Nick A. Salinas, of Cedar Hill, killed himself with the gun used in the shootings, authorities said.

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:53:39 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

Screw that. Somebody shoots at me, or my friends/family who are with me, I return fire. That's just how it is. I'm not going to sit back and "observe" them shooting at me/us, so that I can "report" it later. The BG's very next round might actually hit someone I care about, and I can't allow that to happen.

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:54:23 PM EDT

[#26]

This is one more reason to keep a trunk gun. If I'm ever in a situation like this, I'm going back to the car for the SKS!

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:55:04 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
I hope the officer recovers, but that is a great story from a CCW stand point.

The story will be squashed. It will not make nationwide news. Don't want the proles in the rest of the land to get any ideas about self-reliance, now do we?

Posted: 8/12/2007 12:58:11 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

Screw that. Somebody shoots at me, or my friends/family who are with me, I return fire. That's just how it is. I'm not going to sit back and "observe" them shooting at me/us, so that I can "report" it later. The BG's very next round might actually hit someone I care about, and I can't allow that to happen.

you really want to be in a gunfight while an officer is down and every unit within a 50 mile radius responding armed to the teeth??

Posted: 8/12/2007 1:06:21 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

I do not understand. If I am anywhere and I, or anyone, is taking incoming fire from a active shooter somewhere and I am armed sufficiently to deal with the situation then there is no way I am going to sit there and with a case of oh teh noes. I can not sit and watch innocent people die when it is in my immediate power to do something about it. Period. Much less when the shooter just gunned down an Officer in uniform responding to the accident. Heck no.

Posted: 8/12/2007 1:07:50 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

What are you,nuts?! If that "civilian" hadn't responded those officers would probably be DEAD! They should thank the lucky badges that he arrived to save the day.

Posted: 8/12/2007 1:09:50 PM EDT

[#31]

I wouldn't be surprised if the media doesn't twist it around like normal to make the passerby out to be a gunwielding maniac responsible for the situation in some way or another and the DA throws some kind of charge at him.
Either way I bet they take his gun for evidence and he doesn't get it back for a while, he's harrassed by media and the police with alot of time wasted with unneeded questioning and paperwork in the end, and is sorry he didn't just keep driving.

Posted: 8/12/2007 1:10:07 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

Screw that. Somebody shoots at me, or my friends/family who are with me, I return fire. That's just how it is. I'm not going to sit back and "observe" them shooting at me/us, so that I can "report" it later. The BG's very next round might actually hit someone I care about, and I can't allow that to happen.

you really want to be in a gunfight while an officer is down and every unit within a 50 mile radius responding armed to the teeth??

Not particularly, but fighting back sure beats dying as a result of doing nothing. Or watching my wife, or children, or friends die because of inaction. EVERY round sent my direction has a chance of HITTING me. Or someone I care about. I can't just sit back and allow it to continue on, while waiting breathlessly for the police to arrive, who are what, one, two minutes out? 30 seconds? A lot can happen in 30 seconds, and I intend to see it DOESN'T happen to me or mine.

Posted: 8/12/2007 1:20:09 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
I hope the officer recovers, but that is a great story from a CCW stand point.

Wonder how many rounds the CCW'er fired, and whether Joaquin Jackson thinks he should have been limited to five rounds.

Posted: 8/12/2007 1:25:49 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
I've got 10 bucks(I'm poor) that says even if this makes it to the mainstream media, no one will mention that a regular old civilian saved the lives of police officers and innocent civilians by retrieving his own firearm and shooting the bad guy. If it makes it to the major news outlets, I doubt that the civilian hero is even mentioned. Great story though.

<cough>Appalachain School of Law syndrome!</cough>

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:08:59 PM EDT

[#35]

I just saw this story on Fox News,
near the top of the 7:00 hour, talked about the story,
and didn't even hint at civilian involvement.

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:22:39 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
www.nbc5i.com/news/13874238/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Officer Wounded, 3 Dead In Interstate Shootout

POSTED: 8:17 am CDT August 12, 2007
UPDATED: 8:49 am CDT August 12, 2007

DALLAS -- Three people were killed and a Dallas police officer wounded in a bizarre shootout on Interstate 35 early Sunday morning.

Police were called to a "major accident" on the interstate about 2:15 a.m. When they arrived, they found two people suffering bullet wounds, laying on the freeway several yards apart, police said.

As two officers were trying to help the victims, someone fired on them, striking Cpl. Jerry Poston, a 17-year veteran of the force, police said.

As Poston's partner frantically called for help, several passersby stopped to assist. They, too, were fired on. One of those passersby returned to his car, grabbed a handgun and shot down the suspected gunman, police said.

Poston was listed in serious but stable condition at Methodist Central Hospital in Dallas, police said.

Detectives remained on the scene late Sunday morning, still trying to sort out exactly what happened and identify the people killed. All were men, they said.

