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Posted: 7/20/2008 7:10:20 AM EDT
Finally Europe begins to speak. And not just any European country but Great Broitain.





Britain's Brown demands end to Israel settlement, pledges money to Palestinians.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown demanded Sunday that Israel cease settlement construction and promised more money to jump-start the battered Palestinian economy.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, right, walks out with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas after...
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, right, walks out with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas after their press conference in the West Bank town of Bethlehem, Sunday July 20, 2008. Brown is on a two-day official visit to Israel and the Palestinian Territories. (AP Photo/Tara Todras-Whitehill)
(AP)In his first trip to Israel and the Palestinian territories as Britain's leader, Brown repeatedly stressed that economics are key to Mideast peace, and said Israel should ease travel restrictions in the West Bank that have hindered commerce.

But his strongest comments were reserved for the settlements: "I think the whole European Union is very clear on this matter: We want to see a freeze on settlements."

"Settlement expansion has made peace harder to achieve. It erodes trust, it heightens Palestinian suffering, it makes the compromises Israel needs to make for peace more difficult," Brown said at a news conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank town of Bethlehem.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said he would reserve comment on Brown's remarks until the British leader meets with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem later Sunday.

Abbas went further in his criticism of Israel's construction in disputed east Jerusalem and the adjacent West Bank, telling Brown that Israel lacks commitment to the "principles and spirit" of Mideast peace efforts. He singled out stepped-up construction of homes for Jews in areas of Jerusalem the Palestinians claim for their capital.


Israel and the Palestinians resumed peace talks late last year at a U.S.-backed conference in Annapolis, Md. Both sides had originally aspired to reach a final peace deal by the end of the year, but have backed away from that goal somewhat because of arguments over settlements and whether the Palestinians are capable of enforcing security in areas they control.

Under the first phase of the internationally backed "road map" peace plan, which forms the basis of the negotiations, Israel was to freeze all settlement construction and the Palestinians were to crack down on militant groups.

The international community is trying to bolster Abbas' moderate government, and Brown said Britain would donate $60 million on top of $500 million the British government has pledged to the Palestinians over the next three years. He spoke of the need to create jobs by building industrial parks, promoting small businesses and putting up desperately needed housing. He announced plans to host an international investment conference for the Palestinians in the fall, and promised to help the Palestinians train their security forces.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, left, talks with Israeli President Shimon Peresduring their...
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, left, talks with Israeli President Shimon Peresduring their meeting at the President's residence in Jerusalem, Sunday, July 20, 2008. Brown is on an two-day official visit to Israel and the Palestinian Territories. (AP Photo/David silverman, Pool)
(AP)Peace efforts are also complicated by the fact that the Gaza Strip is ruled by militants from Hamas. Ismail Haniyeh, who heads the Hamas government in Gaza, said Sunday that Brown should visit Gaza to see the "humanitarian crisis" caused by Israel's blockade of the territory, "unfortunately with the participation of several countries, including European countries and the British themselves."

Israel imposed a partial blockade on Gaza in response to rocket fire from the territory on southern Israel. A cease-fire currently in effect has decreased the rocket fire and has led Israel to increase the trickle of goods entering Gaza.


Brown's two-day visit to the region has been overshadowed by a claim from a Shiite militia holding five British hostages in Iraq that one of the captives killed himself.

The British leader arrived in the region after visiting Iraq, where he met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and discussed the plight of the British hostages kidnapped by a Shiite group a year ago. Shortly after his departure, he called the report that one of the men had committed suicide "a very distressing development" and demanded that the Shiite militia "immediately and unconditionally" release the Britons.

The British government has yet to authenticate the group's claim




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Brown repeatedly stressed that economics are key to Mideast peace


And long have I agreed.

Maybe............just maybe, the EU is about to step in bring order to this mess.

