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Posted: 9/19/2001 9:41:47 PM EDT
I've always figured I'm so close to L.A. that if the SHTF I would be crispy before I got to the front door. So I never really made provision for escape short of my firearms. But I am starting to rethink this with the threat of chem-bio attacks. So what would you suggest to put in a BOB? And does anyone know when ASOD is going to get more gas masks in? Thanks guys.
Link Posted: 9/19/2001 10:16:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2001 10:27:23 PM EDT by gardenWeasel]
Directions showing the shortest route to the nearest decontamination site. Just kidding! The last thing I would do is go outside. The object is to stay covered.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:20:02 AM EDT
Some of SteyrAUG's porn mags, for sure. Tyler
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:22:20 AM EDT
a good knife duct tape and hershey bars
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:23:53 AM EDT
This is a must for any B.O.B. Toilet paper Strike anywhere matches MRE's Money in small denominations (1's, 5's and 10's) First aid kit.
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Link Posted: 9/20/2001 8:59:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:17:12 AM EDT
Just curious here, no flames. If the terrorists drop a chem/bio bomb on L.A., whose going to be alive to shoot?
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:17:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood: If all hell breaks loose (EMP situation), and I have to walk to my destination, I know it will take 5 days on a slow trek. Take a weekend to try walking to your BO location.
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Screw walking. Just do either of the following: A> Buy a old beater car that was built without components vulnerable to EMP. B> Buy a dirt bike of similar simplicity. I'd prefer B, because of fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, I have no garage to store it in [:(] Anyway, I don't plan on bugging out. I live 1 mile from a major medical complex. I can hold my own, but I ain't a doctor.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:25:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By schnacke: Screw walking. Just do either of the following: A> Buy a old beater car that was built without components vulnerable to EMP. B> Buy a dirt bike of similar simplicity. I'd prefer B, because of fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, I have no garage to store it in [:(]
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If it has a battery, it is vulnerable to EMP. I'm not sure if the Ford Model T had a battery or not.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:28:54 AM EDT
As someone who stockplies plenty of ammo myself (500x7.62, 2000x5.56), I have often wondered when the SHTF who will I be shooting at? Can someone answer this?
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:31:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bobbyfenn: Just curious here, no flames. If the terrorists drop a chem/bio bomb on L.A., whose going to be alive to shoot?
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You are thinking too big.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:36:41 AM EDT
The question which was originally asked was what to stick in your BOB in the event of a chem-bio attack. One of the responses was 300 rounds of ammo. I'm simply asking what that 300 rounds will be good for.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 9:37:44 AM EDT
A mountain bike isn't a bad idea. You can lash a lot of stuff to it that you don't have to carry, will go over most terrain, is light enough to portage, and you don't need fuel for it. The VC used bicycles, 'nuff said.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 10:17:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bobbyfenn: The question which was originally asked was what to stick in your BOB in the event of a chem-bio attack. One of the responses was 300 rounds of ammo. I'm simply asking what that 300 rounds will be good for.
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I think the idea of a general purpose BOB is much better than a specific purpose one. A BOB should be the barest essentials to survive any attack/event/catastrophe. I think in light of that, the list iNuhBaDNayburhood left is a pretty good one. If you're not already prepared for a bio/chem attack by wearing the appropriate protective gear, you're not going to be doing much by digging it out of a bag to put it on. Ammo is a good long-term bugout item. If you have to stay away from civilization or home for more than two weeks, I'd want to have as much ammo as possible. Being limited to what you have in pistol magazines is not exactly a good idea. Of course, ammo is heavy. But considering some of the wild animals in Texas, I'd rather have as much as I can carry than just about anything else. If you think building a BOB or survival stockpile is hard for a single guy, try doing it with small kids. I STILL have cans of Similac from Y2K for my daughter and my son won't drink the stuff. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 10:25:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2001 10:28:55 AM EDT by Steel_Rat]
