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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:51:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 9:53:20 AM EDT by captainpooby]
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:52:44 AM EDT
Oh shit. Something is up.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:53:42 AM EDT
Yeah, for what, 3 weeks after the hurricane, in the affected areas only?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:53:54 AM EDT
does this mean $1.00 gas
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 9:55:24 AM EDT by Belfry_Express]
basicly, this is to make refining easier, take out alot of the processes and speed produciton

think of it as a poor man's way to up production

depending on how badly damaged our costal refineries were hit, this could go on while they make repairs so our economy doesnt tank
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:38 AM EDT
I hope this doesn't mean it will be OK to burn old tires in the NE this winter instead of natural gas/heating oil. I don't own any shares of Used Tires.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:
does this mean $1.00 gas


No. It means we can still GET gas and diesel.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gaspain:
Oh shit. Something is up.



Yeah, like a serious shortage due to a hurricane that was Monday's News.

What else are you expecting? This should have been done LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG ago!
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:
does this mean $1.00 gas



That would be alot better than the $3.39/ gal I saw this morning.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:59 AM EDT
Waive the bloody taxes too.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:55:40 AM EDT
Does this mean crappy gas?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:55:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:56:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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BigDozer66
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:56:21 AM EDT
only makes sense.
worrying about gun laws in a SHTF would be ridiculous
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:56:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 9:58:35 AM EDT by TheCynic]

Originally Posted By macman37:
Yeah, for what, 3 weeks after the hurricane, in the affected areas only?



Yeah:



In addition to the reserve release, the Environmental Protection Agency announced it would temporarily allow the sale of higher-polluting gasoline in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi because those states can't provide enough fuel to consumers that meets Clean Air Act (search) requirements.



eta: I can't see how this will affect the rest of
the country at all.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



No, but what is crappy gas? Where in the country do they sell that?

What this means, is no 'boutique fuel' requirements, meaning a more competitive market.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?


hope not
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Beat you by 33 seconds!
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:54 AM EDT
Here's one more for the count to help it live! Actually I just called and got the pay off on the wrangler. Time to go to the honda dealership.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:59:24 AM EDT
What a coincidence, Rush was just talking about this in his first hour today. Glad to hear that W is listening.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:59:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Link Posted: 8/31/2005 9:59:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



No, but what is crappy gas? Where in the country do they sell that?

What this means, is no 'boutique fuel' requirements, meaning a more competitive market.



I meant as in too much sulphur. Wasnt there a problem not too long ago with some companies selling poorly refined gas that had too much sulphur? Oterh impurities that can cause problems are going to be bypassed? Thats what I am worried about. If thats the case, I would rather spend the extra .04 on the good stuff.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:14 AM EDT
would that effect the emission controls on the vehicals?
will it mess with the computer since it isn't burning cleaner?
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:23 AM EDT
This is certainly an interesting development.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By napalm:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:
does this mean $1.00 gas



Or 3.99 gas and lower production costs for Big Oil.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:01:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By napalm:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:03:22 AM EDT
They are relaxing trucker sleeping rules also. Trying to get supplies there quicker.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:09:38 AM EDT
ok... shit happens and prices rise within hours...


now this happens..

how many months before we see affects..?

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:10:07 AM EDT
I think this means more profits for CEO's and shareholders to keep the economy strong
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:11:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By napalm:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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STFU, forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/dupe.gif. You are contributing to the decline of this once-fine site.




He did it the right way, he posted a link that way maybe a mod will see it and move it. Its the dupe zombies that never post a link that are irritating. Roboman is well trained in the ways of duping. We have much to learn from him.



I am a well-versed practitioner of the Duping Arts.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:16:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hanau:
would that effect the emission controls on the vehicals?
will it mess with the computer since it isn't burning cleaner?



I don't think that there is gas anywhere in the US that is going to screw up a vehicle sold in the US. Vehicles are usually designed to run well on gas with the lowest quality legally sold. A high performance or 'tuner' car can have adjustments made to the compression ratio and timing that require better quality gas for maximum performance. I should note that better quality and higher octane are NOT the same thing. Higher octane is used in higher compression engines to reduce or eliminate spark knock for the most part. Higher octane doesn't translate into better fuel. Some companies add Ethanol to their high octane AND low octane gas, and thus both grades are inferior to straight 85/87/89/91/93 gasoline.

Sulfer levels in gas will cause more sulfer emissions. Depending on your point of view, this is either a problem or not. Many big cities demand their own blend to appease the environmentalists. These unique blends make the market for gas in downtown Chicago resemble a specialty store, compared to towns 100 miles away in any direction.

