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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:36:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 8:55:24 PM EST by AR15fan]
George P. Bush accepts criticism of some U.S. policy during Mexico campaign trip

MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
Saturday, August 21, 2004


(08-21) 14:07 PDT MEXICO CITY (AP) --

U.S. President George W. Bush's Hispanic nephew, George P. Bush Saturday, accepted criticism of some U.S. policies during a campaign trip to Mexico, calling the arming of Border Patrol agents with plastic pellet guns "reprehensible."

The younger Bush, son of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, told a news conference Saturday that his uncle, if re-elected, would turn the focus of foreign policy "back to this hemisphere."

"If there has been American approval for this policy, that is reprehensible," Bush said of the guns, essentially paintball projectiles filled with chile powder. "It's kind of barbarous."

Speaking in sometimes halting Spanish mixed with English, he said his uncle was not blame for the gun policy, which has angered Mexicans; instead, he blamed it on "some local INS (Immigration) guy who's trying to be tough, act macho."

The use of the guns is in fact federal policy, and they are in use in several states.

George P. Bush, whose mother was born in Mexico, came here to drum up support among Americans abroad for his uncle...

More pandering to Mexican illegals by the Bush campaign. Yes, Jorge...defending yourself from rock throwing criminals is "trying to be tough", acting "macho." How many votes is GWB gonna lose from pissed off border patrol agents who read Jorge Bush's bullshit statement?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:37:55 PM EST
Gotta get elected son.

CRC
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:52:00 PM EST
Since rock throwing is deadly force, that has killed or injured many border Patrol agents, maybe they should retire the pepperball guns for 90 days and go back to shooting the rock throwers. Mexico would be begging for the return of the pepperball guns return after that.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:55:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 9:00:19 PM EST by CRC]
No .40 S&Ws and AR-15s.

Bush's next scandal: orders slaughter of poor Mexicans.

Now maybe we could get some rabid cougars or jaguars....

CRC
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 8:59:11 PM EST
Okay how about rattlesnakes?

Every foot drop a big rattler along the border.

Don't they have snake roundups in TX?

CRC
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 9:07:35 PM EST
Yeah, so what??? BP is shooting pepperballs (a very effective tool, btw) at rock chucking wetbacks.


THERE IS A F*CKING SHOOTING WAR GOING ON BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC OF MEXICO

* Border Patrol Humvee's are constantly being shot up by MEXICAN ARMY REGULARS

* United States CITIZENS have been kidnapped, held hostage, and otherwise harmed by Mexican nationals and MEXICAN ARMY REGULARS on their own property, here in the U.S.

* The Mexican Army routinely provides cover both by escort and "failure to interdict" drug and illegal immigrant smugglers.

Iraq is a nice thought, but what about us???
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 9:14:38 PM EST
More Mexican illegals have invaded California than Iraqis invaded Kuwait. Still waiting the the Republican controlled House, Senate and White House to do anything about it...
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 9:43:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
More Mexican illegals have invaded California than Iraqis invaded Kuwait. Still waiting the the Republican controlled House, Senate and White House to do anything about it...



I don't know. I'm not that intimidated by millions and millions of people who came here to get a job, make a living for their family, have a future. Yeah, so they don't pay income or social security taxes. They do pay sales taxes on everything they buy in a store.

Most American citizens who make under what, $15,000??? don't pay enough in Federal or State taxes to make a difference.

I do understand that these folks who come across are breaking federal laws in doing so. But, where is the intent when it comes to a 5 year old kid being dragged along, or an infant still in the womb?

The focus needs to shift, in my, lowly, one person, opinion, from these hard workers on whom our economic system is built to the real criminals that come here. Everything from drug smugglers, the "coyotes" that will pack 100+ illegal immigrants into a trailer left to die, to whoever the fuck is dropping these ARABIC language pamphlets.

People here don't understand that in Mexico, they need job creation of 1,000,000 new jobs a year just to keep up with the population growth. It's not an excuse, I know.

But when you have the shining light of the American Way the only star in the sky, people are going to come to it.

The truth, my friends, is out there.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 9:52:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By nationwide:
Yeah, so what??? BP is shooting pepperballs (a very effective tool, btw) at rock chucking wetbacks.


THERE IS A F*CKING SHOOTING WAR GOING ON BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC OF MEXICO

* Border Patrol Humvee's are constantly being shot up by MEXICAN ARMY REGULARS

* United States CITIZENS have been kidnapped, held hostage, and otherwise harmed by Mexican nationals and MEXICAN ARMY REGULARS on their own property, here in the U.S.

* The Mexican Army routinely provides cover both by escort and "failure to interdict" drug and illegal immigrant smugglers.

Iraq is a nice thought, but what about us???



I say that we start a Fire Team and get some helocopters (UH1H Super Gazel Bell Jetranger MD500) put M60's/M240's/RPK's/20mm AT rifles/Miniguns/any thing with a drum and fly around the border and shoot up the Mexican army guys and wall jumpers the helocopters will need to be up-armored to stop .50 cal over most of the choper and 30mm for the crew and moter if posable make RPG-like weapons and fire them from makeshift pilons as well as home made willy peat /smoke granades and 10lb bombs
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 9:57:44 PM EST
we could buy a ranch on the border and setup shop, then you can shoot the illegals.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 10:08:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By olyarms:
we could buy a ranch on the border and setup shop, then you can shoot the illegals.



but thats not as fun as flying around in a helocopter shooting at stuff with MG's and improvised weapons
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 10:29:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
More Mexican illegals have invaded California than Iraqis invaded Kuwait. Still waiting the the Republican controlled House, Senate and White House to do anything about it...



