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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:12:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:45:08 PM EDT
Thanks !
Again.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:50:48 PM EDT
My pleasure.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:12:08 PM EDT
Works a LOT better than I would have expected.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:14:34 PM EDT
"...your crappy rifle..." 
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:21:02 PM EDT
Thanks for the review!
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 2:50:46 PM EDT
Wow, that's surprising.

I'd really like to see what that does at ~100 yards with a 11.5 carbine. For someone on a tight budget, it might be a great option for someone who already has a mag or 2 of quality HD ammo.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 3:20:45 PM EDT
thanks, and it's been shared
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 4:02:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circle_R:

"...your crappy rifle..." 
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best part. I laughed. My rifles cycle steel just fine but that shit is all over the place with accuracy. Inside of 20 feet? not sure its gonna matter
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circle_R:

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Well, you have to admit that having a rifle for SHTF or HD that is too prissy to cycle steel cased ammo makes about as much sense as having a "Bug-Out" vehicle that only runs on Premium 93 Octane zero-ethanol gas. After all, that's the type of rifle/carbine this discussion seems to be about.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 5:39:53 PM EDT
Thanks.  Good video and review.  But I wonder, did you take more than one data set?  I would be interested in the extreme spread in a box?  Where does a box chrono at plus or minus, as opposed to one shot.

Not meant to be overly critical, just curious.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 6:02:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lug1:
Thanks.  Good video and review.  But I wonder, did you take more than one data set?  I would be interested in the extreme spread in a box?  Where does a box chrono at plus or minus, as opposed to one shot.

Not meant to be overly critical, just curious.
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That's a good point. Only room in the block for 2-3 shots and I want to use that to test different types of ammo, but there's no reason I can't shoot a string over the chrono next time.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 6:03:51 PM EDT
Nice video. Keep them coming.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 6:11:29 PM EDT
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Strap some pork ribs and shirt/jacket in front of that gel and do it again. Just to see how it does through that. looks good through the gel.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 6:16:20 PM EDT
How would you compare this to their 62gr offerings? I saw the silver bear had less penetration.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 6:26:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Wow, that's surprising.

I'd really like to see what that does at ~100 yards with a 11.5 carbine. For someone on a tight budget, it might be a great option for someone who already has a mag or 2 of quality HD ammo.
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I keep 8 mags of 64 gr Gold dot loaded and ready.


I have about 3k of this brown bear 55 gr sp stuff sitting that I shoot for practice alot. Sgammo runs really great prices on it. I've always had better luck with it then Wolf and Tula.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 6:43:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
I keep 8 mags of 64 gr Gold dot loaded and ready.


I have about 3k of this brown bear 55 gr sp stuff sitting that I shoot for practice alot. Sgammo runs really great prices on it. I've always had better luck with it then Wolf and Tula.
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Wow, that's surprising.

I'd really like to see what that does at ~100 yards with a 11.5 carbine. For someone on a tight budget, it might be a great option for someone who already has a mag or 2 of quality HD ammo.
I keep 8 mags of 64 gr Gold dot loaded and ready.


I have about 3k of this brown bear 55 gr sp stuff sitting that I shoot for practice alot. Sgammo runs really great prices on it. I've always had better luck with it then Wolf and Tula.
Generally speaking, BB seems to have higher velocities than Wolf...
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 7:28:43 PM EDT
This is great food for my Arsenal SLR 106. Pretty impressive gel test. Thanks
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:01:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
I keep 8 mags of 64 gr Gold dot loaded and ready.


I have about 3k of this brown bear 55 gr sp stuff sitting that I shoot for practice alot. Sgammo runs really great prices on it. I've always had better luck with it then Wolf and Tula.
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Originally Posted By dbrad197:
Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Wow, that's surprising.

I'd really like to see what that does at ~100 yards with a 11.5 carbine. For someone on a tight budget, it might be a great option for someone who already has a mag or 2 of quality HD ammo.
I keep 8 mags of 64 gr Gold dot loaded and ready.


I have about 3k of this brown bear 55 gr sp stuff sitting that I shoot for practice alot. Sgammo runs really great prices on it. I've always had better luck with it then Wolf and Tula.
Same here, except with Fusion MSR (same bullet).

It looks like a good loading to stack deep. Better performance than FMJ, at least.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:24:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Wow, that's surprising.