Standardizing fuel to less than 5 formulations would really free up the market to function as it should. More competition in the gas industry would result in better prices for consumers.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:17:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



No, but what is crappy gas? Where in the country do they sell that?

What this means, is no 'boutique fuel' requirements, meaning a more competitive market.


Exactly. Temporarily waiving the boutique requirements means that available refined fuel can be used anywhere, mitigating some of the current price spike.

The "boutique fuel" requirements need to be done away with permanently if we are ever to be free of twice-yearly gasoline price spikes and return to some kind of normalcy in a free market for fuel.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:26:50 AM EDT
Uh oh, I just thought of something. The treehuggers will freak when they hear this. "It's all Bush's fault!!!" and all that.

Oh wait, I don't care what they say!
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:27:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By napalm:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Volatility and sulphur standards are being waved for gasoline until 15 September.



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STFU, forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/dupe.gif. You are contributing to the decline of this once-fine site.




He did it the right way, he posted a link that way maybe a mod will see it and move it. Its the dupe zombies that never post a link that are irritating. Roboman is well trained in the ways of duping. We have much to learn from him.



I am a well-versed practitioner of the Duping Arts.





Nope, all dupe-calling is bad according to some.


Bad, bad, bad. Let the dupes live.




In case you couldn't tell, that's all sarcasm.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:28:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



No, but what is crappy gas? Where in the country do they sell that?

What this means, is no 'boutique fuel' requirements, meaning a more competitive market.



I meant as in too much sulphur. Wasnt there a problem not too long ago with some companies selling poorly refined gas that had too much sulphur? Oterh impurities that can cause problems are going to be bypassed? Thats what I am worried about. If thats the case, I would rather spend the extra .04 on the good stuff.




The sulfur standards being relaxed are only for diesel. 200 PPM was the old limit. No, it will NOT cause damage. In fact, the sulfur is actually GOOD for injectors and pumps.

RVP (Reid vapor pressure) standards for gasoline are the MAJOR hurdle for summer gasoline. In all cars made since 1980's, this is NOT a pollution issue except at filling time. All modern cars utilize vapor recovery systems.

I'd imagine the slight reduction in driving from increased fuel costs is going to have a greater positive impact on the air quality than the temporary relaxation of the fuel standards hurts air quality. Damn fine experiment. Hopefully the results will gut these INEFFECTIVE regulations in the Clean Air Act.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:29:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
I think this means more profits for CEO's and shareholders to keep the economy strong



foad
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:32:43 AM EDT
The standards were waived for the other 46 states just a few minutes ago.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:33:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/31/2005 10:34:06 AM EDT by Gamma762]

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
<snip> Hopefully the results will gut these INEFFECTIVE regulations in the Clean Air Act.


I disagree... I think the regulations are doing exactly what they were intended to do - disrupt the free market in fuel and create both an overall rise in prices, disrupt supply, and create cyclical price spikes. You are correct in that they are ineffective at making any real difference in pollution.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:35:42 AM EDT
This was in the "Oil Storm" movie
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:37:36 AM EDT
Sounds like the President is on top of things.

Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:38:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mtchristman:
They are relaxing trucker sleeping rules also. Trying to get supplies there quicker.



So far no word.

As far as I am going to run. I will be placing the FEMA signs on my truck and that helps keeping the DOT off of our butts. Most of the time I won't even hit the weight stations. Since I run a 1 ton truck that helps. Big trucks are another story.

My log book will be a huge joke for the next few months.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:40:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



It should ruin your vehicle's emissions system, overloading it with sulfer
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:43:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Chaingun:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



It should ruin your vehicle's emissions system, overloading it with sulfer



Only if you try to run it in a post 2006 diesel engine...and then only a few of the smaller diesels, like the Jeep Liberty and most VW disesls built after that date.

SulfUr standards have only been exempted for DIESEL.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:45:48 AM EDT
Maybe this latest disaster will finally get the econazis to let us build some new refineries. This whole gas crunch would be a nonissue if there were enough refineries around so that the ones in unaffected areas could just "pick up the slack".

Mark my words, at $4/gal (what, two months maybe), you're going to see some serious recalibration of the way this country deals with gasoline.
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:50:28 AM EDT
Now they need to wave the tax
Link Posted: 8/31/2005 10:55:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Does this mean crappy gas?



No, it means that they don't have to have 25 different blends for 25 different cities. It's a damn good thing.

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