Police also said they recovered a shotgun at the scene.

Southbound I-35 remained shut down between Oak Lawn Avenue and Colorado Boulevard at 8:15 a.m. Sunday.

Stay with NBC5i News and NBC5i.com for the latest details.

I don't mean to appear insensitive, but there were 2 officers present when Poston was wounded. What was the other officer doing?

Keeping the BG's attn, so the CCW'er could flank the threat.

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:24:30 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

If you want we could form up a search party to look for your judgement, and courage....

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:32:40 PM EDT

[#38]

That is precisely why I carry my M4 in the truck. Just. In. Case.

CMOS

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:34:05 PM EDT

[#39]

I'm surprised the guy only had a handgun....I mean come on, hunting season is only 3 weeks away. Half of Texas is driving around with an arsenal in their vehicle right now or at least everybody I know is

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:35:45 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

I bet the wounded corporal disagrees with you.

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:36:49 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

If you want we could form up a search party to look for your judgement, and courage....

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:45:17 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
I can't wait to hear the praise from the media about the armed citizen who saved the day. <crickets>

yep

Posted: 8/12/2007 3:47:01 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
One of those passersby returned to his car, grabbed a handgun and shot down the suspected gunman, police said.

Suspected gunman

Let's see he shot a cop, shooting at another cop and citizens, but he's only suspected of doing it.

I would like to hear a cop say, "He stoped to help me and put two to the chest, and the Bad Guy is down.

I think that the BG was found guilty of "Ag assault with a weapon" as well as "Ag assault upon a peace officer" and the sentence was carried out in situ by our unnamed good smaritan.

Posted: 8/12/2007 4:40:49 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

I agree, and the responding cops should wait for swat to show up and observe and report what is going on also. You know, like in the majority of the massacres that have happened in the past.

Posted: 8/12/2007 4:42:56 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
I don't mean to appear insensitive, but there were 2 officers present when Poston was wounded. What was the other officer doing?

Perhaps ineffectively trying to return fire....

Posted: 8/12/2007 4:44:50 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
observe and report folks.

do not engage bad guys if you are a civilian.

In this situation with one officer already seriously wounded and two other innocents already dead, engaging the shooter with lethal force was the RIGHT move.

Posted: 8/12/2007 4:46:42 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
you really want to be in a gunfight while an officer is down and every unit within a 50 mile radius responding armed to the teeth??

I would rather worry about the cops showing up than about the dimwit who is spraying bullets everywhere, including in my direction.

Besides...if the police show up and see you and the other on scene officer shooting in the same direction, they will put two and two together pretty quick.

Posted: 8/12/2007 4:47:37 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
He had to go back to his car for the pistol? Maybe the officer should buy this guy a holster as a way of thanks.

In Texas you are NOT required to be a CHL holder to keep a pistol in your car. It was probably just someone driving by.

He's saying the same thing I said, which was why the hell wasn't he carrying it on his person... Oh wait, that's right, we're talking about gun-friendly Texas.

Maybe he hadn't completed the mandatory training for his CCW permit.

Texas

Posted: 8/12/2007 4:47:56 PM EDT

[#49]

Damn, I love Texas.

Posted: 8/12/2007 5:57:13 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
www.nbc5i.com/news/13874238/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Officer Wounded, 3 Dead In Interstate Shootout

POSTED: 8:17 am CDT August 12, 2007
UPDATED: 8:49 am CDT August 12, 2007

DALLAS -- Three people were killed and a Dallas police officer wounded in a bizarre shootout on Interstate 35 early Sunday morning.

Police were called to a "major accident" on the interstate about 2:15 a.m. When they arrived, they found two people suffering bullet wounds, laying on the freeway several yards apart, police said.

As two officers were trying to help the victims, someone fired on them, striking Cpl. Jerry Poston, a 17-year veteran of the force, police said.

As Poston's partner frantically called for help, several passersby stopped to assist. They, too, were fired on. One of those passersby returned to his car, grabbed a handgun and shot down the suspected gunman, police said.

Poston was listed in serious but stable condition at Methodist Central Hospital in Dallas, police said.

Detectives remained on the scene late Sunday morning, still trying to sort out exactly what happened and identify the people killed. All were men, they said.

Police also said they recovered a shotgun at the scene.

Southbound I-35 remained shut down between Oak Lawn Avenue and Colorado Boulevard at 8:15 a.m. Sunday.

Stay with NBC5i News and NBC5i.com for the latest details.

I don't mean to appear insensitive, but there were 2 officers present when Poston was wounded. What was the other officer doing?

There was one other officer present, Poston's partner. Poston's partner went to help the people already shot, when Sr Cpl Poston was struck the partner was also shot at, who grabbed some cover to make the radio call of shots fires, officer down.

Jerry Poston took a 12 gauge to the face guys, he's lucky to be alive, and is now in good condition.

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