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Posted: 8/30/2005 5:50:08 PM EDT
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i would love to know who was responsible for maintaining the things. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 5:50:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Its filling in like a giant fish bowl, and will continue to unless the core has something up their sleeves.
 If you choose to tempt fate and mother nature, you must learn to accept the consequences |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 5:54:22 PM EDT
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Don't the pumps feed water to Lake Ponchartrain which is now flowing freely back into New Orleans?
I think Joseph Heller had a pretty good handle on the issue. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 5:58:42 PM EDT
[#4]
why dont they just pull the giant drain plug that is in the middle of the city?
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:00:12 PM EDT
[#5]
Almost time to just pull out of NO and let it go. That land was not made to be a city.
Matt |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:02:09 PM EDT
[#6]
probably the same guys who are breaking into jewlry stores. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:03:59 PM EDT
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Will the pumps make any difference one way or the other? There's no way they can pump water out faster than it can flow in though the levee breaches. Until the levees are repaired, the pumps might as well not even be there.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:04:38 PM EDT
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You just hit the nail on the head. Pump house #6 was keeping up with the levee break gallon for gallon, now that it had failed they expect the east side of the city to flood up to 9' of water over the next 8-12hrs. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:06:23 PM EDT
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According to their live internet news broadcasts, the pumps are underwater even before the levee breaks, so they are of no use at the moment.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:08:34 PM EDT
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Only so many pumping stations and they have no power so they are probably not able to even run all the pumps on back-up generators which isn't enough to keep up if a levee went.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:09:05 PM EDT
[#11]
I think it's safe to say we just had our 100 year storm.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:09:25 PM EDT
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Umm that's the CORPS of Engineers there sport, not the CORE. 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:12:41 PM EDT
[#13]
If they get the city pumped out in a month or two, which I doubt will happen, there won't be much left to come back to.
What's left of NOLA will be picked clean. They're going to need a landfill the size of New Orleans just to dump the trash and toxic waste. May as well build a mound over the city and start over. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:16:13 PM EDT
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It's just starting to sink into me what's happening in that city, I'm so far away it's hard to grasp.
Is what you guys speak of true? Start all over? It's that bad? |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:17:19 PM EDT
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The pumps never were on the grid. They have allways run on generators but that's not the point. The problem is, the pumps, if they are working, are pumping the water right back where it came from. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:18:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Yes. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:22:33 PM EDT
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They need to start trucking in dirt, garbage, and concrete and the empty trucks can take people out. Build a huge ass land fill. Think long term.
Bob |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:23:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Yes, now would be a good idea to move the city to another location where they don't have to have pumps running 24/7 to keep the city from flooding. The US goverment has over the last few years forced lots of people to move from floodplains elswhere in the Mississippi River drainage. We should treat the city the same. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:25:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Simply amazing.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:35:17 PM EDT
[#20]
I want to live:
Below sea level... In a flood plain... In tornado ally... Where hurricanes go... Where mud slides happen... On a major fault line.... Where there is no water... In the mountains next to the large brush piles we call national forests... |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:36:23 PM EDT
[#21]
Poseidon claims emminent domain on NO. Time for them to move.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:41:57 PM EDT
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Hmmm. Pretty difficult to move an entire historic city.
Maybe they can try more redundancy in the levees. Right now when one goes the whole section of the city will be flooded. If they had, say, 20 block regions, each with its own flood wall and pumping station, if one levee went others might retain integrity. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:44:31 PM EDT
[#23]
Reminds me of Grand Forks, ND back in 1997.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:46:52 PM EDT
[#24]
The WHO ???  Noah Webster ownz joo 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:47:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Not that hard. Already happpened once, this week alone. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:52:22 PM EDT
[#26]
Several of the news reports I saw mentioned that the pumps would become inoperative as soon as their electric power failed - which implies that they operate off some sort of power grid. If the rest of the pump stations aren't located on any higher ground than the one they have been showing on TV, it may be a moot point anyway. Bottom Line: The pumps were installed as protection against this kind of emergency. They didn't do their job. Somebody f*cked up. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:53:16 PM EDT
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They had a plan that was presented, building a wall 28 foot high encompassing the entire city, they ex-ed the plan, too much money and the politicians said the city has lasted 200+ years without a wall. Wonder if they're kicking themselves over that one?  One of the state senators just came on Joe Scarborough and said the flooding problem is over-hyped, it's not as bad as everyone is portraying it. He said that Corps will go into tomorrow and probably plug the holes without anymore flooding. If the pumps have failed now..then all bets are off even they do plug it, the water cannot sit for any amount of time without having a disasterous residual of problems. Just the cleaning of the city will take months after they pump it out. Anyone who lived there before will not be able to return to anything they did not own. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 6:59:37 PM EDT
[#28]
You forgot: Right next to the ocean. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:02:39 PM EDT
[#29]
Of course not. A goodly percentage of people here are ALREADY advocating tax dollars to bail out the city and the pols. 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:14:34 PM EDT
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The Mayor is on CNN (moron) and he said they have an apartment complex that collapsed and is under water, he fears they will be dozens of dead citizens there.
