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Posted: 9/24/2004 10:51:22 PM EDT
I got this in a an email from a discussion group (on atheism of all things) and thought it might go over better here :)
This is what I think of when people talk about Christ's message. Hats off to Mr. Bush.
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No shit. If Vince Foster's suicide note was true, he killed himself because Washington's partisanship was so brutal. |
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Don't get me wrong when I say this, I am voting for Bush. But, don't you think he plays the religion card a little TOO MUCH. Watch any candidate in the campaigning and election process they miraculously they find some time Sunday mornings for church services wherever they are and make sure there are plenty of cameras around. Most Americans cosider themself religous (attending regularly) or spiritual (ready to profess and argue their beleifs and spirituality but seldom attend)
I myself am agnostic but I respect other beleifs and their rights to have those beleifs so long as they respect my rights to my beleifs. However Bush plays that card because it appeals to his KEY DEMOGRAPHIC. I am Republican by default because currently the Libertarian Party is not the factor I wish it was, as you might of guessed I'm not big on the two party system and I dont feel most of us are well represented. Far Right IDIOTS like Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson do however sway some voters plenty of churches in my area push their congragations to vote a certain way I imagine that is A national trend. I grew up in A Mormon church and Ibeleive they got this part right, THEY STAY OUT OF IT ANYONE WHO GOT UP TO THE PULPIT TO GIVE A CAMPAIGN SPEECH OR RALLY WAS QUICKLY SAT DOWN OR THROWN OUT. However a president saying he thinks the jury is out on evolution BOTHERS ME. Try to see things for what they are otherwise your being exploited or should I say "one of the flock". |
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I'm an agnostic as well, but one of the things I respect about Bush is his faith. I do not think its an act put on to appeal to fundamentalists. I think its an honest expression of his belief. I interpet what he did to be an honest expression of love for his fellow man. I can't think of ANY reason to look down upon that. |
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No, I don't, and I am a very-close-to-atheist agnostic. His faith is part of who he is and whatever the man is, he is NOT phony. I don't agree with him about everything, but I love him as a person because he is incredibly genuine. |
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I have long been convinced of his honesty and integrity.
You just hear way too many stories like this not to believe them. President Bush is one of the few men on Earth that I think that I would take a bullet for. _Disconnector_ |
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+1 I'm not "religious" either, but I just SEETHED every time they showed Clinton and his demon-bitch wife entering a church, Bible in hand. He did it purely as a facade to hide his true Communist/atheist beliefs--and it was ALL phony, just a "necessary evil" PR move. I despise phony BS like that. GWB is sincere in his beliefs and faith--the easiest way to tell isn't by heart-warming stories like this one. The way to tell is by the degree of hatred and venom directed his way by our political enemies--Commies all. Dare I say?--*God bless President Bush!!* |
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Guys, the president doesn't have to try to be seen by the press doing anything... HE IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Anywhere he goes in public, anything h does... the press will be there, Yes, I think the Clintons staged their church attendance for political purposes. I doubt they were or are in mass every Sunday outside the presidency. But from everything we know, this was the man before DC, it is the man IN DC, it will be the man 4 years from now when he leaves DC!
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+1 |
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He is a good genuine man. He and I went to the same juniuor high in Midland, albeit many years apart.
Mattl. I appreciate your remarks about Christians and believers. It is obvious that you respect others and are tolerant of others as long as they repect you. Speaking for like myself and like minded people (those known to you as idiots, sheep, cattle and the guillable) we think that you lean more toward Atheism, than towards Agnosticism. So that I am clear on this, you respect people's beliefs as long as they respect yours. Oh, except if they don't believe in Evolution. Am I clear on this??? |
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flip flopper! |
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That was an awesome story...
