CAN THE BATFE DO THIS???

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Posted: 12/17/2010 1:12:18 PM EDT

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606749.html

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:13:25 PM EDT

[#1]

Dealers would be required to alert authorities when they sell within five consecutive business days two or more semiautomatic rifles greater than .22 caliber with detachable magazines, according to the draft obtained by The Washington Post. Semiautomatic rifles such as AK-47s and AR-15s are favored by drug-trafficking organizations fighting the Mexican government.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:13:46 PM EDT

[#2]

Without clicking on the link, I'm going to say yes, they probably can.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:14:48 PM EDT

[#3]

does anyone search before posting topics like this???

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:15:22 PM EDT

[#4]

I thought all the evil guns were coming from gunshows. Now Licensed dealers are providing guns?

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:15:56 PM EDT

[#5]

Probably but unless you plan on smuggling those arms to Mexico then you should have nothing to worry about. And yes I think it's bull shit.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:16:01 PM EDT

[#6]

The marijuana war is the best thing that ever happened to the federal government.

The feds can thank tricky dick for giving police statists an endless, unlimited budget to chase a fucking plant.

I can't believe it is going to be 2011, and this is where we are.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:16:03 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
does anyone search before posting topics like this???

no

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:16:04 PM EDT

[#8]

Freedom, What a country.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:16:30 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I thought all the evil guns were coming from gunshows. Now Licensed dealers are providing guns?

Of course not, just another way to grow the military state.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:16:32 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Freedom, What a country.

what a joke ya mean

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:17:41 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

does anyone search before posting topics like this???

I don't think non-team members can search GD

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:17:52 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I thought all the evil guns were coming from gunshows. Now Licensed dealers are providing guns?

Of course not, just another way to grow the military state.

And to make them illegal to people like us

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:20:38 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Freedom, What a country.

what a joke ya mean

Shall not be infringed. Way back then.

We the .Guv, will fuck ya all and any way.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:24:10 PM EDT

[#14]

read everything in the Merry Gunmas thread

hear

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:24:41 PM EDT

[#15]

The ATF thinks they can do and get away with anything they want and will continute to do so until some judge starts thrown agents in jail.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:27:56 PM EDT

[#16]

I would like to see the statute that authorizes this

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:28:46 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
The ATF thinks they can do and get away with anything they want and will continute to do so until some judge starts thrown agents in jail.

This.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:28:52 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Dealers would be required to alert authorities when they sell within five consecutive business days two or more semiautomatic rifles greater than .22 caliber with detachable magazines, according to the draft obtained by The Washington Post. Semiautomatic rifles such as AK-47s and AR-15s are favored by drug-trafficking organizations fighting the Mexican government.

"Greater than .22 caliber," eh? How long till they realize that AR's aren't showing up on the weekly reports much?

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:30:38 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Dealers would be required to alert authorities when they sell within five consecutive business days two or more semiautomatic rifles greater than .22 caliber with detachable magazines, according to the draft obtained by The Washington Post. Semiautomatic rifles such as AK-47s and AR-15s are favored by drug-trafficking organizations fighting the Mexican government.

"Greater than .22 caliber," eh? How long till they realize that AR's aren't showing up on the weekly reports much?

.223>.22

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:33:47 PM EDT

[#20]

Time to make a .17 HMR AK.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:39:42 PM EDT

[#21]

Isn't this basically what they do with handgun purchases?

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:43:03 PM EDT

[#22]

They (and the gov as a whole) can do whatever we allow them to............................

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:45:46 PM EDT

[#23]

The economy is going to crash long before the ATF becomes a problem for you.
- BG

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:49:58 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

read everything in the Merry Gunmas thread

[url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1126731]hearhere[/url]

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:56:17 PM EDT

[#25]

Yup...and it will fall under that "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about it" thing...sucks but...its what we have to deal with.

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:56:17 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Dealers would be required to alert authorities when they sell within five consecutive business days two or more semiautomatic rifles greater than .22 caliber with detachable magazines, according to the draft obtained by The Washington Post. Semiautomatic rifles such as AK-47s and AR-15s are favored by drug-trafficking organizations fighting the Mexican government.

"Greater than .22 caliber," eh? How long till they realize that AR's aren't showing up on the weekly reports much?

.223>.22

Nope .223 is still a .22 caliber round

Posted: 12/17/2010 1:59:06 PM EDT

[#27]

Just buy multiple weapons every sixth or seventh day...........more than one way to skin the proverbial cat

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:02:46 PM EDT

[#28]

5.45 still considered a .22 weapon?

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:14:39 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Time to make a .17 HMR AK.

5.45<.22cal

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:20:05 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
The ATF thinks they can do and get away with anything they want and will continute to do so until some judge starts thrown agents in jail.

That thought process got their asses kicked initially at Waco. I didn't miss a wink of sleep watching those cocksuckers slide off the roof of Mt. Carmel.

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:23:07 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Isn't this basically what they do with handgun purchases?

ATF Form 3310.4

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:31:22 PM EDT

[#32]

the BATFE can do whatever they want...
they are ffrom the .gov and are here to help us

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:32:58 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The ATF thinks they can do and get away with anything they want and will continute to do so until some judge starts thrown agents in jail.

That thought process got their asses kicked initially at Waco. I didn't miss a wink of sleep watching those cocksuckers slide off the roof of Mt. Carmel.

Yep,just not enough of them in my opinion.............

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:34:04 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
The ATF thinks they can do and get away with anything they want and will continute to do so until some judge starts thrown agents in jail.

As bad as I hate to think about it, I do not think judges will have anything with the changes coming. Broke ,desperate folks are a force to be reckoned with. I do not want to be in their way , nor do I want them even to know I exist.

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:37:03 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
the BATFE can do whatever they want...
they are ffrom the .gov and are here to help us

Posted: 12/17/2010 2:38:21 PM EDT

[#36]

regulators are proposing an emergency requirement that certain gun dealers along the southwestern border report bulk sales of so-called assault weapons beginning as soon as January.

This is the only part that seems at all questionable to me. Normally, federal rule making is national, not local/ regional and is generally applicable, not applicable to select individuals or groups.

Posted: 12/17/2010 4:22:44 PM EDT

[#37]

atf can pretty much do whatever.

hide your dog

Posted: 12/18/2010 8:52:01 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

regulators are proposing an emergency requirement that certain gun dealers along the southwestern border report bulk sales of so-called assault weapons beginning as soon as January.

This is the only part that seems at all questionable to me. Normally, federal rule making is national, not local/ regional and is generally applicable, not applicable to select individuals or groups.

Yeah that is strange.

Still I thought the BATFE could only require the reporting of multiple purchases of HANDGUNS?

Posted: 12/18/2010 8:52:39 AM EDT

[#39]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/atf.pdf

Need for Collection:
The purpose of the information is to require Federal Firearms Licensees to report
multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise
disposes of two or more rifles within any five consecutive business days with the
following characteristics: (a) semi automatic; (b) a caliber greater than .22; and
(c) the ability to accept a detachable magazine.