When TSHTF, my plan is to, of course, stand and defend the homestead. But just in case I have to leave due to some NBC, I was ready with a "bug-out" kit. I see a few members are planning on buying surplus Alice packs and BDUs for the adventure. But I took a different approach. My theory (gained through actual participation in a few real civil disasters like earthquakes and riots) is when the "authorities" show up to order you around, anything that makes to look armed, military, or self sufficient is threatening to them. Plus, you'll attract a lot of unwanted attention at aid stations if you're decked out like Rambo. Much better to blend in with the rest of the sheeple. So I planned on jeans, hiking boots, a flannel shirt and (dark colored) light jacket. Instead of GI web gear, I used my civilian Jansport backpack. Besides being non-threatening, it's bigger, lighter, and has better suspension than the LC-1. It will carry a whole lot more stuff far more comfortably than any GI pack. Guns. I figured you should use something similar to the local authorities in case you need to "obtain" ammo, etc. Around here that means 9mm and .223. Local PDs use a mix of Berettas and S&Ws, and since I have some compact 69xx-series Smith 9mms, I chose those. One in the jacket pocket and the other in the waist pack of the backpack and I always have a pistol instantly accessible. And any National Guard that show up will have M16s. So besides the usual camping and food items, I took an M4gery, split it in two, and placed it down the sides inside the pack. I used a couple of long vinyl pouches I found at a sporting goods store (I think they're for fishing poles) and attached them to the inner sides of the pack and you couldn't tell what they were. That way I could even open my pack in full view without upsetting anyone. But I practiced dumping the pack and assembling the rifle, and could usually do it in less than 10 seconds. I figured that if things got bad with no warning, a couple dozen rounds of 9mm from the Smiths would either take care of the problem or at least get me to some cover where I could pull out the rifle. While some of the accessory pouches held canteens, food, knives and tools, several held extra magazines. But none of them are OD green, just normal civilian colors from the local REI. I've got several loaded mags in side pouches, and some 4 pouch bandollers I put together (with strippers and loaders) in the pack that are vacuum "Seal-A-Mealed" so I still have good, dry ammo even if I end up in water. Small non-descript belt pouches hold pistol mags just fine. All in all the whole package worked out extremely well. I had enough supplies to last a week by myself, and enough ammo to rob the North Hollywood branch of Bank of America. And at the same time looked like some granola-eating commie/faggot/hippie backpacker. But if any rioters, miscreants, or other "opportunists" decide that I'm a soft target, they are going to be in for the biggest (and last!) surprize of their lives!! Of course, I still keep the kit ready, because, well, you just never know.....
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 10:54:24 AM EDT
Those are some excellent points Steel Rat I picked up an ALICE pack at a local surplus store and was baffled by how uncomfortable it was and how akward the weight is distributed. I used to do a lot of backpacking, and was thinking of getting a civilian internal frame pack for a BOB. I didn't even think much about blending in with the crowd, but it's a point well taken. and is your Jansport frame pack the one that has a seperate small backpack that zips off the back?
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 10:57:10 AM EDT
Well since your State does not want its people to be able to protect them selves, maybe the best bet is to bug out yourself. Get a job in Texas, Utah or a state that allows the individual to protect themselves.
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:10:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood: First SHTF Survival Guide (My Version): *AT LEAST one mag pouch, preferrably the ones that also hold grenades. - grenade pouches should be filled with 2 OC grenades or mix ‘n match civvy grenades.
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Where does one get these OC or civvy grenades??
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 11:24:32 AM EDT
try: [url]www.shomer-tec.com[/url] they had some last time i ordered stuff, about a month ago...