I don't know. I'm not that intimidated by millions and millions of people who came here to get a job, make a living for their family, have a future. Yeah, so they don't pay income or social security taxes. They do pay sales taxes on everything they buy in a store.



Sales tax doesnt cover the congested freeways, hospital ER rooms, and schools. They drive without insurance or licenses, crowding the freeways and inflating all of our auto insurance rates.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 10:31:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By sick:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
we could buy a ranch on the border and setup shop, then you can shoot the illegals.



but thats not as fun as flying around in a helocopter shooting at stuff with MG's and improvised weapons



True
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 10:40:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By sick:

Originally Posted By olyarms:
we could buy a ranch on the border and setup shop, then you can shoot the illegals.



but thats not as fun as flying around in a helocopter shooting at stuff with MG's and improvised weapons



True



yeah remember the A-Team epp where they had the M60 on a MD500? thats what i am thinking of
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 10:54:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
More Mexican illegals have invaded California than Iraqis invaded Kuwait. Still waiting the the Republican controlled House, Senate and White House to do anything about it...



I don't know. I'm not that intimidated by millions and millions of people who came here to get a job, make a living for their family, have a future. Yeah, so they don't pay income or social security taxes. They do pay sales taxes on everything they buy in a store.

Most American citizens who make under what, $15,000??? don't pay enough in Federal or State taxes to make a difference.

I do understand that these folks who come across are breaking federal laws in doing so. But, where is the intent when it comes to a 5 year old kid being dragged along, or an infant still in the womb?

The focus needs to shift, in my, lowly, one person, opinion, from these hard workers on whom our economic system is built to the real criminals that come here. Everything from drug smugglers, the "coyotes" that will pack 100+ illegal immigrants into a trailer left to die, to whoever the fuck is dropping these ARABIC language pamphlets.

People here don't understand that in Mexico, they need job creation of 1,000,000 new jobs a year just to keep up with the population growth. It's not an excuse, I know.

But when you have the shining light of the American Way the only star in the sky, people are going to come to it.

The truth, my friends, is out there.


We are a nation of laws, and breaking several to get here is a bad start.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:19:49 AM EST
I also am against them using pepperballs
they should be using some sort of hollowpoints, with the cavity filled with some sort of poison
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:22:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Since rock throwing is deadly force, that has killed or injured many border Patrol agents, maybe they should retire the pepperball guns for 90 days and go back to shooting the rock throwers. Mexico would be begging for the return of the pepperball guns return after that.


+1.

Unfuggingbelievable.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:25:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:48:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 5:50:51 AM EST by nationwide]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
More Mexican illegals have invaded California than Iraqis invaded Kuwait. Still waiting the the Republican controlled House, Senate and White House to do anything about it...



I don't know. I'm not that intimidated by millions and millions of people who came here to get a job, make a living for their family, have a future. Yeah, so they don't pay income or social security taxes. They do pay sales taxes on everything they buy in a store.



Sales tax doesnt cover the congested freeways, hospital ER rooms, and schools. They drive without insurance or licenses, crowding the freeways and inflating all of our auto insurance rates.



You took my words out of context. You are correct, however, plenty of good ole American trash does the same thing. And for that matter so do wealthy hard working ones too. Why should I have to pay higher premiums so someone else can get a multi-policy, home owner discount on their $65,000 cadillac SUV? And remember, wealthy folks probably (i have no facts to back this up) commit insurance fraud as often as non-wealthy folks.

ETA: your statement saying sales tax doesn't cover that stuff. Are you supporting a blanket TAX INCREASE???
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:52:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Since rock throwing is deadly force, that has killed or injured many border Patrol agents, maybe they should retire the pepperball guns for 90 days and go back to shooting the rock throwers. Mexico would be begging for the return of the pepperball guns return after that.



I was talking to an INS agent at a class once and he told me that despite the Border Patrol having one of the toughest firearms qualification courses in the federal government, they also had the lowest hit/per shot fired ratio in all of LE. The reason: People are not willing to kill somebody for throwing rocks at them – but they are willing to shoot at the ground near them.

Think about it: Someone throws a rock at you. Do you shoot them while it’s still in the air, or do you look to move somewhere where the rock isn’t going to hit? After that, if that person’s empty handed, should you still shoot? Where’s the Ability?

Speaking for myself, if all I had to do to avoid shooting another human being who was throwing rocks at me was to step backwards a few yards and get out of their accurate range – I’d gladly do it.

On the other hand, if equipped with a decent, reliable, and accurate pepper paintball gun – I’d gleefully plant round after round on those same people 100% guilt free.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:53:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Since rock throwing is deadly force, that has killed or injured many border Patrol agents, maybe they should retire the pepperball guns for 90 days and go back to shooting the rock throwers. Mexico would be begging for the return of the pepperball guns return after that.



i agree

shoot the rat bastards
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:59:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paul:
$5,000,000,000.00 every year


The documented cost to California of the impact of illegals due to the Federal government's failure to do jack shit about the tens of thousands of illegals crossing the border every night. It's not going to be an issue to 45 of the states until it's discovered that Al-Quida is using the same crossing.



You say tens of thousands every night. I'm not gonna argue that with you, cuz I don't have any numbers to argue with. But consider this:

If, for arguments sake, we all agree that 1,000,000 illegal mexicans and otm's come here every year by all means and all points of entry. Canada, Mexico, boat from wherever...

That's an average of 2,739 f*ckin sh*birds a DAY!!!!!

Why isn't this a NATIONAL EMERGENCY???

BTW: Just found this, very interesting...

so it's really only about 2,000 a day... gee, in once sentance I stopped over 700 illegal entries a day!! I feel better already
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:10:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 6:10:43 AM EST by Cleatus]
at lest they are chili balls- could wash you r shirt and make chili at the same time
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