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Posted: 3/5/2015 9:19:43 PM EDT

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/04/19-gun-sale-fee-is-constitutional.htm


A $19 fee on every gun sale in California to fund a firearm enforcement program run by the state Department of Justice is constitutional, a federal judge ruled.

U.S. District Judge Lawrence O'Neill ruled Monday that the fee falls outside of the scope of the Second Amendment.
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Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:21:10 PM EDT
Well this doest look good for us and the proposed firearms tax to fund stupid anti bullshit.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:22:06 PM EDT
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:23:48 PM EDT
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I r dumb

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Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:24:11 PM EDT
yeah, but you can surf and ski on the same day....or some such nonsense.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:26:13 PM EDT
Argue using degrees of separation and any point can be made.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:26:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Htown156:
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.
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The only "Constitutional Right" that is not taxable is voting, as it is specifically exempted.

Of course, your logic is what is fucked. They aren't "Constitutional Rights" to begin with. They are inalienable rights given by God. But since the attitude is that a piece of paper grants rights, it is very easy for another attitude - one that holds that those rights can be abridged by paper - to gain traction.

But what the fuck do I know?
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Originally Posted By King_Mud:
So a poll tax is cool too right?

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No - there is a specific prohibition against poll tax.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:27:05 PM EDT
Bush appointed this twat too. Unbelievable.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:27:30 PM EDT
They should tack on a $19 fee to vote, so that they can fund election enforcement...
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:27:32 PM EDT
this is fun! Let's see, what else can we tax? Religious expression? Speech? Not being a slave? Women voting? Pay a tax any time you deal with a cop and they don't search you?
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:27:47 PM EDT
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The 2A has not been a right for a very long time and likely will never be again. Want to carry a gun concealed in public in most states? You need a permission slip from the .gov. Want to buy guns over state lines? You need permission from the .gov.

The 2A is now a privilege.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:28:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AllserviceBilliards:


The only "Constitutional Right" that is not taxable is voting, as it is specifically exempted.

Of course, your logic is what is fucked. They aren't "Constitutional Rights" to begin with. They are inalienable rights given by God. But since the attitude is that a piece of paper grants rights, it is very easy for another attitude - one that holds that those rights can be abridged by paper - to gain traction.

But what the fuck do I know?
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Originally Posted By AllserviceBilliards:
Originally Posted By Htown156:
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.


The only "Constitutional Right" that is not taxable is voting, as it is specifically exempted.

Of course, your logic is what is fucked. They aren't "Constitutional Rights" to begin with. They are inalienable rights given by God. But since the attitude is that a piece of paper grants rights, it is very easy for another attitude - one that holds that those rights can be abridged by paper - to gain traction.

But what the fuck do I know?


Voting should be taxed. People too cheap to pay the tax are better off not voting. Responsible, liberty minded people are much more likely to pay the tax, so, counter-intuitively, we would be freer if it were more expensive to vote.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:28:49 PM EDT
U.S. District Judge Lawrence O'Neill ruled Monday that the fee falls outside of the scope of the Second Amendment.

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Under any level of scrutiny, the DROS fee is constitutional because it places only a marginal burden on 'the core of the Second Amendment,'
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So which is it? Does it fall outside the scope of the 2nd Amendment or not?


Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:35:26 PM EDT
California, at least it's not New Jersey!

Hessian-1
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:37:06 PM EDT
Paper costs money.

Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:40:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By beardog30:
The 2A has not been a right for a very long time and likely will never be again. Want to carry a gun concealed in public in most states? You need a permission slip from the .gov. Want to buy guns over state lines? You need permission from the .gov.