I'd really like to see what that does at ~100 yards with a 11.5 carbine. For someone on a tight budget, it might be a great option for someone who already has a mag or 2 of quality HD ammo.
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I find gave an 11.5in anymore, but from my 13.8in the 62grn Silver Bear soft points averaged 2690fps muzzle. OneDrive Excell link here.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:40:01 PM EDT
Well done. Thanks.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:41:43 PM EDT
Seems like a good economy defense load. Thanks for doing that test.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:21:00 PM EDT
Wow. I'm surprised at the performance, might have to take a second look at Brown bear. 

Is brown bear like the cheap tula and use steel projectiles that cause barrel wear?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:50:26 AM EDT
That is actually a lot better terminal performance than many of the loads you see touted as ideal personal defense loads by keyboard commandos and tactical guru wannabes. I'd greatly prefer bullet performance like this compared to the results you'd get from lightweight polymer tip bullets, lightweight hollow points and even many of the 55 grain soft points you see in U.S. made ammunition. For a non-bonded soft point in the 55 grain range, that's about as good as performance gets.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 8:53:20 AM EDT
Great information, thanks.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 8:56:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Wow. I'm surprised at the performance, might have to take a second look at Brown bear. 

Is brown bear like the cheap tula and use steel projectiles that cause barrel wear?
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They are steel jacketed. You are unlikely to shoot enough to notice any difference in wear.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 9:23:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Wow. I'm surprised at the performance, might have to take a second look at Brown bear. 

Is brown bear like the cheap tula and use steel projectiles that cause barrel wear?
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Yes but that lucky Gunner test is bullshit. You're only going to see the same results they did by shooting as many rounds as they did in such a short amount of time. My LMT has 19K of steel case through it with multiple two day classes with 800-900 rounds for each class. It still shoots groups within the military spec for a service rifle.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:12:14 AM EDT
I've personally witnessed this stuff work well on hogs.

Great test and thanks for all the hard work!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:46:19 AM EDT
I really enjoy your videos. Great work.

I would love to see you test every one of your rounds out of a 11" or so SBR as well, as many of us run those with suppressors for HD. I know we can extrapolate which you point out in your videos, but photographic evidence is always helpful.

Carry On.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:07:38 AM EDT
Good feedback.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:22:34 AM EDT
now if we could only find it in stock.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:38:33 AM EDT
My only suggestion would be to use the extra two or three shots to test the repeatability of the terminal effects.

Considering the quality control of that ammo, that expansion result might change (better or worse).
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:29:49 PM EDT
Given the results I've seen from other Russian soft point on my own channel, I don't expect a big difference.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 5:29:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By beemerman:
now if we could only find it in stock.
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Right?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:26:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Given the results I've seen from other Russian soft point on my own channel, I don't expect a big difference.
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Is this in reference to the 62 grain SP or, multiple shots in the gel from the 55 grain you tested in this video?
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 4:48:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 11:26:05 AM EDT
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Ahhhh, shouldn't this be in Ammunition? Trying to understand why this is in General. Is it due to being part of the Ar15 YouTube channel? 
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 11:32:16 AM EDT
my bushmaster shot it great very accurate,little dirty but killed a doe no problem.good stuff.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 6:34:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By beemerman:


Is this in reference to the 62 grain SP or, multiple shots in the gel from the 55 grain you tested in this video?
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The 62gr soft point and other steel jacketed Russian soft point in 7.62x39mm.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 8:42:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 8:44:48 PM EDT
Great video. On the money!

ARs should cycle steel case and function with steel case ammo.
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 12:40:00 AM EDT
Can you do a comparison of the Brown Bear to the Prvi Partizen 55SP. I know the Prvi is more but..
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 10:02:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Have you tested the 62 grain Brown or Silver Bear Hollow Point?
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Link Posted: 8/25/2017 10:10:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By beemerman:
Can you do a comparison of the Brown Bear to the Prvi Partizen 55SP. I know the Prvi is more but..
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I don't usually do a head to head comparison, but I can test the PPU. I'll see if I can find some.
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 10:27:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild:
Ahhhh, shouldn't this be in Ammunition? Trying to understand why this is in General. Is it due to being part of the Ar15 YouTube channel? 
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Go away son, you bother me.



W.C. Fields
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 11:26:28 AM EDT
Makes sense. I can just watch both videos.
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 12:46:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 1:37:18 PM EDT
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never mind...
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 1:43:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:


Hollow point, not soft.
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My mistake. I misread. No, I haven't. It will most likely not frag or expand.
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 2:13:09 PM EDT
and you keep the name buddyfucker?

that's nice.
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 2:46:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skillshot:
and you keep the name buddyfucker?

that's nice.
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Where the hell did that come from?
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