Asked if he had a grip on that part of the situation (dead people) and he snickered/low laughed and said they have alot of things that are taking precedent over that right now. Said it may be 8 weeks plus another 4weeks before NOLA is back on it's feet and tourism can continue??  What kind of idiot would make a statement like that? WTH? 12 weeks and Bourbon street will open? Uhhhhh...it's been over a year since Ivan hit here and there places that are still not inhabited or re-built. What the hell is he smoking? He has no grasp on the situation...what a moron. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:17:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Breaking: Pumps failing in New Orleans
They better go to the semi-autos then. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:18:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Ahhh yes..just like ISRAEL...a large wall.....ummm tell me more of this various walls blocking out sections of the community..... |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:20:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Damn, I sure hope so. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:21:20 PM EDT
[#34]
Where are getting that info? Not questioning, just wondering. MSNBC said it was'nt true. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:23:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Sweet mother of baseball... that is the most retarded comment I've read all day. Walls to keep out a flood has nothing to do with keeping out Palestinians. The two aren't even remotely similarity. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:24:40 PM EDT
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Doesn't matter. By mornign it will be Bush's fault |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:24:53 PM EDT
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Its toast. Here's hoping we learned our lesson.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:25:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Morning? How about today. service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372179,00.html |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:25:47 PM EDT
[#39]
+1. I'd rather have the water... |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:31:48 PM EDT
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Under The Sea (from Disney's The Little Mermaid)
The seaweed is always greener In somebody else's lake You dream about going up there But that is a big mistake Just look at the world around you Right here on the ocean floor Such wonderful things surround you What more is you lookin' for? Under the sea Under the sea Darling it's better Down where it's wetter Take it from me Up on the shore they work all day Out in the sun they slave away While we devotin' Full time to floatin' Under the sea Down here all the fish is happy As off through the waves they roll The fish on the land ain't happy They sad 'cause they in their bowl But fish in the bowl is lucky They in for a worser fate One day when the boss get hungry Guess who's gon' be on the plate Under the sea Under the sea Nobody beat us Fry us and eat us In fricassee We what the land folks loves to cook Under the sea we off the hook We got no troubles Life is the bubbles Under the sea Under the sea Since life is sweet here We got the beat here Naturally Even the sturgeon an' the ray They get the urge 'n' start to play We got the spirit You got to hear it Under the sea The newt play the flute The carp play the harp The plaice play the bass And they soundin' sharp The bass play the brass The chub play the tub The fluke is the duke of soul (Yeah) The ray he can play The lings on the strings The trout rockin' out The blackfish she sings The smelt and the sprat They know where it's at An' oh that blowfish blow Under the sea Under the sea When the sardine Begin the beguine It's music to me What do they got? A lot of sand We got a hot crustacean band Each little clam here know how to jam here Under the sea Each little slug here Cuttin' a rug here Under the sea Each little snail here Know how to wail here That's why it's hotter Under the water Ya we in luck here Down in the muck here Under the sea |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:42:36 PM EDT
[#41]
* Disaster Haiku *
.gov say "pump failures" might be hiding something Y2K |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:46:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Blame the French.
After all, they WERE dumb enough to build a city far, far below sea level. I say, let it flood. And anybody who tries to climb out better have nothing with him but the clothes on his back. Anyone trying to haul loot with him gets shot and his body goes back in the water. But I'm an evil asshole who hates looters with a passion and wants them all DEAD. CJ |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:48:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Typo fixed. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 7:53:48 PM EDT
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They didn't "build" the city below sea level. The city sunk below sea level after hundreds of years of flood control on the lower delta os the Mississippi. These river systems have natural levees, the French bolstered these along a bend in the river that was a good, strategic point. Remember, this was back in the days of Napoleon, when the French had an idea of military prowess. Now to geology. The sediments that made this delta, like any other sediments, compact. It takes time but it happens. Every year, the river rises and then the river floods the area, more sediment is deposited and when the river falls, voila, new, higher land. But the levees that were augmented prevented this depositation every year for hundreds of years. And then some people drilled water wells, furthering subsidence. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:01:42 PM EDT
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No, WG was talking about how long it was going to take to clean up. We'll have another storm like this in September. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:06:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Exactly. Hurricane season is just starting.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:34:32 PM EDT
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NOAA estimates 11-14 more tropical storms to come this season, of which 6 are likely to become hurricanes of some strength. This promises to be a difficult year for those living on the seacoast. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:22:43 PM EDT
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This was as told by the Governor on CNN just before i posted it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:38:45 PM EDT
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The levees back home in Wilkes-Barre are at 40 feet. Us Wyoming Valley people may not drink like those folks in NOLA, but apparently we figured out how to keep a river out. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:40:22 PM EDT
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Pumps now Tango Uniform. Two levees gone and one failing. ArmyCoE trying to fix problem. Over 80% of NO under water and continues to rise. Not looking good. This from the AP wire.
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