The 2A is now a privilege.
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what happens when most states get constitutional carry? there are bills proposed in close to 10 states right now on top of the 5 that already have it.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:42:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Htown156:
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.
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This. Amazing. Total backdoor into a ban. Just make it unaffordable. Brilliant.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:43:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dan45678:
Bush appointed this twat too. Unbelievable.
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Fixed
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:43:38 PM EDT
Sooo, how long before they add the $19 dollar fee to each newspaper and magazine that is printed?
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:44:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By glocknick:

what happens when most states get constitutional carry? there are bills proposed in close to 10 states right now on top of the 5 that already have it.
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Originally Posted By glocknick:
Originally Posted By beardog30:
The 2A has not been a right for a very long time and likely will never be again. Want to carry a gun concealed in public in most states? You need a permission slip from the .gov. Want to buy guns over state lines? You need permission from the .gov.

The 2A is now a privilege.

what happens when most states get constitutional carry? there are bills proposed in close to 10 states right now on top of the 5 that already have it.


These judges are running against the current for sure. Generally, judges fall in line when the Federal government clear starts to move in a particular direction. I think if we see the Republicans take over the White House in 2016, and pass some pro-gun legislation, we will see some more favorable court decisions to go along with it. That, obviously, is not the way the system is supposed to work, but it's reality.
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The judge was bought & paid for. It's going to appeal. Fat lady, and all that.

ETA: This must be a DUPE, since it happened days ago....
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:47:59 PM EDT
Then you gotta pay $25 for a safety test card so you can purchase a rifle or handgun. It never ends..
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:48:45 PM EDT
And another loss in California! What a shocker. I have been criticized for saying I'm hitting the eject button on this state, but I've been here since 1997 and I'm in my 40’s now. Life is passing me by. I have more years behind me than ahead of me, and I'd rather spend them living in a free state than fighting the good fight in the People's Republic. I've served my time, voted, donated, and things have only gotten worse.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:49:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By glocknick:

what happens when most states get constitutional carry? there are bills proposed in close to 10 states right now on top of the 5 that already have it.
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Originally Posted By glocknick:
Originally Posted By beardog30:
The 2A has not been a right for a very long time and likely will never be again. Want to carry a gun concealed in public in most states? You need a permission slip from the .gov. Want to buy guns over state lines? You need permission from the .gov.

The 2A is now a privilege.

what happens when most states get constitutional carry? there are bills proposed in close to 10 states right now on top of the 5 that already have it.

It's a nice gesture but you will still need permission from the .gov to buy a gun from an FFL in those states.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:51:01 PM EDT
How is that frog soup coming along, PRK inmates?

Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:53:09 PM EDT
California never ceases to amaze America.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:53:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Sooo, how long before they add the $19 dollar fee to each newspaper and magazine that is printed?
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How about a 19 dollar fee on every Bible sold?
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:56:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Antero:
And another loss in California! What a shocker. I have been criticized for saying I'm hitting the eject button on this state, but I've been here since 1997 and I'm in my 40’s now. Life is passing me by. I have more years behind me than ahead of me, and I'd rather spend them living in a free state than fighting the good fight in the People's Republic. I've served my time, voted, donated, and things have only gotten worse.
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Yep,I went thru the same thing in NY.

Take your vote to somewhere it's useful.At this point,our only chance is to shore up the states that are pro gun and hopefully get a majority at the Federal level.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:56:30 PM EDT
Cool, bring back the poll tax.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:56:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:56:49 PM EDT
Now just make the tax $100,000 per gun/bullet, and the gun ban is complete. Way to go judge.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 9:59:26 PM EDT
Cool, next we can put a tax on free speech, you know, for the speech approval commission.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:04:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By QuanticoTactical:
Excellent!

Let's bring back the Poll Tax.

Edit: Beat by 2 seconds by a chimpanzee.
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That and for property owners only as well......
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:05:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dan45678:


Voting should be taxed. People too cheap to pay the tax are better off not voting. Responsible, liberty minded people are much more likely to pay the tax, so, counter-intuitively, we would be freer if it were more expensive to vote.
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Originally Posted By dan45678:
Originally Posted By AllserviceBilliards:
Originally Posted By Htown156:
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.


The only "Constitutional Right" that is not taxable is voting, as it is specifically exempted.