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 1:10:51 PM EDT
MOST IMPORTANT THING TO BRING WITH YOU: COMMON SENSE. Where are you bugging out from? Where are you bugging out to? (You DO have a well stocked destination right?) What terrain will you be covering? What kind of routes are available? (All highway, hiking/offroad trails, bushwacking?) What weather conditions are possible? Do you have any special medical needs? Are you going solo, or part of a group? If more than one, how are you planning to regroup with others during a disaster? Are you in shape, how far can you go with a 1/4 weight pack in a day? What elevation can you gain in a day? Search for 'bug out bag' on google, you'll get tons of hits. I personally go for the 'civilian camo' look. COTTON IS ALWAYS BAD. Get gore tex is nice, but not a guarantee you will be dry. Layering is key to comfort. Clothing appropriate to terrain at beginning and destination locales. Skip most milsurp gear, it sucks compared to what you can get at REI or EMS. Buy a pack somplace where the sales help has enough time to size and fit your pack, and you can walk around the store to check it for comfort. A $20 yard sale mountain bike is much easier to walk away from than a $500 custom job. Skip the ramen. It has nearly no nutritious value. Get yourself a some good Alpine Aire or Mountain House freeze dried food that will last for ages, has nutrition value, and actually TASTES GOOD! Weighs nearly nothing. First aid kit: If you don't know how to use anything in it, take it out. You can often do more harm than good. A mini-medical book is nice for when you panic. Get a good water filter. PUR makes a good one. The katadyn is popular and good quality, but take it from me, I hike a lot, and pumping with a katadyn requires massive arm effort! Go for a synthetic bag. Down is wonderful, but you get wet, you're fucked. Closed cell foam pad. You don't wanna be patching stuff up in the middle of the night. Good quality, *BROKEN IN*, boots. Duct Tape. 2 different RELIABLE ways of making fire. I scatter a half dozen new disposable lighters about my person. Hasn't let me down yet. TOILET PAPER + SOAP #1 cause of illness during emergencies is bad hygiene. Flashlight or headlamp. I got a Petzl Tikka. Hard to break, good lighting, keeps hands free, batteries last for ages. (I am on original batteries, probably about 80 hours in so far.) Avoid battery powered things. Leave the GPS at home, get a quality compass, and know how to use it. Laminated copies of: Driver's License, Social Security Card, LTC/FID/CCW, Insurance, Birth Certificates, Mortgages/Leases, Phone numbers + addresses of family, friends, coworkers. Banking information, Innoculation records, Medical records+insurance. Sunglasses. + Goggles in wintery areas. Telephone calling card. Cheap light AM radio. Often FEMA and such have portable AM radio stations to help transmit info during crises. Guns: season to taste. Think 'weight'. Hello Mr. Glock and Colt Sporter Lightweight!
Link Posted: 9/20/2001 4:50:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jon3: Cheap light AM radio. Often FEMA and such have portable AM radio stations to help transmit info during crises.
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Wow your really thought about this one. But may I suggest a small combination AM/FM/short wave radio. I have seen them in the Cheaper than Dirt catalogue. The reason is because during the Reagan's invasion of Granada, there was a total news black out on on the invasion inside the U.S. With the shortwave you can listen to countries like Cuba etc, You may not like to hear but at least it is there.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 3:37:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By warlord: Wow your really thought about this one. But may I suggest a small combination AM/FM/short wave radio. I have seen them in the Cheaper than Dirt catalogue. The reason is because during the Reagan's invasion of Granada, there was a total news black out on on the invasion inside the U.S. With the shortwave you can listen to countries like Cuba etc, You may not like to hear but at least it is there.
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I highly reccomend the Yaesu VX-5R, which when I bought mine was the smallest handheld tranceiver made. It's also designed for fairly rough conditions and can deal with just about everything but being submerged under water. If you need an even smaller radio, they now make a VX-1R, but it does not have shortwave capability. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 3:51:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GodBlessTexas:
Originally Posted By warlord: Wow your really thought about this one. But may I suggest a small combination AM/FM/short wave radio. I have seen them in the Cheaper than Dirt catalogue. The reason is because during the Reagan's invasion of Granada, there was a total news black out on on the invasion inside the U.S. With the shortwave you can listen to countries like Cuba etc, You may not like to hear but at least it is there.
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I highly reccomend the Yaesu VX-5R, which when I bought mine was the smallest handheld tranceiver made. It's also designed for fairly rough conditions and can deal with just about everything but being submerged under water. If you need an even smaller radio, they now make a VX-1R, but it does not have shortwave capability. God Bless Texas
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Where can you buy one of these radios at?
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:05:08 PM EDT
I bought mine at the local HAM store. You don't have to have a license to buy them, just to transmit. I paid ~$300 retail for mine new back in 1999, but they go for cheaper than that now. There are currently two on ebay for around $200. See if your area has a HAM club or HAM event and check into buying one used. You can also check one of the various HAM magazines like CQ and see what the mailorder prices are. Mine has taken a licking and kept on ticking, and for the size I can't think of anything with the transmit power and wide frequency rage of the VX-5R. Check out the specs at [url]http://www.yaesu.com/amateur/amateur.html[/url] God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:18:27 PM EDT
The OC grenades that fattym4 suggested from [url]www.shomer-tec.com[/url] look pretty impressive but they carry that dreaded "For law enforcement use only" disclaimer. I hate that.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 4:27:13 PM EDT
If you live in the city, and something REALLY bad happens, you better have mags and ammo, cuz bad things are going to be going down. Worse then the L.A. riots, that's for sure... _ FS
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:05:45 PM EDT
I went to shomer-tech and i didnt see anything except some wimpy looking smoke grenades and a tear gas grenade. Is that what you are talking about?