5sub
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:26:37 AM EDT
And in other news, I hereby demand that Britain give up any claim to the Falkland Islands. They are not rightfully English property.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:28:44 AM EDT
There will NEVER be peace in the Middle East or Israel. Browns just an ignorant appeasing twit who can't understand that they don't want peace, they want to destroy Israel. Hopefully Britain itself falls before Israel so Brown can see the folly of his ways.

[No I don't wish to see them fall, just that the Govt. is full off brainless twits who are cowards]
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:35:16 AM EDT
The U.K is a great ally, but they are so irrelevant to this issue it's not even funny.

Brown is pandering to his own muslim population. It's like appeasing a crocodile with the hopes that he will eat you last.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:59:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:
The U.K is a great ally, but they are so irrelevant to this issue it's not even funny.

Brown is pandering to his own muslim population. It's like appeasing a crocodile with the hopes that he will eat you last.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:16:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:22:42 AM EDT
WHY OH WHY, do we have such a useless Government?, not to mention every equally useless alternative.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 12:13:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fxntime:

There will NEVER be peace in the Middle East or Israel.



Certainly Israel believes they cannot afford peace.

Socialism is expensive and Israel cannot afford Socialism without war or continual threat of war.

Israel is a 'beggar' nation. Israel begs in the US via TV commercials and billboards. No war or threats of war and the bucks stop.

5sub
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:21:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Israel is a 'beggar' nation. Israel begs in the US via TV commercials and billboards. No war or threats of war and the bucks stop.

5sub



I think it is a safe bet that the "bucks" will be given to Israel for a long, long time.

That is unless they refuse to take the "bucks" which I do not see happening in the near future.

I have never seen these commercials and billboards you speak of, perhaps you could post an example?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:26:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 1:46:14 PM EDT by vito113]
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Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:28:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 1:48:08 PM EDT by vito113]
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Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:39:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Israel is a 'beggar' nation. Israel begs in the US via TV commercials and billboards. No war or threats of war and the bucks stop.

5sub



I think it is a safe bet that the "bucks" will be given to Israel for a long, long time.

That is unless they refuse to take the "bucks" which I do not see happening in the near future.

I have never seen these commercials and billboards you speak of, perhaps you could post an example?


Count me in on that request.

I've read some screwed-up posts, but this one takes the prize...
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:17:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Israel is a 'beggar' nation. Israel begs in the US via TV commercials and billboards. No war or threats of war and the bucks stop.

5sub



I think it is a safe bet that the "bucks" will be given to Israel for a long, long time.

That is unless they refuse to take the "bucks" which I do not see happening in the near future.

I have never seen these commercials and billboards you speak of, perhaps you could post an example?




the billboards are in the North East but I've seen the TV commercials right here in Oklahoma City. Israel only buys TV time when things are tense. Soooooo, Israel must keep things tense.......either continual war or continual threats of war.

I find it odd that we cannot afford cradle-to-grave health care for our own US citizens but give billions to Israel to pay for their Socialism. But then God has not required that I be a fundamentalist Christian leaving my way open to care about my own country.....The USA.

5sub
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:18:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Patriot54:

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Israel is a 'beggar' nation. Israel begs in the US via TV commercials and billboards. No war or threats of war and the bucks stop.

5sub



I think it is a safe bet that the "bucks" will be given to Israel for a long, long time.

That is unless they refuse to take the "bucks" which I do not see happening in the near future.

I have never seen these commercials and billboards you speak of, perhaps you could post an example?


Count me in on that request.

I've read some screwed-up posts, but this one takes the prize...




I've read some screwed-up posts, but this one takes the prize...



Gee thanks !!

5sub
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 4:10:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
the billboards are in the North East but I've seen the TV commercials right here in Oklahoma City. Israel only buys TV time when things are tense. Soooooo, Israel must keep things tense.......either continual war or continual threats of war.

I find it odd that we cannot afford cradle-to-grave health care for our own US citizens but give billions to Israel to pay for their Socialism. But then God has not required that I be a fundamentalist Christian leaving my way open to care about my own country.....The USA.

