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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:38:40 PM EDT
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Where are preppers going to get their med preps now?
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:44:07 PM EDT
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Crap. Will have to look into this and find out what all it affects.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:44:23 PM EDT
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And agriculture continues to get more fun for the small operator. That will make the price of eggs go up quick... start , grow , lay gonna be getting expensive.... I always did 90% of my own vacinations, etc....
Govt is trying to kill whats left of the family farm. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:45:35 PM EDT
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https://www.beefcattleinstitute.org/changes-antibiotics-regulations/
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:45:53 PM EDT
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Can you write off dead calves?
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:46:17 PM EDT
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you have animals and you don't have a vet you can call and will write you a script for what ever you need?
get a better vet or become less shady. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:46:43 PM EDT
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Hang in there. The Train is coming.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:47:10 PM EDT
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Can you write off dead calves? no |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:47:50 PM EDT
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Goddammed Motherfuckers!!! What is this VFD (Veterinary Feed Directive) Bullshit. My local Coop just called and said they have to get rid of all of their medicated feeds, milk replacer, etc before the end of the year because it will be illegal for them to sell them without a veterinarians script. There isn't a vet in the county that will come out for a new born calf, and even if he did, half the time it would be dead before he got there if you didn't already take action. Why do these communist faggots hate livestock? It comes down to Fucking money. You have to have a vet come look at a sick animal that is worth $150 and charge you $100 to watch it die. Fuck you FDA. I am gonna buy this shit black market, and use it as I please. I am glad I have no idea where the local FDA office is you worthless pieces of shit. Does anyone know more about this new "Rule"? Am I over reacting? I assume this is to keep some jackass from giving 4,000 ml of penicillin to a cow just before throwing it into the sale ring, but as usual wide ranging consequences. Dealing with it on the show stock side, too. Most of the feed producers just reformulated to to be outside the vfd |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:48:35 PM EDT
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Ayup, the hoarding started here...two months ago.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:50:09 PM EDT
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Also starting in Jan. you are going to have to go to the vet to get materials to treat your honey bee hives.
How many vets do you know, know anything about bees? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:51:54 PM EDT
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And agriculture continues to get more fun for the small operator. That will make the price of eggs go up quick... start , grow , lay gonna be getting expensive.... I always did 90% of my own vacinations, etc.... Govt is trying to kill whats left of the family farm. Exactly this. If you aren't a corporate farm with a vet on staff, your medication expenses just went up 1000% and your mortality rate just went up 10%. Our calves at 800 lbs are going to be worth a hair over 1/3 of what they were worth two years ago. You can't spend hundreds of dollars paying a vet for a $500 critter. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:52:42 PM EDT
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You can get a scrip via phone consult. That is what we do for our beef operation. Wanna know what really pisses me off? No more eco frindly reuseable feedbags per new regulations. All the coops in my state are putting in bagging and sewing lines to use the cheap paper bags. Nevermind the fact that a problem has never been traced back to dirty feedbags in the living memory of anyone you talk to about it.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:53:24 PM EDT
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Can you write off dead calves? No but the carcasses might start showing up at the local FDA office. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:53:50 PM EDT
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Hang in there. The Train is coming. Despite the OP's sincerest hopes. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:54:44 PM EDT
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Exactly this. If you aren't a corporate farm with a vet on staff, your medication expenses just went up 1000% and your mortality rate just went up 10%. Our calves at 800 lbs are going to be worth a hair over 1/3 of what they were worth two years ago. You can't spend hundreds of dollars paying a vet for a $500 critter. Wrong. You can get a scrip via phone. Some places that sell vet meds even have vets on staff so you can get an approved scrip and get stuff shipped in one call. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:55:35 PM EDT
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Goddammed Motherfuckers!!! What is this VFD (Veterinary Feed Directive) Bullshit. My local Coop just called and said they have to get rid of all of their medicated feeds, milk replacer, etc before the end of the year because it will be illegal for them to sell them without a veterinarians script. There isn't a vet in the county that will come out for a new born calf, and even if he did, half the time it would be dead before he got there if you didn't already take action. Why do these communist faggots hate livestock? It comes down to Fucking money. You have to have a vet come look at a sick animal that is worth $150 and charge you $100 to watch it die. Fuck you FDA. I am gonna buy this shit black market, and use it as I please. I am glad I have no idea where the local FDA office is you worthless pieces of shit. Does anyone know more about this new "Rule"? Am I over reacting? I assume this is to keep some jackass from giving 4,000 ml of penicillin to a cow just before throwing it into the sale ring, but as usual wide ranging consequences. Comrade, Please show us your license to farm. Has not the state provided enough subsidy for you? Do you not support the needs of veterinarians? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:56:21 PM EDT
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Exactly this. If you aren't a corporate farm with a vet on staff, your medication expenses just went up 1000% and your mortality rate just went up 10%. Our calves at 800 lbs are going to be worth a hair over 1/3 of what they were worth two years ago. You can't spend hundreds of dollars paying a vet for a $500 critter. I think you just identified the motivation. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:56:23 PM EDT