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 5:10:06 PM EDT
Lots of booze. For the "medicinal" qualities of course. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 7:57:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat: Guns. I figured you should use something similar to the local authorities in case you need to "obtain" ammo, etc. Around here that means 9mm and .223. Local PDs use a mix of Berettas and S&Ws, and since I have some compact 69xx-series Smith 9mms, I chose those. One in the jacket pocket and the other in the waist pack of the backpack and I always have a pistol instantly accessible. And any National Guard that show up will have M16s.
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So what do you mean by "obtain"? Do you think the Police and National Guardsman are going to give you free ammo? Or are you going to kill them for it, because you didn't have the foresight to buy enough before the SHTF? They are the ones with the the sense of duty(and the family at home), unlike your selfish ass. You know, lots of Guard NCOs are prior service. Some SSG that just left Ranger Battalion is going to stick your S&W right up your shithole and pull the trigger when you try to "obtain" his ammo. Just what this country needs in an emergency: jackoffs running around killing the people who are trying to solve the problem (and not running away) for ammo. Which guardsmen/LE are you going to take out? The Infantry and MPs guarding the house you abandoned from looters? The medics saving people lives? The chemical guys setting up a decon station? The engineers repairing bridges and clearing roads? How many of you guys have this selfish little fantasy? If you do get it out of your head.
Link Posted: 9/21/2001 8:23:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 11BravoE5: So what do you mean by "obtain"? Do you think the Police and National Guardsman are going to give you free ammo? Or are you going to kill them for it, because you didn't have the foresight to buy enough before the SHTF? Just what this country needs in an emergency: jackoffs running around killing the people who are trying to solve the problem (and not running away) for ammo. How many of you guys have this selfish little fantasy? If you do get it out of your head.
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Obtain means obtain - it means that's the type of ammo that will be available in your area. It would be really stupid to use that custom .257 P.O Ackley Improved as your bug-out rifle because when you're out of ammo you have no chance whatsoever of finding any more. Also, it may not have occured to you that some of us might be on friendly terms with our local CLEOs so they might actually give out ammo to Good Guys. Plus there's always barter. I [b]never[/b] said anything about shooting National Guardsmen for their ammo - you dreamed this up when you forgot to take your medication today. 11BravoE5 - what a fucking moron.
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 2:49:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 11BravoE5: So what do you mean by "obtain"?
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ob·tain (b-tn, b-) v. ob·tained, ob·tain·ing, ob·tains v. tr. To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of planning or endeavor; acquire.
Do you think the Police and National Guardsman are going to give you free ammo? Or are you going to kill them for it, because you didn't have the foresight to buy enough before the SHTF? They are the ones with the the sense of duty(and the family at home), unlike your selfish ass. You know, lots of Guard NCOs are prior service. Some SSG that just left Ranger Battalion is going to stick your S&W right up your shithole and pull the trigger when you try to "obtain" his ammo.
In an emergency situation, your best bet is to make sure that your weapon is chambered in the same caliber as the local law enforcement and the national guardsmen. That's the type of ammo you're likely to find, whether you come across a fallen or injured LEO or barter for it. I, personally, know that the most sold ammo types by the gun shops in my area are 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP for pistols. I have pistols in two of those calibers, making my chances of trading for more ammo are pretty good.
Just what this country needs in an emergency: jackoffs running around killing the people who are trying to solve the problem (and not running away) for ammo. Which guardsmen/LE are you going to take out? The Infantry and MPs guarding the house you abandoned from looters? The medics saving people lives? The chemical guys setting up a decon station? The engineers repairing bridges and clearing roads? How many of you guys have this selfish little fantasy? If you do get it out of your head.
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You jump to too many conclusions, sir. And I thought I was cynical. God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 9/25/2001 4:06:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By silverstrand_pat: Those are some excellent points Steel Rat I picked up an ALICE pack at a local surplus store and was baffled by how uncomfortable it was and how akward the weight is distributed.
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Ah the Big Green Wart. One of the design features / flaws of ALICE was to prevent the pack from extending upward (as most commercial packs do). The idea was that if a soldier is trying to move through brush with a pack on his back, the last thing he needs is to violate noise discipline by having his pack snag on branches ABOVE his head. The downside of this is that to maintain volume, the pack extends OUTWARD, away from the back, creating an incredibly uncomfortable pull on the shoulder straps. Personally, I hated ALICE.
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