5sub


My wife has a brother in Ponca City, a sister in Norman and her mother is in Edmond. My wife is going to visit for a week so perhaps she can check it out.

The pittance the U.S. "gives" Israel in no way keeps it from providing health care for the American people.

I often wonder what color the sky is in your world.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 8:55:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
the billboards are in the North East but I've seen the TV commercials right here in Oklahoma City. Israel only buys TV time when things are tense. Soooooo, Israel must keep things tense.......either continual war or continual threats of war.

I find it odd that we cannot afford cradle-to-grave health care for our own US citizens but give billions to Israel to pay for their Socialism. But then God has not required that I be a fundamentalist Christian leaving my way open to care about my own country.....The USA.

5sub


My wife has a brother in Ponca City, a sister in Norman and her mother is in Edmond. My wife is going to visit for a week so perhaps she can check it out.

The pittance the U.S. "gives" Israel in no way keeps it from providing health care for the American people.

I often wonder what color the sky is in your world.


Today my sky is brilliant blue with temperatures of 100 F expected!!

5sub

My position is simple. I view the STATE of Israel as an enemy of my country.......the USA. I view the STATE of Iran as an enemy of my country.....the USA.

I DO NOT view the PEOPLE of Israel OR Iran as my enemy.

In general, I view religious fundamentalists as demented. What mind, other than a mind demented, wants to turn a country with 60,000,000 people into a glass parking lot ?? (And thinking practically, who will use that parking lot made of glass ?? Can you even get insurance to cover your vehicle if parked on glass ?? Who will work in those parking lots of glass ?? Gonna be pretty hot and there are not nearly enough Mexicans to go around as it is. Just makes no sense to me. But then, I'm not a religious fundamentalist.........THANK GOD !!)

Demented fundamentalist Christians and the 'Rapture Doctrine'. I have tried to point out many times these fools are ready to fight to the last Israeli. I am not.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 10:45:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 5:29:59 AM EDT by vito113]

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
the billboards are in the North East but I've seen the TV commercials right here in Oklahoma City. Israel only buys TV time when things are tense. Soooooo, Israel must keep things tense.......either continual war or continual threats of war.

I find it odd that we cannot afford cradle-to-grave health care for our own US citizens but give billions to Israel to pay for their Socialism. But then God has not required that I be a fundamentalist Christian leaving my way open to care about my own country.....The USA.

5sub


My wife has a brother in Ponca City, a sister in Norman and her mother is in Edmond. My wife is going to visit for a week so perhaps she can check it out.

The pittance the U.S. "gives" Israel in no way keeps it from providing health care for the American people.

I often wonder what color the sky is in your world.


Today my sky is brilliant blue with temperatures of 100 F expected!!

5sub

My position is simple. I view the STATE of Israel as an enemy of my country.......the USA. I view the STATE of Iran as an enemy of my country.....the USA.

I DO NOT view the PEOPLE of Israel OR Iran as my enemy.

In general, I view religious fundamentalists as demented. What mind, other than a mind demented, wants to turn a country with 60,000,000 people into a glass parking lot ?? (And thinking practically, who will use that parking lot made of glass ?? Can you even get insurance to cover your vehicle if parked on glass ?? Who will work in those parking lots of glass ?? Gonna be pretty hot and there are not nearly enough Mexicans to go around as it is. Just makes no sense to me. But then, I'm not a religious fundamentalist.........THANK GOD !!)

Demented fundamentalist Christians and the 'Rapture Doctrine'. I have tried to point out many times these fools are ready to fight to the last Israeli. I am not.



Thinking Jews fear them too…


"………Those who call themselves Christian Zionists in this era do not simply PRAY for the return of the Christian Messiah. They have lobbied our government to actualize and hasten Armageddon, that prophesied battle that will presage the coming of the Messiah.

And they do it through their agitating for war with Iran………"

With friends like these… Why I can't support teh Christian Zionists


Link Posted: 7/21/2008 8:41:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:



You two are so cute when you are "spooning" in these "I hate Israel/I love Iran threads.
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