Think I'm gonna go to church tomorrow - BG |
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I don't think so. As a Christian it is fairly obvious (of course I could be wrong!) if someone else is truly speaking their beliefs or if they are just faking for their audience. Sort of the same way we can tell that John Kerry is pandering to hunters when he walks around shooting stuff with his shotgun. True gun owners just roll their eyes. Like someone else said, Bill Clinton attending "church" looked pretty staged. |
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Very well put, Rik. I can only imagine that in the coming years, you may lean to the other side of agnosticism. |
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For now it is listed as "Research in progress. " It'll have no impact on my opinion of Dubya, but it'll be nice if they confirm it.
www.snopes.com/politics/bush/vincent.asp |
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Try here: www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/vincent.htm |
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NPR is a Republican radio station? I think you're confused.
Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Mattl, are you in the wrong thread? I looked and didn't see anyone mentioning those things. *confused* |
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Yeah... |
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George Bush is a leader among leaders.
He has a way of carrying on unapologetically that inspires confidence in those who know he is righteous and fear in those who would do us harm. He is a man of decision and action - qualities that, when applied for the good of the people he leads, are exceedingly rare on this troubled earth. For anyone who still questions this man's sincerity and trustworthiness, take a look around. This is a nation where a substantial portion of it's population can be characterized as a spoiled rotten bunch who have an extreme aversion to any conventions or morals. They want to be given what they want and be told what they want to hear - and they want it now. They also want to be told what to do and how to think. But George Bush is not the man that exploits the feeble-minded for his own gain, unlike the typical politician. It is a very strong temptation to resist. Again, Mr. Bush isn't "playing" his part right for them; he isn't a playboy, a womanizer, an unapologetic adulterer, has no contempt for the rule of law like "us" -- he's just too clean so therefore he is a threat to "our" lifestyle! I guess Clinton's "presidency" was one hard act to follow. That is why Mr. Bush is the focus of so much hate and vitriol - from the media, to politics, the law profession, unions, university professors, film and recording industry, Hollywood windbags, terrorists [and their appeasers], convicts and street thugs alike - all of whom [to one degree or another] benefit and make a good paycheck from the effects social unrest and lawlessness. Much of the Bush administration's rabid opposition comes from outside the USA just as much as from within. I don't know which is worse. It would be a good thing to take a hard look at exactly who they are and ask yourself if they represent your interests as a free American. BTW, the Clintons' many televised PR visits to church turned my stomach too - and I'm not really a chuch-going person. It was so blatanly obvious these clowns are phoney. Oh well... |
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Sorry, Putin is a Christian. I'll try to find a link to the story of how he became a Christian as a result of a fire at his home while he was in the KGB. He just doesn't say much about it, says that it is his private affair. wganz ¶ |
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Try "The Science of God" and "Darwin's Black Box" for more info. And listen to the call letters of the stations a little better because I don't believe there is an NPR station that broadcasts what Iwould call Republican ideas unless they could twist/ridicule them while doing so. Rip |
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I checked this story out on SNOPES. They show the status of their investigation as INCOMPLETE:
www.snopes.com/politics/bush/vincent.asp TruthorFiction.com says that it is TRUE upload.truthorfiction.com/rumors/v/vincent.htm FWIW. Hope the story is 100% true and EVERYONE gets to read it. Do you think, though, that it would matter to those ABB folks? They are blinded by so much hate (not a very good Christian value). To chime in on the thought about Bush using his faith for political gain, I say "Hog wash!!". This is the man that he is. Hard to fake it. Just look at the Clintons...easy to tell they were faking, and I hope they get their due in Hell someday for it. (That's not a very Christian thought either, was it?) Well, I'm headed off to church, I'll pray that I may be a better person. |
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I heard much the same sort of story from a friend who met him at the White House about a year ago with her dad. He is a retired Marine Colonel. As the President and Mrs. Bush were going through the greeting line after deplaning off of Marine One on the White House lawn, the President suddenly stopped when he saw that the colonel was wearing a USMC tie pin. Mr. Bush asked him if he was Marine. When the man answered in the AFFIRMATIVE, SIR!, Mr. Bush thanked him for his service to our country and asked his daughter if she would like to take a photo, which of course she did...of her dad and the President of the United States shaking hands.
She also said that Miz Bush is a very beautiful and gracious person in real life. |
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Pretty close to my sentiments as well. |
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