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you have animals and you don't have a vet you can call and will write you a script for what ever you need? get a better vet or become less shady. Are you just stupid or don't know anything about economics? The vet has to observe the animal according to the rule. What do you think a vet charges to drive an hour? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:57:32 PM EDT
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OP, just accept the fact that you are too stupid to know what you are doing. You should be grateful to these government bureaucrats in Washington DC who have never set foot on a farm but know your job far better than you do.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 12:58:24 PM EDT
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Wrong. You can get a scrip via phone. Some places that sell vet meds even have vets on staff so you can get an approved scrip and get stuff shipped in one call. And how is this cheaper than me going to Atwoods and getting what I need to take care of the problem... this has everything to do with control and nothing to do with safety.... fuck it though what do I know, my family has only been farming since time began. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:00:26 PM EDT
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Are you just stupid or don't know anything about economics? The vet has to observe the animal according to the rule. What do you think a vet charges to drive an hour? This is correct every time I ever called the vet he charges drive time plus the actual visit and any treatment / meds. When you are dealing with club calves its one thing... when its a feeder animal thats a whole different ball of wax. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:04:08 PM EDT
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And how is this cheaper than me going to Atwoods and getting what I need to take care of the problem... this jas everything to do with control and nothing to do with safety.... fuck it though what do I know, my family has only been farming since time began. Well, it is cheaper for is. We started doing it that way because it was cheaper to get things shipped than buy it locally. I have seen idiots pour antibiotics into animals and take them to sales before they die more times than I can count. This is a safety thing, like it or not. Thank your ignorant fellow farmers. But what do I know, my family has also been farming since Forever also. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:04:45 PM EDT
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Wrong. You can get a scrip via phone. Some places that sell vet meds even have vets on staff so you can get an approved scrip and get stuff shipped in one call. Your going to get something shipped to you when you have a dying animal? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:06:13 PM EDT
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This is correct every time I ever called the vet he charges drive time plus the actual visit and any treatment / meds. When you are dealing with club calves its one thing... when its a feeder animal thats a whole different ball of wax. 500 pounders are now worth $600. How much are you going to spend on them? Fortunately, I already have a $1K bottle of Nuflor. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:07:13 PM EDT
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The vet has to observe the animal according to the rule. What do you think a vet charges to drive an hour? Video call the vet dude. The more they write rules the more we get around them. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:07:30 PM EDT
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My dad sold off the farm an all equipment this year..a 160 year tradition an way of life ended.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:08:38 PM EDT
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Your going to get something shipped to you when you have a dying animal? No, we keep some of what we need stocked. Meds are usually overnighted or shipped express anyway. If you are waiting until an animal is literally dying to do something you are doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:11:12 PM EDT
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Despite the OP's sincerest hopes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hang in there. The Train is coming. Despite the OP's sincerest hopes. lol, truth |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:12:46 PM EDT
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Your going to get something shipped to you when you have a dying animal? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wrong. You can get a scrip via phone. Some places that sell vet meds even have vets on staff so you can get an approved scrip and get stuff shipped in one call. Your going to get something shipped to you when you have a dying animal? Where did he say anything about shipping? ETA: Found it. Can you not get the script and take it to a local store? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:15:23 PM EDT
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FILL THIS OUT. https://apply.ptt.gov/yourstory/
It is a link to the transition's team page where they are asking for information on how to make American great again. Tell them your story, not in the rant mode that you did here. Let them know how it is hurting the small local businesses and your business. Sure nothing might come of it but if no one tells them about it then you can guarantee nothing will happen. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:17:59 PM EDT
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500 pounders are now worth $600. How much are you going to spend on them? Fortunately, I already have a $1K bottle of Nuflor. Registered club calves dont sell for $500 . |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:21:47 PM EDT
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I'm very pro-farm/pro-ranch, but I would gladly pay double for beef/dairy/poultry/pork if it meant the end of anti-biotic-resistant bacteria. A lot more people will die from MRSA than from $5 eggs.
I'm very libertarian, but creating super-bacteria for the rest of the world to fight makes your feed methods everybody's business. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:22:30 PM EDT
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As I understand it you have the gist of it. Antibiotics are no longer allowed for production but can be used to treat illness (with a prescription from a vet, for a specific sick animal).
So I think legally you can have a stock on hand you have to get it only to treat a sick animal. I am not a big producer (60ish pair) and my local vet leases grazing from me so he should be pretty handy but I know it will fuck up anyone with a feed lot. Good news is prices have to rise because of this. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:25:00 PM EDT
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Looks like I'll add the Feed store to my to do list today
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:27:01 PM EDT
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Will this affect my ability to buy Ivomec at TSC for my dogs?