Of course, your logic is what is fucked. They aren't "Constitutional Rights" to begin with. They are inalienable rights given by God. But since the attitude is that a piece of paper grants rights, it is very easy for another attitude - one that holds that those rights can be abridged by paper - to gain traction.

But what the fuck do I know?


Voting should be taxed. People too cheap to pay the tax are better off not voting. Responsible, liberty minded people are much more likely to pay the tax, so, counter-intuitively, we would be freer if it were more expensive to vote.


Perhaps, but... genius democrats and some others in the South decided to use a poll tax to stop blacks from voting. This resulted in poll tax being prohibited. A poll tax has other problems.
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Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:08:12 PM EDT
Minneapolis Star Tribune Co. v. Commissioner would seem to disagree.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:08:33 PM EDT
Just one more reason not to live there.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:13:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Toddrick:
Now just make the tax $100,000 per gun/bullet, and the gun ban is complete. Way to go judge.
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While probably not this drastic, I am betting this decision is clearing the lane for some soon to be dropped legislation that will do something like that.
Say, oh $1 a round "environmental fee" to help save teh earf or something.

They will get to set up a bureaucracy and appoint all their buddies to enforce it. Of course it will magically cost more to enforce then what it takes in, so increases will be needed.

Guess I will say it in every thread. California is going to go apeshit this year on gun legislation. Watch.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:17:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
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How about tacking on a fee for abortions to fund right to life programs? Heads would explode.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:17:34 PM EDT
Move to a state where an action such as this would result in a politician being assaulted.
Leave Commiefornia to the commies.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:21:24 PM EDT
Just as constitutional as any of the other shit...

Might as well wipe your ass with it
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:24:17 PM EDT
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The .gov can only tax transfers (and any other economic activity) that it knows about.

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Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:25:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hackl:
Move to a state where an action such as this would result in a politician being assaulted.
Leave Commiefornia to the commies.
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Your kids will experience what we're going through now in 1-2 decades.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:29:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Htown156:
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.
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I wonder if this same court feels that asking for an ID to vote is unconstitutional.

It's almost to the point where I don't give a shit if they flush my country down the toilet or not at this point.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 10:32:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dan45678:


Voting should be taxed. People too cheap to pay the tax are better off not voting. Responsible, liberty minded people are much more likely to pay the tax, so, counter-intuitively, we would be freer if it were more expensive to vote.
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Originally Posted By dan45678:
Originally Posted By AllserviceBilliards:
Originally Posted By Htown156:
So we can tax constitutional rights now? This country is fucked.


The only "Constitutional Right" that is not taxable is voting, as it is specifically exempted.

Of course, your logic is what is fucked. They aren't "Constitutional Rights" to begin with. They are inalienable rights given by God. But since the attitude is that a piece of paper grants rights, it is very easy for another attitude - one that holds that those rights can be abridged by paper - to gain traction.

But what the fuck do I know?


Voting should be taxed. People too cheap to pay the tax are better off not voting. Responsible, liberty minded people are much more likely to pay the tax, so, counter-intuitively, we would be freer if it were more expensive to vote.


We already have that with lobbyists.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 2:26:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By QuanticoTactical:
Excellent!

Let's bring back the Poll Tax.

Edit: Beat by 2 seconds by a chimpanzee.
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It is sad that a monkey can see this and a Federal Judge can't.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 2:34:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Palm:

It is sad that a monkey can see this and a Federal Judge can't.
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Originally Posted By Palm:
Originally Posted By QuanticoTactical:
Excellent!

Let's bring back the Poll Tax.

Edit: Beat by 2 seconds by a chimpanzee.

It is sad that a monkey can see this and a Federal Judge can't.


I don't know about a poll tax, but lets require a poll test. Can we also tax TV and radio for exercising their right to free speech?
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 2:37:29 PM EDT
We should tax voting to fund anti-voter-fraud programs. What? Wait... Oh. We should tax voting to fund voter fraud.
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