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:27:35 PM EDT
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It requires a vet script for feed grade antibiotics. I believe the script is good for six months, but it does require an onsite inspection. Basically you have to have the vet come on site 2 times a year so he can write you scripts for feed additives that used to be over the counter. I'm not sure what changes if any will be made for injectables. I need to have the vet come out and get this done in the next two weeks.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:29:17 PM EDT
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I was on the phone with family this past weekend and we decided to sell off the extra hogs, and just raise a few of each for our food needs, we will keep doing beans and corn as well as keep the orchard going but for livestock we are getting out of it, not that we had a huge operation to start with but had enough where we would sell some to local restaurants and do farmers markets.
I told them to go to the feed stores, co ops, and farm and fleet to buy up as much stuff as we can get but to make sure to leave some for our friends. We do have a Vet that comes out and will write a script without hassle but its easier to do it yourself 90% of the time when time maters. The farm is in Iowa |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:30:33 PM EDT
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Dealing with this this morning.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:42:42 PM EDT
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Is this going to affect everything; and any animal that can be eaten?
I get medicated goat feed at TSC for instance = affected? (I know a little problem in the scope of this) what about stuff like Ivermectin, Sulmet, C/DT , loose minerals and stuff like that? Is there a list? of animals (other than "ones" for food) and feed stuff affected? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:45:36 PM EDT
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For MILK REPLACER???!!!!
ETA Looks like it's for medicated feeds, not injectables, boluses etc. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:48:22 PM EDT
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Ya need any help killing deer out there?
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:52:48 PM EDT
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FILL THIS OUT. https://apply.ptt.gov/yourstory/ It is a link to the transition's team page where they are asking for information on how to make American great again. Tell them your story, not in the rant mode that you did here. Let them know how it is hurting the small local businesses and your business. Sure nothing might come of it but if no one tells them about it then you can guarantee nothing will happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
FILL THIS OUT. https://apply.ptt.gov/yourstory/ It is a link to the transition's team page where they are asking for information on how to make American great again. Tell them your story, not in the rant mode that you did here. Let them know how it is hurting the small local businesses and your business. Sure nothing might come of it but if no one tells them about it then you can guarantee nothing will happen. Thanks, done. The new FDA rules (VFD) are going to really hurt small farmers (Cow Calf producers) like myself. We have to be jacks of all trades, taking care of livestock, knowing crops, repairing equipment etc. Requiring us to have a vet write a script for an animal that is worth $200 rather than letting us medicate it ourselves is simply not economical. America is great when people can do things for themselves without a bureaucrat telling them how they have to do it. MAGA |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:53:36 PM EDT
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Ya need any help killing deer out there? Get over here!! |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:04:24 PM EDT
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I left my story for him
I wonder if he reads on the toilet like me 
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:11:53 PM EDT
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Polar bears > Cows. Cow farts kill polar bears. Less cows, more polar bears. Or something like that.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:38:12 PM EDT
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I'm very pro-farm/pro-ranch, but I would gladly pay double for beef/dairy/poultry/pork if it meant the end of anti-biotic-resistant bacteria. A lot more people will die from MRSA than from $5 eggs. I'm very libertarian, but creating super-bacteria for the rest of the world to fight makes your feed methods everybody's business. Yep. This has to do with what you sell, not how you worship or something. You're free to treat a pet cow anyway you want but if you want to sell it for human consumption those humans have a right to know what they are getting. Hope there is someone ready to innovate and find newer and better ways to help you in your business , as is often the case. In the meantime I'm sorry for your losses. Feel free to charge accordingly for anything you do sell. I'm a fan of a good brisket so I hope this works out for us all. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:35:39 PM EDT
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And in other news, Wal Mart is sending piglets to china, raising them up over there without any oversight, then shipping them back to the states for slaughter and sale. To top it all off, because the piglets were born stateside and slaughtered stateside they sell them as domestically produced.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 6:16:55 PM EDT
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Yep. This has to do with what you sell, not how you worship or something. You're free to treat a pet cow anyway you want but if you want to sell it for human consumption those humans have a right to know what they are getting. Hope there is someone ready to innovate and find newer and better ways to help you in your business , as is often the case. In the meantime I'm sorry for your losses. Feel free to charge accordingly for anything you do sell. I'm a fan of a good brisket so I hope this works out for us all. I am also very much in favor of limiting anti-biotic use with livestock. However, I completely disagree with forcing a farmer to get a script from a vet to get animal meds. Freedom is scary. The logic you are using is the same as gun control. "If we don't regulate the medications, people will use them incorrectly and create super bacteria" "If we don't regulate guns, bad people will buy them and kill people." If you believe for one minute that the government does something like this "for the good of the people" you are wrong. Someone is making money because of the change. If they REALLY wanted to help, then rather than spend a bunch of money enforcing the restrictive laws they have, take that money and invest it in free education programs for farmers to teach them about proper use of medication with their animals. Personally, I don't think they should be involved at all, but if they ARE going to spend tax dollars, use them for education, not enforcing crazy regulations. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 6:25:42 PM EDT
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War on small business continues.
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